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Imaging that. Fat Albert and Big Baby on the same DL. I get shivers just thinking about that.
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Only issue with Rogers is pay vs production. They have to be certain that he's going to benefit the team before shelling out his $5.5 million salary.
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the spread of the Belichick coordinators for better or worse seems to be the main reason for the 3-4 resurgence IMO
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Mangini rids us of malcontants,Holmgren fires him,then brings in the biggest of them all,rather ironic.
We can only hope that niether of those over-paid,under-producing lardarsess will be here.
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Rogers needs to be coddled for sure...but if he feels good, he simply takes over games....I keep repeating this: go rewatch the Saints game...Rogers won it all by himslef, no kidding....he was in Brees' face all day and forced those INTs
Not sure if he has enough trade value...I think he's more valuable to us than anything his contract could get us back in picks, so I'd keep him
Draft prospects I'd be ok with at 6: Dareus, Gabbert, both CBs, Green, Jones...really want Gabbert though, since I still think we have no franchise QB...he's a WCO QB with arm and size....I can't see Holmgren passing on him if he's there, which I doubt now that Luck stupidly elected to stay
No-Go Prospects: Fairley, Quinn, Bowers, Newton (and any other QB)
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Gabbert will be a bust. The hype he gets is mind boggling. All you see is oooh nice size and has a big arm.
Gabbert reminds me of David Carr in nearly every facet of his game. Meaning he is terrified of pressure or a pass rush of any kind. If he feels even 1 degree of heat he is running out of the pocket like a headless chicken. The guys plays in a gimmicky spread offense that masks his inaccuracy and his footwork is atrocious. Ryan Mallet is MUCH better than Gabbert.
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Not to turn this into a draft thread, but... Quote:
The guys plays in a gimmicky spread offense that masks his inaccuracy and his footwork is atrocious. Ryan Mallet is MUCH better than Gabbert.
Really? In watching Mallett once pressure got to him in probably his two biggest games of the year that I saw (Alabama and Ohio State), I saw a guy who looked skittish once the rush got to him. Especially in the Sugar Bowl, I thought he looked rushed and threw some DA turf rockets under any sort of duress. Add in that he played in Bobby Petrino's scheme which has made Dave Ragone, Brian Brohm, and Stefan LeFors look like world-beaters and I don't understand the gimmicky offense comment. Mallett also seems to be behind Gabbert in leadership and maturity.
Hell, even Mallett's mechanics seem pretty suspect. My evaluation of the Sugar Bowl could be somewhat fuzzy, though. A liter of red wine may have distorted my perception near the end. 
Back on topic, though (my as well make a half-assed attempt at it)...
If the DEs like Bowers/Quinn (who we may not see at our slots in the first place), DTs Fairly and Dareus, and Green at WR grade out identical by our FO, what the hell do you do? They all seem like such glaring needs that I can't fathom what to do at #6 overall right now if I have my pick of the litter.
And for that matter, what type of DL/LB for a 4-3 are available in free agency this year? I know a simple google search on my own would take care of this, but I don't feel the motivation to open up another tab and type something different there.  Anything worth making a run at?
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Perhaps, but if a coach runs a particular play 85% of the time, on 3rd and 1, from midway through the 4th quarter on, when up by 3 or more points, then ...... next time he is faced with that situation, you have a pretty good idea what's coming.
Jauron has been consistent throughout his career. He runs a particular type of defense, Why would he come here to change what he does? He's been in the league for 15 years. He is what he is.He does what he does. He's not going to come here and reinvent himself.
Mangini didn't fit the philosophy here, and that's fine. This isn't about Mangini. This is more about a guy like Wannstedt compared to a guy like Jauron. Wannstedt prefers bigger players on defense acrossed the board. He wants bigger OLB and bigger DE. He will blitz a little more. He relies on players playing their responsibilities. He values a guy being able to win his individual battle and make plays as opposed to having the whole team "flow" to a play. I feel that Wannstedt's philosophy fits better in the tough and physical AFCN. The guys are what they are. They are going to run the defenses that they have always run. They aren't going to reinvent themselves at this stage of their careers.
I laid out why I changed my mind on Jauron, and used facts to support it. One or 2 years of facts, stats, and other information might not be enough to get a picture of who the coach is, and what he does. 15 years though ....... that gives you a pretty good idea of what goes on in his head as far as football philosophy goes.
