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This is what we need to be doing. Imagine the money saved on road maintenance in this city, let alone state, because we won't have our roads get torn up by the weather, salt and plows. Our cars would also benefit.

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Solar-powered 'smart' roads could zap snow, ice
By Thom Patterson, CNN
January 19, 2011 10:59 a.m. EST | Filed under: Innovation
An artist's conception of engineer Scott Bursaw's proposed solar roadway, which would resist ice and snow.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Engineers are developing high-tech road surfaces to melt snow, ice
Federally backed Idaho engineer pitches solar-powered road made of super-glass
Solar surfaces could power much of the nation, cut pollution, says inventor
Expert: Smart roads could be tried in downtown areas of snow-prone cities
(CNN) -- The mayors of New York and Atlanta, Georgia, suffered stinging criticism for their handling of recent winter storms, but in the near future, technology could clear city streets of ice and snow -- by simply melting it away.
America's harsh winters cost the nation's economy billions of dollars each year in snow removal equipment, weather damage to streets and vehicles, extra days of school and revenue lost to closed businesses.
Scott Brusaw, a 53-year-old electrical engineer in tiny Sagle, Idaho, thinks he has a solution. So far, he's generated interest from the federal government and General Electric in his idea for a solar-powered roadway made from super-strong glass, instead of conventional asphalt or concrete.
"I'm looking out the window now at about a foot of snow, so if we can make it work here, we can make it work anywhere in the country," Brusaw said. "I'm hoping this spring we'll start laying the foundation for it right outside our building here."
Bloomberg on snow: Not business as usual Critics: Frozen city preps come up short Cars and pedestrians fight icy roads
Solar cells inside its glass surface would allow the roadway to act as a giant solar power generator, fueling embedded heating elements and making plows and other snow removal equipment unnecessary.
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The heating elements would work "like in the rear window of your car," said the inventor, who intends to experiment with temperature settings during the next stages of the development process.
Electricity generated by the highway could be used to recharge electric vehicles and to power lights and LED warning signs along the road itself.
In fact, Brusaw believes that solar roadways -- if widely accepted -- could eventually generate clean electricity around the world, eliminating the need for fossil fuels and saving the planet from global climate change.
Marrying pavements with buildings
Brusaw is not alone in his quest to build a smarter road surface. On the other side of the country, at Massachusetts' Worcester Polytechnic Institute, civil engineer Rajib Mallick has a vision of his own.

Worcester Polytechnic Institute is trying to tap into the energy potential of asphalt.
With help from a grant from the National Science Foundation and the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, he and a group of colleagues are working to develop stronger, heat-absorbing pavements.
One idea is to embed the pavement with half-inch pipes filled with a fluid that resists freezing. In warmer weather, sun-heated fluid is stored in an insulated chamber, where it stays hot. Then, in cold weather when it's needed, that hot fluid is sent through the pipes to melt ice and snow.
"Think about it, we have more than 3 million miles of highways exposed to sunlight, so if we can harness this energy, it's free, and you don't need photovoltaic solar cells," said Mallick.
In the summer, the system could link parking lots to adjacent buildings, Mallick said, transferring heat from the asphalt to water tanks in adjacent buildings, which would save electricity.

