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Other general managers around the NFL expect the Cleveland Browns to hire Bill Musgrave shortly for their offensive coordinator job.
Several teams that are interested in Musgrave, who was the Atlanta Falcons' quarterbacks coach the previous five seasons and their assistant head coach this past year, don't believe they will have a chance to talk to him at this point. Musgrave interviewed in Cleveland on Tuesday.
Musgrave has vast experience in the West Coast offense, which Browns president Mike Holmgren prefers, and has helped several quarterbacks thrive.
Musgrave has served as a quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins (2005) and Oakland Raiders (1997), and he has been an offensive coordinator at several stops, including the Jacksonville Jaguars (2003-04), Carolina Panthers (2000) and Philadelphia Eagles (1998). He also was the offensive coordinator at the University of Virginia for two seasons (2001-02).
New Browns head coach Pat Shurmur will be involved in play-calling, but the team's new offensive coordinator will have some of those duties as well. Quarterback development will be paramount in the job description, with rookie Colt McCoy in the fold.
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Just saw this posted on nfl.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81...or-ocoordinatorObviously it's not official, but it looks like it could be taking place within the next few hours. Article : Other general managers around the NFL expect the Cleveland Browns to hire Bill Musgrave shortly for their offensive coordinator job. Several teams that are interested in Musgrave, who was the Atlanta Falcons' quarterbacks coach the previous five seasons and their assistant head coach this past year, don't believe they will have a chance to talk to him at this point. Musgrave interviewed in Cleveland on Tuesday. Musgrave has vast experience in the West Coast offense, which Browns president Mike Holmgren prefers, and has helped several quarterbacks thrive. Musgrave has served as a quarterbacks coach for the Washington Redskins (2005) and Oakland Raiders (1997), and he has been an offensive coordinator at several stops, including the Jacksonville Jaguars (2003-04), Carolina Panthers (2000) and Philadelphia Eagles (1998). He also was the offensive coordinator at the University of Virginia for two seasons (2001-02). New Browns head coach Pat Shurmur will be involved in play-calling, but the team's new offensive coordinator will have some of those duties as well. Quarterback development will be paramount in the job description, with rookie Colt McCoy in the fold.
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Shurmur and Musgrave are pretty identical in scheme. Small ball, clock controlling scheme which is what I want to see Colt run.
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Not to be a you-know-what but I just posted the exact same article.
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Shurmur and Musgrave are pretty identical in scheme. Small ball, clock controlling scheme which is what I want to see Colt run.
Don't know about you but I'm STOKED to see McCoy and his accuracy runnin' this show...
And I do believe we will go DEFENSE at 6 come April...Green or Jones or No Green or Jones...
The West Coast offense requires sure-handed receivers who are comfortable catching in heavy traffic, and the system downplays speedy, larger receivers who are covered easily in short yardage situation. One result has been the longevity of receivers in the West Coast system such as Jerry Rice, because familiarity with the system and clear signalling is of greater importance than systems that require a receiver to "stretch the field" where any loss of speed is a major liability.
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I agree.
An experienced guy that has run an offense before and he's obviously helped with Matt Ryan's development the last few years.
Also, he is not a Bob LaMonte client as far as I can tell.
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glad to hear this. This will help us get our offense going in the right direction.
question...what WRs that we have will stick? it says less emphasis on bigger WRs...what will become of Carlton Mitchell?
Who will stay?
MoMass
Robo
Cribbs
Stuckey
Mitchell
Norwood...
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Not to be a you-know-what but I just posted the exact same article.
Just wanted to get a second opinion ..
LOL as soon as I posted it you had already done that ... I was just about a minute slow!
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I would have much rather had Greg Knapp but I won't be upset if we end up hiring Musgrave, has done a pretty good job with Matt Ryan.
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Who will stay?
MoMass Stays
Robo Stays
Cribbs Stays
Stuckey 1st victim
Mitchell Stays
Norwood 2nd victim
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I think Cribbs takes a step back @ the WR position, and just does the wildcat. He will be like a 5th WR.
We won't have that typical smaller slot WR this year.. MoMass or Robo will man that if we get AJ Green or Julio Jones.
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So I found the Musgrave/Holmgren connection. All by myself (and Musgrave's wikipedia page).
Musgrave was a backup QB for the 49ers in 1991, 1993-1994. In 1991 Holmgren was the 49ers offensive coordinator.
The 49ers coach at that time was George Seifert. Who then became head coach of the Carolina Panthers in 1999. His QB coach and then offensive coordinator, Bill Musgrave.
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The Wildcat is dead.
ur reason?
It doesn't work anymore.