You can say "Well, I just don't have an opinion", but that's a pretty lazy way out. You say that I have been the "voice against the FO since Mangini was fired", yet I have had favorable things to say about 2 of the offensive coordinator candidates who were supposedly coming here (McCoy and Musgrave) and 1 of the defensive coordinator candidates, who was also a "co-front-runner" in Wannstedt. If that is being against the FO, and that's how you measure guilt ...... then I suppose I'm guilty.
Personally, I think that you are just as guilty of seeing the "valiant front office who freed us from the evil Mangini" as pure of heart and intention, noble in cause, and your knight in shining armor who can do no wrong. You have just as many prejudices ... they are just from the other direction. You try to disguise them in a "facts, stats, and the past don't matter when looking at coaches", and by saying that you, a Browns fan, part of the most rabid fanbase on the face of this Earth ..... that you have "no opinion" about who we bring in.
Excuse me if I find that just a little bit hard to believe ..........
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I was reading along and thought, "Well, maybe Ytown has cooled down a little. This seems like a pretty reasonable post. Then this gem..... Quote:
Personally, I think that you are just as guilty of seeing the "valiant front office who freed us from the evil Mangini" as pure of heart and intention, noble in cause, and your knight in shining armor who can do no wrong. You have just as many prejudices ... they are just from the other direction. You try to disguise them in a "facts, stats, and the past don't matter when looking at coaches", and by saying that you, a Browns fan, part of the most rabid fanbase on the face of this Earth ..... that you have "no opinion" about who we bring in.
Excuse me if I find that just a little bit hard to believe ..........
I am nearly speechless. You just can't let it go. Wow........
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j/c..
there have been reports that Haynesworth wants to play for Philly.
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there have been reports that Haynesworth wants to play for Philly.
That is good for Philly. Haynesworth is like Rogers....if he wants to play, he is as good as it gets, but unlike Rogers, he isn't so packed down with blubber he is limited to 15 snaps a half.
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An uninformed voter is the worst kind of voter. Because his vote will not be made by understanding the candidates or the issues, rather by snippits of this and that which in the end is pretty much the same as throwing a dart blindfolded.
I remember Wannstdet and Jauron. I remember Wannstdet coaching the Dolphins and Bears. I remember his defenses were tough. I remember Jauron coaching the Bills and thought they sucked. That's about what I know of either of them. I remember they both failed as head coaches but read the other day that Jauron was coach of the year in 2001 with the Bears. I really ddin't even remember his coaching them until I read that.
Now, with that as the sum of my knowledge of the two, do you want me choosing one of them as our DC? Thought not. Because I don't know any specifics of the schemes each one of them runs it's awful hard to have a favorite based on football.
By some of the things I've read on here lately, and if I had up until now to make up my mind, then I'd probably prefer Wannstdet's philosophy but even then it would be based on very little knowledge of his defense.
I don't mind not knowing something. And if I don't, I'm certainly not going to pound my choice up everybody's butt based on so little knowledge. I feel that's the worst thing to do and it's done on here constantly by many who know no more than I do.
And I don't see "the "valiant front office who freed us from the evil Mangini" as pure of heart and intention, noble in cause, and your knight in shining armor who can do no wrong." What I do see is a FO that is working hard to be on the same page and of the same philosophy. We've had our Policy with his agenda coupled with Palmer, we've had our Butch Davis who wielded his total control to the detriment of the team by ignoring his own staff, we've had our Collins vs. Savage then Savage vs. Crennel regimes. That has been the basis of our failures.
Now we have a FO who believe in the same method of building a winning team. I'm heavily in favor of that.
We've hired a coach. Certainly not my first choice. But here he is and by that I have two choices: Accept it or Not. Since I can't change it I'll accept it. Just as I did with Mangini when he was hired. I didn't like the way Lerner jumped on him so quickly, but I accepted the decision and defended him until I saw him constantly proving his incompetence.
We've hired a DC. I had no choice. Of those available I didn't know enough about them to have a choice. Same goes for our OC. Of those available I know squat. We'll pick one and I'll have to accept it.
In all this I do actually have a third option and that is to bitch and moan that we didn't get Cowher, Belichick and Bill Walsh to coach our team.
But I do have this: I trust that our FO knows our players better than me and I trust they know all the candidates better than me and I trust they'll work as hard as they can to get the top guy on their lists and work their way down from there. All I can do at this point is trust them to do the right thing.