Solar road panels would include glass layers, solar power cells, heating elements and LED road markers.
"We have to stop thinking of pavements as separate from buildings," he said. "They can depend on each other as parts of a efficient system to cut energy use and costs and move toward construction of environmentally sustainable buildings and pavement."
Even a warm weather city like Miami, Florida, could benefit from temperature-regulated pavements. The Worcester project estimates that every 50 meters of pipe embedded in Miami pavement would cost $12,500 to construct, $1,000 a year to maintain and would yield enough annual energy from its heat to power 55 homes for a month.
In six years, the smart pavement would pay for itself in energy production and savings, according to research by Mallick and his colleagues.
Smart pavements offer potentially impressive savings in other ways. Alaska spends an estimated $1,600 per mile on annual repairs to ruts in roadways. Controlling the pavement temperature can prevent much of this rutting damage, Mallick said.
Three FAQs that Brusaw gets
For Brusaw, the biggest opposition so far can be summed up in a word: "Change," he said. "It scares people, I think."
-- How can glass provide enough traction while supporting the weight, wear and tear of a conventional concrete or asphalt highway? Glass, especially when fused together in layers, is stronger than most people think, said Brusaw. He said he's joined forces with top glass researchers at University of Dayton and Penn State who can develop super-strong glass that would offer vehicles the traction they need.
-- How much would the solar highway cost? Brusaw calculates an estimated cost -- in great detail -- on his website. Short answer: each mile would cost $4.4 million. Payoff? A cleaner, self-sustaining highway that would eventually pay for itself in energy production and in other ways, he said.
-- Can the solar highway's surface collect enough sunlight when it's filled with bumper-to-bumper traffic? Yes, he says. Even when roadways are filled with bumper-to-bumper traffic, solar collection would be at 50 percent, he estimates.
Federal, state support
Building and maintaining "better, faster and smarter" roads to improve safety, increase taxpayer value and to remain competitive in the global economy are some of the reasons behind the Federal Highway Administration's commitment to innovation, said agency Administrator Victor Mendez.
Change ... it scares people, I think.
--Scott Brusaw, solar roadway inventor
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The FHWA gave Brusaw a $100,000 contract and the agency is supporting other smart road research across the nation. Virginia Tech is looking at using machines called piezoelectric generators to convert the weight of truck traffic on pavements into energy that powers nearby lighting signals.
Another FHWA program at the University of Nebraska Lincoln will research how hybrid solar- and wind-based generators positioned along roadsides can power highway infrastructure -- and even send extra electricity to nearby communities.
However -- after ideas like these are perfected in laboratories -- the financial and political pathway to the real world will be tricky when state and federal budgets are severely limited, said Robert E. Lang, director of University of Nevada Las Vegas' Brookings Mountain West think tank.
"There aren't a lot of revenue sources to pay for this," said Lang. Justifying the cost of installing anti-snow smart roads would be easiest in areas of high population density, Lang said, where vehicles could be charged fees for the right to use them.
As for Brusaw, he hopes to win more private and federal support by demonstrating a new prototype smart-road parking lot to be finished in the spring.
His goal would be to partner with a high-profile national chain like McDonald's or Walmart to turn their conventional parking lots into solar-powered, interactive, temperature-controlled spaces where electric-vehicle owners can recharge their cars while they shop or drive across the country.
"The Federal Highway Administration told us they're not going to let us go out on the highway to start this," said Brusaw. "They told us to go into the parking lot first, prove your technology, perfect it and learn your lessons there -- which makes sense."

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They put heating coils in football fields, why not roads?


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Saw this awhile back, very cool stuff.


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This is vastly different than that. We have had the technology to put electric or water heat coils in playing surfaces, driveways, etc for a long time. They are run by an outside source of electricity or a hot water source that consumes energy. In this case, the road itself is actually the SOURCE of the energy..

I'm sure its a long way off from being a practical large part of the solution but the technology is great.

I saw a solar powered generator at a trade show last fall.. couple neat things about it, it doesn't use gas so you can take it inside. If you fully charge it in the sunlight it will run for almost 24 hours.. More neat stuff.. keep in mind this thing was BIG, like it had to be pulled behind your truck big.. but they were still working on it.


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Would be cool to embed LEDs into the surface as well so lanes could be altered to fit traffic patterns or roadwork, and be better visible at night.

The worst around here is rainy nights, the lines on the road are damn near impossible to see anymore because they don't use paint anymore, they use that reflective tape, and once it wears down or gets tire marks on it, it no longer reflects.


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My first concern is the glass...and not the strength...I am sure that could be worked out...No I am more concerned with the light passing through it...You can't have a smooth surface...I mean right now the roads are given a texture so that cars have good traction. But if we do that to glass, the light diffuses and the solar cell becomes incredibly ineficient. (And solar Cells are not very efficient to begin with.) Not only that......if we get past that issue we then will have to spend fortunes on keeping the glass clean. cars passing over the glass will put down tire rubber, smoke residue, dirt, etc....that wil have to be routinely be cleaned off. Snow plowing costs go down but maintenence costs go up....

Not saying that this is not worth looking into....just that there are some major hurdles that will have to be faced that the article conveniently missed.


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This is vastly different than that. We have had the technology to put electric or water heat coils in playing surfaces, driveways, etc for a long time. They are run by an outside source of electricity or a hot water source that consumes energy. In this case, the road itself is actually the SOURCE of the energy..



So why not use Solar Panel alongside the road to power the Coils or whatever you'd put in the road to heat it.

That to me would be better than driving on Glass, in winter, in Ohio...


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As soon as they get a proto-type up and running " GE " will give the technology to China to produce !

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They put heating coils in football fields, why not roads?



This is vastly different than that. We have had the technology to put electric or water heat coils in playing surfaces, driveways, etc for a long time. They are run by an outside source of electricity or a hot water source that consumes energy. In this case, the road itself is actually the SOURCE of the energy..



So why not use Solar Panel alongside the road to power the Coils or whatever you'd put in the road to heat it.

That to me would be better than driving on Glass, in winter, in Ohio...



Because the focus on solar technology is all about how can we hide it and build it into structures instead of having it like this big ugly appendage sticking off of structures like it is now.

We can put big ugly solar panels next to a lot of things to help power them.. but then we have to look at big ugly solar panels. The future of solar is in how do you make it integral to a window so that nobody knows it is there? Imagine one of those tall glass skyscrapers.. yea, you can put a thousand solar panels on the roof or next door to run it but if the entire shell of the building was integrated with solar panels, then you don't have to look at them (or you look at them but don't see them).. well that would be cool.