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The Wildcat is dead.
ur reason?
Maybe because we run it so predictably and it ends up being a momentum killer?
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I actually think Cribbs will excel in the West Coast Offense imo. We can get him in alot more high percentage routes and get him into open space where he excels at. Could be wrong but we'll see I guess.
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It is a gimmick fad and that fad is over.
I think Cribbs is ready to break out as a receiver and this system creates run after catch opportunities. The play in which he was hurt on is a good example of his potential running those quick slants and crossing routes.
The rest it is hard to say how they will do. Mo Mass has a fearlessness going across the middle and that is a big plus for him. Routes and ball recognition have to improve or he will be a 4th or 5th receiver.
Some guys will pick it up quickly some will wash out.
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The Wildcat is dead.
I thought it was a myth, like Bigfoot. You know, we heard all about it, but never really saw it or had proof that it existed.
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If we do go to this "small ball" type of offense, I would be really disappointed if Stuckey was sent packing. I would think he would be a great receiver in this type of offense, no? He's YAC receiver... throw him short passes/ get him in the open and let him make people miss. Wouldn't we want to hang onto a receiver like this?
Looking at it another way, I think we hang onto the WR's that can hang onto the dang ball.
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William Scott Musgrave (born November 11, 1967 in Grand Junction, Colorado) is an American football coach and former quarterback. He is currently the assistant head coach and quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons of the National Football League.
Playing careerA standout athlete at Grand Junction High School, Musgrave was named the Colorado High School Athlete of the Year in 1985. Musgrave started four years for the University of Oregon, and was captain for three. Musgrave led the Ducks to back-to-back bowl appearances for the first time in school history. In 1990, as a Senior, Musgrave was named team MVP, 1990 first-team all-conference quarterback, GTE Academic All-American of the Year, and earned a Scholar-Athlete Award by the National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame. Musgrave was inducted into the school's Hall of Fame in 2000. Musgrave is the team's career leader for passing yardage (8343).
Drafted in the fourth round by the Dallas Cowboys, Musgrave would be released in camp and played with the San Francisco 49ers from 1991-94 under head coach George Seifert and offensive coordinator Mike Shanahan. Musgrave went with Shanahan to Denver in 1995-96, and was released in preseason 1997.
Coaching careerImmediately after being released as a player, Musgrave joined the Oakland Raiders as a quarterbacks coach for 1997. 1998 placed him with the Philadelphia Eagles, where he was quarterbacks coach under Ray Rhodes, another former 49er assistant. Toward the end of the year, Musgrave was calling plays instead of offensive coordinator Dana Bible. In 1999, Musgrave left to be the quarterbacks coach under George Seifert with the Carolina Panthers, in an arrangement that saw he and Seifert having a heavy hand in calling the plays over offensive coordinator Gil Haskell. Upon Haskell's departure to Seattle, Musgrave was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2000.
Having enjoyed a favorable relationship with Seifert, doing gameplanning, and helping call plays was a major plus for Musgrave, and a reason the team chose him to replace Haskell, who had been a holdover from a previous staff. However, as an inexperienced coordinator, Musgrave had faltered at times, been criticized in the media for choices in playcalling, and was at one point rumored to have been yelled at by Seifert in front of the team. Musgrave resigned from the position after four games.
Musgrave accepted the position of offensive coordinator under Al Groh at the University of Virginia in 2001-2002, tutoring Matt Schaub to school records. Musgrave left to be the offensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars (2003-04), and was released from that position. Since, Musgrave has held the quarterbacks coach position for the Washington Redskins (2005) and Atlanta Falcons (2006-2009).
In 2010, Bill Musgrave was promoted to Assistant Head Coach/Quarterbacks coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
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Super Bowl champion (XXIX)
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So this once again serves a valid question....is it considered a promotion simply becoming OC or does he need the AHC role as well? (Just trying to figure out this might trickle down the line).
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position coach to coordinator to assistant hc to hc
he is going from QB coach to OC and that is a move up. it only gets technical when it is say OC with no playcalling ability to another OC position with playcalling ability. That is again an upward climb.
Kinda like a puppet GM taking another GM job with full authority.
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He went from the NFC to the AFC ... that should be tougher ?
But seriously would it have to do with things like pay, ability to have input on players and in the draft and other responsibility as well? I mean you should be able to accept the same job if someone is going to give you more in your contract and responsibility without having to give you a better title I would assume...?
If the title was the lynchpin you could give the guy less responsibility and actual power but just give him a nice title ... kid of like General Manager George Kokinis
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I would have preferred McCoy, but he wasn't going to go anywhere where he wasn't calling the plays.