I can't accept that Holmgren spent 9 hours evaluating the season and I can't accept that he didn't even consider Mangini's replacement until the 10th hour and I can't accept that they're bumbling around up there not having a plan. They have a plan. They've had a plan.
Will the decisions really be the right thing, the very best for the Browns? I don't know. I can only hope. But I do know that's what they're trying to accomplish and I feel I have to give them the chance to prove they can do it.
Besides, it's a hell of a lot more fun learning what we now have than being constantly disgruntled because the laws of physics won't allow us to travel back in time and make changes to our liking. Buying into what's going on is a hell of lot more enjoyable than spending countless hours digging for information that might prove our FO wrong. Accepting that our FO is trying their level best to field a competitive team striving to win a super bowl eventually is a calmer, easier life than being red-faced mad day after day because they didn't do it my way.
So far, at this point, I'm ok with what's happening.
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Due to the declining performance of the Bills and despite player support for Jauron, many Buffalo fans wanted to see the removal of the coach. By using social networking sites such as Facebook, many fans have raised money for a digital billboard reading "It's Time to Clean House, Ralph" on the I-190 extension of the I-90 thruway to Buffalo. .[18]
Im goin to be on the open minded side as of now...No games have been played..It`s like anything else... I`ve been told how good or bad a resturant or a beer is...and never making a desicion until I have tasted the food or beer for my self..
As I read the part that he had the players support... that would have to be a positive side of the man... it is the players that deal with the coaching on a team..
That then brings to the point..how the fans wanted him gone...It was the Bills fans that had the issues.Funny how in some cases the fans voices can become a large part of an org`s desicion.
So who was right in Buffalo... The Players or the Fans ?
At this point The biggest concern for myself is the draft... What will the FO do to put this DC in a position to set himsellf up for success.
Since "99" we have seen a constant change with hope of winning seasons..Here` the start of another... At this point there`s not much we can do but wait and see...Not the most favorable expectation. But what else do we have.
And of course that will pertain to the HC..OC.. STC and so forth..
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Just a point here .... Mangini had the support of players too.
In the end, it doesn't matter much.
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True he did...In the end the biggest factor is the wins over the losses..
At some point I hope to see the numbers for this team having the Win numbers bigger then the loss numbers..
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Man that sure would be nice.
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The Browns needed to get an experienced, respected DC so Shurmur can focus on what he does best - offense. They're fortunate to get Jauron, IMO. They didn't want a virgin HC and a virgin DC at the same time. They'll probably have to hire a first time OC, which made it more critical to get a veteran DC.
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The Browns needed to get an experienced, respected DC so Shurmur can focus on what he does best - offense. They're fortunate to get Jauron, IMO. They didn't want a virgin HC and a virgin DC at the same time. They'll probably have to hire a first time OC, which made it more critical to get a veteran DC.
This is what I've been thinking, although I wouldn't mind an older more experienced OC like Brad Childress (who I've heard people mention), especially if Shurmur still could call the plays.
Jim Zorn and Childress are the top of my list, although I wonder if the Packers have any good candidates
May be this guy Tom Clemments (QB Coach Packers), if he knows the WCO. I think that's what the Packers run, may be he'd be an okay fit
Another candidate who I've heard great things about is Bill Callahan O-Line Coach of the Jets. He's talked about very highly. I dunno if he can work for this offense, but he's regarded very highly. If he could fit, he'd be a great O-Coordinator candidate
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I read in one article (I think on cleveland.com) that we were looking at the Packers QB coach (think it was the QB coach)... I think we'll have a hard time getting an experienced OC or former HC for the OC because Shurmur wants to call his own plays... i think it'd be like a demonation for someone to come in whose used to calling plays to not be allowed to run their offense during game day...
we'll see... as long as they are on the same page as Shurmur and MH that's what I guess matters....
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I would have no problems at all with Clements considering how well he develops QBs. Would be a good one to grow into the position, while he develops Colt.
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The Browns needed to get an experienced, respected DC so Shurmur can focus on what he does best - offense. They're fortunate to get Jauron, IMO. They didn't want a virgin HC and a virgin DC at the same time. They'll probably have to hire a first time OC, which made it more critical to get a veteran DC.
Tacker...I agree...
...concerning the Browns OC opening...just a guess on my part, but I look for a young QB coach who has some background with the offense Shurmur is going to run.