I'm sure the people that are working on this aren't idiots. I'm sure they understand that the strength of the surface has to sustain traffic, that the surface has to have a certain friction to it, and all of that other stuff...


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This is why the world is doomed.

"Here, we're going to put this here to save money"

"Ew, I don't wanna look at that!"

"But it'll save money.."

"Yeah But I'll have to look at it! No thanks..."

Just like everyone wants more prisons/jails...just...not near them...etc.

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I don't like to look at ugly things.


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Interesting, thanks for the post. I wonder what they'll do with areas like the PNW that are overcast for a large portion of the year - though maybe there's still enough solar to be ok? Or worse, way up north like Alaska where there is not much sun for 1/2 of the year.

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This is vastly different than that. We have had the technology to put electric or water heat coils in playing surfaces, driveways, etc for a long time. They are run by an outside source of electricity or a hot water source that consumes energy. In this case, the road itself is actually the SOURCE of the energy..



So why not use Solar Panel alongside the road to power the Coils or whatever you'd put in the road to heat it.

That to me would be better than driving on Glass, in winter, in Ohio...





Why not just build a roof above it, with solar cells in the roof. That will reduce precipitation on the road surface, which will immediately improve the efficiency of any heating element, as will the associated reduction in wind-chill induced cooling.


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Why not just build a roof over the highway and paint it black?

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Because it wouldn't be "green" if you don't put solar panels on it, silly... we're trying to save the planet here!


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Because it wouldn't be "green" if you don't put solar panels on it, silly... we're trying to save the planet here!



Ok fine, paint it green...


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Roadside mini-turbines in arrays to use trickle from passing vehicles and breeze to assist. It ain't daylight 24\7, even in Vegas. Overpasses underneath for example can power overhead.


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Roadside mini-turbines in arrays to use trickle from passing vehicles and breeze to assist. It ain't daylight 24\7, even in Vegas. Overpasses underneath for example can power overhead.





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Roadside mini-turbines in arrays to use trickle from passing vehicles and breeze to assist. It ain't daylight 24\7, even in Vegas. Overpasses underneath for example can power overhead.




Actually, you might be able to generate more power if the road surface was a series of interconnected "piezo pistons"... basically plungers that would depress under the weight of the vehicle, and in doing so, they would pass a magnet through a coil to induce a current - AND - have a piezoelectric disc beneath it to receive the pressure of the vehicle, thus also inducing a current.

Each wheel could probably be driving over 4 or 5 at a time.... wire them all in series back to a current collection point for battery storage and you've got rush hour generating a lot of current.... all you need is a flexible/malleable, sacrificial road surface above it that can be easily


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basically plungers that would depress under the weight of the vehicle, and in doing so, they would pass a magnet through a coil to induce a current - AND - have a piezoelectric disc beneath it to receive the pressure of the vehicle, thus also inducing a current.



Too many moving parts to break.

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Would be cool to embed LEDs into the surface as well so lanes could be altered to fit traffic patterns or roadwork, and be better visible at night.

The worst around here is rainy nights, the lines on the road are damn near impossible to see anymore because they don't use paint anymore, they use that reflective tape, and once it wears down or gets tire marks on it, it no longer reflects.




You're a little "aged" like me, right ? This becomes more of a problem as the years go on too. I know I have pretty much sworn off night driving.

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It doesn't have to be daylight 24/7; we are already using grid mounted solar panels and small storage devices to panel light poles with LED lamps;

There is some cool new technology that they are working on for solar; wrapping light poles around the base and up the pole with a flexible solar wrap and powering up the LED lamps in the light poles, thus keeping everything self-contained and not requiring any power run to the pole;

and some other that I have seen in my LEED training which include make roof tiles with solar material so that you don't have to have the grid mounted system; roll-out flexible solar film for the roof on existing roofs, installing a solar film on exteriors of buildings, putting spray-on solar film on windows and it keeps growing.

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It doesn't have to be daylight 24/7; we are already using grid mounted solar panels and small storage devices to panel light poles with LED lamps;

There is some cool new technology that they are working on for solar; wrapping light poles around the base and up the pole with a flexible solar wrap and powering up the LED lamps in the light poles, thus keeping everything self-contained and not requiring any power run to the pole;

and some other that I have seen in my LEED training which include make roof tiles with solar material so that you don't have to have the grid mounted system; roll-out flexible solar film for the roof on existing roofs, installing a solar film on exteriors of buildings, putting spray-on solar film on windows and it keeps growing.




Reading stuff like this makes me giddy. I'm a huge fan of green technologies.

Hell, I wish I could build one of those Clayton i-Houses. Unfortunately I doubt many municipalities in good areas would allow manufactured housing.

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Global warming will have melted the polar ice caps and flooded the world before they made any significant progress on this.

Too many extreme weather conditions for this stuff to work without many problems.

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But if all roads are connected then the roads in the south generating excess electricity could help power the melters on the norther roads.


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