I do think that Musgrave is a solid choice.
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I would have preferred McCoy, but he wasn't going to go anywhere where he wasn't calling the plays.
not necessarily responding to you, but i keep seeing this- and i can't quite figure it out. McD called the plays in Denver- didn't he??? So what experience did McCoy have with calling an offense? I don't see him as a great loss if the browns even wanted him.....
I'm not sure this Musgrave thing is a done deal either. He is visiting the vikes today, and lets be honest- the vikes have a few more toys in the closet to play with.
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McCoy is a highly respected coach from everything I have read. I can't see him going somewhere to be the offensive coordinator and not the play caller. He's a great QB coach, and a very good student of the game.
Look at how the team did scoring-wise with Tebow at QB for the final 3 games.
The team looked about ready to be blown up after the first game after McDaniel was fired. Then they pulled it together and scored mid to upper 20s the rest of the way out. That was with a rookie QB who many still think doesn't have the ability to play in the NFL as an everydown QB.
I do hope that we sign Musgrave. He's a really solid coach, and would make me feel 100% better about the whole coaching situation.
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j/c The REAL question is... Whos his agent? 
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Why would we bring in someone to run the Pats shotgun spread, when everyone in the building is from the WCO? One direction is what Holmgren and company are shooting for so you probably have as good of a chance to be OC as McCoy.
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Why would we bring in someone to run the Pats shotgun spread, when everyone in the building is from the WCO? One direction is what Holmgren and company are shooting for so you probably have as good of a chance to be OC as McCoy.
From what I see, there isn't that much difference bwteen what NE does and say, what Philly did this year...
Actually being the "WCO" team Philly went downfield more than NE did...
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WCO is the dink and dunk
spread is the chuck and duck
Spread is generally more about going deep and working your way back with your progressions. *its the QB killer* since you are leaving your qb vulnerable most of the time with multi receiver sets
WCO is timing and quick reads while your progressions go from short to deep. WCO uses more tight ends running backs and fullbacks. They are asked to protect more and also be equally as effective as a pass catching threat.
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I like the thought of bringing in Musgrave to go a long with Shurmur.
Add to that Mike Holmgren himself and Gil Haskell and we have some real good experience in the WCO.
PS. Any news on some of our assistant Coach's? Seely...
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I've seen nothing new on Seely ... I believe Jauron is currently in Cleveland finishing up the interview process with Wannstache's interviews still to come..? Can't confirm those times but I thought they were both supposed to be tuesday-wednesday ...
And as I keep doing searches every half hour or so to see what (if any) news will be on the coordinators, I keep seeing Zorn's name over again... first places saying he is being linked, then "reports" saying he is not .. then "league sources" saying it's a smokescreen and he is being considered for our OC ... then "people close to Zorn" saying he isn't involved in any talks ...
I guess I'm just waiting for news like anyone else, but it's another reminder that Holmgren could literally have had a dozen guys lined up to take each and every job, including the head coaching position, and that could (and most likely does) include names we haven't even thought of.
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Actually being the "WCO" team Philly went downfield more than NE did...
yeah, i noticed that too. Philly seamed to get away from the classic WCO once Vick took over. Maybe that played a factor in Marty M not getting a looksy as the head coach??
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NFL Network is saying Musgrave is expected to sign with Minnesota now since Shurmur wants to call the plays, and Minny is allowing Musgrave to call his own plays.
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actually.. its official.. Musgrave to Vikings
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That is VERY interesting considering earlier today people thought musgrave was as good as ours and were expecting him to sign here within ... hours?
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Bill Musgrave agrees to become Vikings offensive Coordinator
The Minnesota Vikings' protracted search for an offensive coordinator appears to be over.
Bill Musgrave has agreed to take the job, ESPN reported late Wednesday afternoon.
Musgrave, 43, had been the Atlanta Falcons' quarterbacks coach since 2006 and was promoted to assistant head coach last year.
He interviewed for the Cleveland Browns' offensive coordinator job on Tuesday, and NFL.com reported on Wednesday morning he was expected to take that position. But Musgrave already had traveled to Minnesota and apparently accepted the job after meeting with Vikings officials on Wednesday afternoon.
Musgrve previously had stints as offensive coordinator with Carolina (2000) and Jacksonville (2003 and '04) and also called plays for a stretch with Philadelphia in 1998. He presumably will call plays with the Vikings, too -- as opposed to Cleveland, where new head coach Pat Shurmur is expected to handle those duties.
I'm pretty sure Musgrave went to Vikings for a few reasons, of course talent, but also play calling rights.
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