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A man who is destroying his country is not a Patriot! He is a Traitor and criminal! It also shows why an old, tired John McCain doesn't have enough of the Right Stuff left, after his time in a North Vietnamese POW camp, to have been a good President.

A man who turns a memorial service into a campaign event...louse.

You wanna see a presidential memorial you tube Reagans space shuttel address. That's how these situations should be handled!

Traitor? Don't see how.

Criminal? Certainly. Every president is.

And McCain seems to get dumber and more phony every time he opens his mouth.

It's funny.

I am reading GW Bush's book, "Decision Points". He talks about the election between Clinton and Dole ..... and how it really became the older generation against the younger generation ..... and the younger generation won.

The GOP didn't learn from that in this last election, and ran another older guy. He looked less energetic than Obama ...... older, but not more capable ....... and didn't appeal to most of the younger/middle age votes. He wasn't "them", he was "one of those old guys".

I'm tired of polarizing political rhetoric. Anyone else feeling the same?

I'm not sure how you can not call any president a patriot. He loves his country and is trying to do what he thinks is right. That = patriot to me.

about the only intelligent thing that's come out of his mouth since he lost 2 years ago

I heard from John McCain the words of someone who actually thought about what he wanted to express to the country, and did so in a considered, temperate manner.

For some living among us, thoughtfulness and temperance has no place in the wy they choose to see things. In their cases, only harsh words, angry inflammatory rhetoric and and a sense of "we vs. they" seem to have any resonance whatsoever. In other words: "if you're not fer me, you're agin me." From the tone of your post, I'm assuming you are one such person.

That mindset seems incredibly closed and stunted to me.

One of my favorite long-time posters on here is Ballpeen, who has as his signature: "If everyone had like minds, we would never learn." I find that sentiment tremendously appropriate for this thread at this time. 'Peen and I have found ourselves at opposite ends of many subjects over the years: left/right political ideology, race issues, and several more, but I will say this: he always treated me with respect and I always sought to do the same with him. As a result, he and I have challenged each other many times... and many's the time he made me think about not only my position, but my reasons for having it. I'm glad that we've had our open exchange of ideas, even though we've differed in our P.O.V.'s... and I've never once accused him of being "anti-American" (...whatever that stupid phrase is supposed tomean....) nor has he ever done so to me.

That isn't an enemy or rival, my friend... that's a mindful individual who deserves my consideration. It should also be noted that he and I are fellow countrymen living in a societal construct that allows for us to see things differently without hating one another. It is my hope that some day, I'll be able to share a table with 'Peen and get to know the man a little- face-to-face. In many conversations, 'Peen and I have been lockstep in our opinions about certain subjects, and that has helped me to see him in a more complete way. If my [few] disagreements with him had caused me to discount him here on the boards, I'd never have been able to see the many issues in which we see things eye-to-eye.... and I'd have missed an opportunity to see a clearer picture of the man I've grown to respect.

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So you see... where you discount John McCain's approval of Barack Obama as a loyal American of differing ideals, I see a man who is able to see past his ideological differences, and speak his mind about the man he has come to know through years of mutual service to our country. I suspect that the President would have similar things to say about the Senator from Arizona.



It pains me to see such vitriol spewed at "the other side" in our ongoing political evolution. In my humble opinion, the simple act of calling a standing president- ANY president a "traitor" represents the height of hubris... and has no place in a legitimate political discussion.... but that's just me.



No President of the United States of America has had as his goal the dismantling of this nation... not now, or at any time in the past.

The country is not being destroyed. Its future is being debated in the halls of congress, meeting halls across America, and in living rooms and on chat boards every day. The American concept of free exchange is alive and well. And because it is, America is in no danger of extinction.

The standing POTUS is not your mortal enemy simply because he espouses a political view different from your own. Reagan, Nixon and Bush 41/43 weren't enemies of America any more than Roosevelt, Kennedy, Clinton or Obama were. To think otherwise is just plain stupid. It's time to mature past the age of fourteen in your way of thinking.

John McCain is not feeble just because he said something complimentary about a man you (so obviously) hate. It's entirely possible that YOU may be wrong... but from the tone of your post, I'd have to conclude that there's no room in your mindset to even allow for that possibility.

ROAD DAWG TEXAS: the world is a much more nuanced and layered place than you seem to grasp. It also happens to be populated with others who can see that. The fact that John McCain and you see this issue differently makes me like and trust John McCain that much more.

I see nothing wrong with his comments... and the fact that you felt the need to generate a post denigrating him AND the standing POTUS tells us more about you than the people outlined in your post....

