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And for all we know, candidates either look at the situation, or get here and go "Oh Hell No".

There have been 2 candidates who have been reported by local media as being "the next offensive coordinator". These guys don't just pull stuff like that out of their asses. (Well, Grossi might, but Cabot and others are pretty well connected to the team) We were hiring McCoy ...... then he walked. We were hiring Musgrave .... then he walked. Both immediately took jobs elsewhere. That doesn't say to me that they were waiting on anything here. They heard our pitch and took a better offer elsewhere.

Shurmur should have kept his mouth shut about calling plays. He should have said something like "It depends on what direction we go with the coordinator position."

That would have left enough 'wiggle room" if we had a chance to hire a more experienced guy who would demand play calling responsibilities.

Instead he boxed himself in.

Now .... what teams are left in the playoffs ........

Pittsburgh: Not a WCO team
Jets: Not a WCO team
Bears: Not a WCO team
Packers: WCO team. OK, maybe we're targetting someone from that staff.

Can't be Philbin. He has the OC title, and can't make a lateral move.

Clements? Well, at least he's been a coordinator before. He was Mike Muhlarkey's coordinator in Buffalo.

He might be a decent candidate ..... but I doubt we're targetting him. His resume is way too similar to Shurmur's, and he might outshine him. besides, would he leave an incredibly stable environment in Green Bay where he can pad his resume for a few more years and then get a big time job ....... or come here ..... to play 2nd fiddle to an inexperienced head coach ......? Not only that, but he's a QB coach in a WCO ..... but he's got none of that in his past except for Green Bay. There he's 2 steps away from calling plays ... as the head coach calls them there.

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of course, we don't know if he was even offered the browns job

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Thank you for pointing this out. Everyone crying about the sky falling needs to realize it could be the case. How do we know that after interviewing Musgrave, Holmgrem and Co. didn't decide they were NOT going to offer him the job? Just because he went to Minn. so many people assume he jilted the Browns. Maybe the Browns were going to jilt him or at least interview others before deciding.

Remember, people, not everyone who interviews for a job is offered the job.

And for those saying Shurmur should have kept his mouth shut about calling the plays - good way to build trust in your staff - by lying during the initial interview. Then we'd be hearing about how his credibility sucks.

I swear there are people on here who would find fault with winning 30 million in the lottery. They'd probably focus more on the taxes they'd pay than the money they'd keep!

You could be right.....we will finally hire the guys we want after the rest of the league hires all the scrubs.

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We were hiring McCoy ...... then he walked.

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Kind of a stretch don't you think? How by staying at your present job can be considered walking on another team?

I have always considered your post pretty decent, and even though I don't agree with opinion that much, I still seemed to get your point of view. But lately, you are going so over the top, it is hard to take you serious.

You should really step back and think about some of the stuff you've been spewing lately. I understand your feelings about Mangini, and to a certain point I share those same feelings, but geez calm down man. You are coming off so over the top, it is actually getting funny.

You just might out Django, Django.

With musgrave out, Clements from GB and Zorn seem like the big names left. Whipple I really know nothing of the guy other than what i have read on here.

DC Jauron and Wanni still the top names in play and I remain hopeful that Wanni lands the job although I still like Jauron.

I would really love if we had some interest in Marc Trestman, but he doesn't seem to be anywhere on our radar.

Titans just fired their defensive coordinator, Chuck Cecil.

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Crappy DC good rep as a LB coach

Yea i meant DB can still remember when he got stiff armed by Michael Irvin, he pulled irvin down by the back of his pants. was that in the Jason Garrett vs Brett thanksgiving game

Absolutely with you ... this reminds me of the talking heads coming up with a mock draft in september .. then making changes as they find them out.

Just because the national media reports it doesn't mean it's true, and just because they report something true doesn't mean it's the WHOLE truth. I still believe that Holmgren had contacted a dozen candidates to be the head coach. Does it mean that we heard them all? No. For all we know Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, and Bill Cowher actually came in, wanted the job and were willing to accept .. but just because we don't know what happens doesn't mean it's not happening.

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Shurmur should have kept his mouth shut about calling plays. He should have said something like "It depends on what direction we go with the coordinator position."

That would have left enough 'wiggle room" if we had a chance to hire a more experienced guy who would demand play calling responsibilities.

Instead he boxed himself in.

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Then why did those guys even come for the interview already knowing that? Plenty of coaches decline or cancel interviews. Several have done it this season with various teams. So if they came here why?

Maybe just to give the appearance of competition for his services. Maybe because they thought he could talk his way into getting the play calling duties. Maybe they had nothing else to do. Maybe they were just hungry for a good meal.

But one thing is for certain, they did not come here thinking one thing and getting something else sprung on them once they arrived. We, Shurmur and Holmgren were very up front in the beginning and I'm certain the coordinator candidates appreciated that much more than getting a surprise once they came for the interview.

Bro you ain't been making sense since the bloody morning after. As much as so many were on Django's ass for being so vehemently against Mangini, at least he made sense and gave good reasons for his opinion. This stuff you propose just reeks of being angry and it seems with each new post your thoughts get even more bizarre.

Like I said, we'll let the rest of the league hire all the duds, then we will have the pick of the litter.

Ytown answered the question, he beat me to it...local media is a start.

You stated as fact that they were offered jobs. There is no proof whatsoever that this is true.

I don't think this team has been in a shambles sinc 99, but they have been in a state of suckage since 2005, except for a 10 game stretch where Derek Anderson led them to a series of scoring on 6+ drives a game.

It is all About the Offense.

Who Cares if they get the coordinator for offense, So What if Shurmur wants to call plays, Come ON Man, You Think , this is his first HC job and he is just supposed to let the play calling go to some other first time Coordinator and never get involved?