...but I could be wrong, too.

Good day to you.

I think this is over the line, out of line, and disrespectful. I wish these types of sentiment concerning character assassination and personal attacks could be outlawed. This was a time for grief. Whether it was stirred up by this kind of onging attack is open to discussion and debate. But at whatever level it has harm.
It seeks and serves no other purpose. I think whether you like the officeholder or not, the office itself deserves some respect. This is misguided IMO; is there a point at which you will have committed enough damage? I ask because I see no positive purpose beyond the post than to hear/see yourself. I honestly would like to know what kind of personal need drives this type of declaration. I tis not for me, thanks. Maybe you could so something positive instead.

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Three things in your post tell me everything I need to know about whether anything you write will be intelligent:

1. Texas.

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And that quote tells me ALOT about yours.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Your post borders ignorant racism Buddha.

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Your post borders ignorant racism Buddha.

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And Road Dawg's doesn't? Seriously?........

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I'm confused..Where is the racism?

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What racism?

Which was the point... RD Texas made a comment about Obama ....and Buddha, in an attempt to make him look stupid, said he knew the things he said would be stupid because he's from Texas.... which is, in itself, stupid... oh the irony.

Yeah, that comment about Texas was incredibly naive. But so was OP's post. We'll call it a wash.

Except I lived in Texas most my life.

On second though, that doesn't matter. I was just taking a shot that was uncalled for.

And the Texas part was a joke.

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No President of the United States of America has had as his goal the dismantling of this nation... not now, or at any time in the past.

The country is not being destroyed.

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Well I guess that depends upon what your vision of what this country is supposed to be. If you have a vision that is very fundamentalist that is similar to what many of the founders (but not all) had......then the last few administrations(well far more than the last few) and especially the current one are definitely destroying THAT country. Obama's vision of America is definitely not the same as the vision of America the Founders had. The Founders envisioned Strong State Governements with a Federal Government that kind of helped to keep things together. Obama and Bush and for the most part many of the Presidents before them envision the overpowering Federal Government in controling the State Governments. Not to mention the Founders would PUKE over the social engineering that has been going on in this country.(Engineered by BOTH sides of the aisle)

Oh and just an aside....I find it funny you mention Kennedy in the same line as Obama and Roosevelt, and Clinton.......Although a Democrat....He would be appalled at the policies of the Democrats today....not sure he would be a Repub...but I bet he would at least be an Independant....lol

Oh I don't paint them as saints either....But while it may be true that they did exclude some citizens...It is known fact that many of them did not want to do so but only did so in consolation to bring all the states together to unite against England.

My point is that if your vision of America completely conflicts with the vision of America of the sitting President....then He is in fact destroying your country.

Or maybe Textans? Still looking for racism . . . . I support the Presidency of the USA. May not like all the policies, but more Americans First for all classes from independents and both parties is what I expect. Produce for Americans, not special interests, and for every group in reasonable fashion. Make something good happen.

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Well I guess that depends upon what your vision of what this country is supposed to be. If you have a vision that is very fundamentalist that is similar to what many of the founders (but not all) had......then the last few administrations(well far more than the last few) and especially the current one are definitely destroying THAT country.

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Pete.. suggesting you know what our founding fathers envisioned...did the founding fathers envision...

....50 states?

.... a country of 310 million people?

...did they envision a congress of 100 senators and 435 representatives?

Claiming to know how our found fathers would envision the USA "today" is like comparing apples and oranges.

Today, claiming that the President is destroying this country is "crazy".

I could play the same game, putting the shoe on the "right" foot...but I won't.

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The Founding Fathers also excluded citizens from having the same rights as other Americans. They believed in a dominant White Anglo-Saxon culture which looked to eliminate Native American culture, continue to enslave human beings, and treat women as children. I'm not trying to paint them as villains but most of them aren't the angels or men of respect that many believe them to be.

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I have no problem having total respect for them... I'm sure they had their personal failings but they lived in the time they were born. Had you been born a white man in central Virginia in 1780 (especially a wealthy one) you would have owned slaves and not thought twice about the fact that your wife couldn't vote.... and you would have thought that was perfectly normal... your grandfather would have owned slaves, your father would have owned slaves, your uncles would have owned slaves and your friends families would have owned slaves... it would have been a way of life for you and to think you would have somehow risen above it and seen the bigger picture is EXTREMELY doubtful.

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it would have been a way of life for you and to think you would have somehow risen above it and seen the bigger picture is EXTREMELY doubtful.

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I guess he would not have had a chance to be an abolitionist??..humm