I don't care, Lets look at the positives,
They need to Bring EVERYBODY BACK, Everybody back player wise,

I don't know what all you think that Jon St Claire, ST Turnstile, Can't line his quote fat arse up and not be the Best Dang Right Tackle in the League Because I think he's Great!!!!!

I want to see Robiskie come back TOO ... I just want to see them hire TWOOOOOO BURNERS At wider receiver, Green in the 1st and Pettis in the 4th, or 3rd if Chekwa is gone whatever.

Come on man Look on the Bright side,
You Have HOlmgren, You have the Brightest light in the Skky, Tom Heckert is your GM, and You're probably going to get Wandstadt or Juran as DC

I Say Hire them Both! Dual Defensive Coordinators hOORAY

And for another poster! If WILE EEEE! COYOTE!!!

SUPER GENIOUS I might ad! Can Catch the Road Runner, then The Cleveland Browns can sure as heck beat the Steelers. and don't knock him because he just didn't give those rocket skates with the Giant wings enough time !!!
birdseed?

Another thing How is Montario Hardesty's recovery coming along, SOMEBODY better learn to catch out of the backfield
I wanna see LeMichael James in a Browns Uniform THIS YEAR, Start the season !!!
Heckert is going to get his WestBrook Clone, his Brian Westbrook clone.
This Browns offense is a Thurman Thomas Clone and an Andre Reed Clone from taking the team to the playoffs.

And another thing... I don't beleive any linebacker can't play linebacker ALL OF A SUDDEN if his team lines up in a 4-3 instead of a 3-4
Your a linebacker , play ball , it's just over analysis. this team is going to be good next year.

Hey If you Think MANGINI WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK, because he beat the Jets , didn't, or Pats, or Saints,
Come ON !!!!! Dude lost 5-0ut of 6 in the divsion this year, and same I think last year. had a 10 game losing streak to start, lost 3 or first 4 this year.

It is about winning.
Bring the ENTIRE TEAM BACK, GET 1 OR 2, OR 3 FREE AGENTS, DRAFT 7 ROUNDS AND GO PLAY BALL

AND WINNNN EARLY !

Get colt a couple Burners, Bring Back Robo, Momass, and Stuckey, line up 5 wide, and let Delhomme and Wallace and McCoy come back and have a great tandem including Watson, and Moore, and Royal at tight end and get Cribbs back to health and go win some games in the division this year.

And to the one who said this team lacks talent? If they hadn't traded or said they could win without Edwards

Pool, .. Mc Donald
Sean Jones,
and Shawn Smith, If' they'd start keeping the team together the team would start playing better. thats all I'm trying to say.

Come on Heckert, Go Git us an offense !!!!!

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Like I said, we'll let the rest of the league hire all the duds, then we will have the pick of the litter.

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Man peen, you don't know how much I hope that comes true.

j/c . . .

Posted by AdamP in the Wannstache thread. . .

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dave-wannstedt-buffalo-bills-new-assistant-head-coach-012111

Source: Wannstedt added to Bills staff

Alex Marvez
Updated Jan 21, 2011 9:43 AM ET

Dave Wannstedt is returning to the NFL.

Wannstedt has agreed to become the assistant head coach and linebackers coach for the Buffalo Bills, a source told FOXSports.com.

Wannstedt recently resigned under pressure at the University of Pittsburgh following a 7-5 season. Wannstedt had a 42-31 overall record in six years coaching his alma mater.

Wannstedt came to Pitt from the Miami Dolphins, where he was head coach from 2000 until resigning midway through the 2004 campaign. Wannstedt also had a 42-31 record in Miami and led the Dolphins to two playoff appearances. Wannstedt was 40-56 in six seasons (1993 to 1998) as Chicago's head coach.

Wannstedt will now be reunited with several of his former staff members from Miami, including Bills head coach Chan Gailey. Gailey was Wannstedt's offensive coordinator in 2000 and 2001 before leaving to become head coach at Georgia Tech.

Wannstedt, 58, also drew interest from Cleveland, where he interviewed Thursday, and Carolina. Dick Jauron is now believed the frontrunner for the Browns' vacant defensive coordinator position.

Great ......

Well, so much for the Wannstedt wants the AFC title so we had to let Seely go theory .......

I hear that "Bob" from "Bob's Big Boy" is interviewing next .......

Still waiting to see them hire the Pee Guy, like for Quality Control. Never seems to let up. But maybe someone with better experience. Must have our eye on a playoff guy perhaps? Might be sweet.

Well ... we'll see who they wind up hiring.

There are almost no more jobs open, so we shouldn't lose any candidates to other open jobs at this point ......

I kind of hope that we grab Green Bay's QB coach. Even if he can't call plays, he's still a great QB coach.

Isn't Musky outta the picture now? I want to see who is coming here and lose some of the current underachievers.

Anyone know the NFL rules that govern when teams can talk to coaching candidates who are in playoffs? Is there an exception made during the first week of a two week layoff between games?

I was thinking that teams could interview candidates during the first week?

Anyone know?

I don't know for sure, but i think the exception was for head coaching positions only. So, i would be shocked to hear any news about position coach interviews from the GB staff.

I doubt its a big deal if they sit on this for a couple of weeks waiting for the packer coach, if that is who they want. It makes alot of sense. The senior bowl is this week. I think it was more important to settle on a defensive identiy coming into this thing. The offensive identity is set, with or without an OC.

I believe it is only allowed for HC interviews. Although with Holmgren's GB ties, I am pretty sure that if Clements is our target, he knows it and we know everything about him. If he shares the same agent then it is even more likely the backdoor channels are working.

No noise coming out this week will be just as big as an interview.