Since all has been quiet concerning the OC candidates being interviewed, Holmgren and Sherm might be looking at someone on the coaching staff of one of the remaining teams still playing.
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Didn't see this posted,, so forgive me if this is a duplicate Quote:
Tom Clements at a glance...
• Joined Packers Jan. 29, 2006.
• Possesses 18 years of coaching experience, including two seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator.
• Prior to Green Bay, spent 10 seasons coaching quarterbacks under some of the game’s most successful coaches, including Bill Cowher, Mike Ditka and Lou Holtz.
• Played 12 years in the Canadian Football League at quarterback and was a seven-time divisional all-star and two-time Grey Cup champion; was inducted into the CFL Hall of Fame
in 1994.
• An All-American at Notre Dame in 1974, he finished fourth in Heisman Trophy balloting that year.
• Practiced law for five years before beginning coaching career.
Tom Clements, entering his 18th season in the coaching profession, is in his fifth year as Green Bay’s quarterbacks coach.
Now in his 14th overall NFL season, Clements was named to his position Jan. 29, 2006, by Head Coach Mike McCarthy. Familiar with the role, Clements also served as quarterbacks coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers (2001-03), Kansas City Chiefs (2000) and New Orleans Saints (1997-99).
In Green Bay, Clements’ extensive tutelage of Aaron Rodgers has paid dividends, as Rodgers has become the first QB in league history to throw for at least 4,000 yards in each of his first two seasons as a starter.
Rodgers’ 4,434 passing yards in 2009 fell just 25 yards short of topping Lynn Dickey’s 1983 franchise record and ranked fourth in the league. He also ranked fourth in the NFL in TD passes (30) and passer rating (103.2), and first in interception percentage (1.29) in earning his first Pro Bowl bid. The passer rating also sits second in franchise history to Bart Starr’s 105.0 mark in 1966.
Meanwhile, Rodgers’ first 4,000-yard season in 2008 gave the Packers 4,000-yard passers in consecutive seasons for just the second time in team history, and for the first time in league history those back-to-back 4,000-yard passers were different QBs.
The previous two seasons, in addition to tutoring Rodgers as the backup and heir apparent, Clements oversaw a mini-renaissance of Brett Favre’s career. In 2006, Favre reduced his interceptions from a career-high 29 the year before to just 18, setting the stage for a near-MVP season in 2007, when Favre surpassed 4,000 yards passing for the fifth time. He also posted a career-best completion percentage of 66.5 and a QB rating of 95.7 that was his third best in leading the Packers back to the playoffs.
Before coming to Green Bay, Clements spent two seasons (2004-05) as offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. In 2004, the Bills’ offense increased its scoring output by 152 and reduced its number of sacks allowed from 51 to 38, fewest by a Bills team since 1999. The unit was highlighted by RB Willis McGahee, who became the fifth running back in Bills history to register back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, covering each year of Clements’ tenure. In addition, QB Kelly Holcomb set a club record in 2005 with a 67.39 completion percentage, surpassing Jim Kelly’s 1991 mark, 64.14 percent.
Prior to joining the Bills, Clements served as Pittsburgh’s quarterbacks coach for three seasons (2001-03) under Bill Cowher. In 2002, his second season with the Steelers, he helped Tommy Maddox earn The Associated Press Comeback Player of the Year award, as Pittsburgh’s passing offense ranked seventh in the NFL, its highest finish since 1980 with Terry Bradshaw under center.
Clements also worked with Pittsburgh’s Kordell Stewart (2001) and Kansas City’s Elvis Grbac (2000) during each quarterback’s best season, both culminating in Pro Bowl berths. Mike Ditka gave Clements his first NFL coaching job, hiring him to coach the Saints’ quarterbacks (1997-99), which included Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins.
Prior to his post with the Saints, Clements served under Lou Holtz as quarterbacks coach (1992-94) and wide receivers/assistant head coach (1995) at his alma mater, Notre Dame. While with the Fighting Irish, Clements coached eventual 1993 NFL Rookie of the Year QB Rick Mirer, and WR Derrick Mayes, the Packers’ second-round draft pick in 1996. In addition, he tutored QB Ron Powlus, Notre Dame’s career passing leader in attempts, completions, yardage and touchdowns at the time of his graduation.
Inducted into the Canadian Football League’s Hall of Fame in 1994, Clements played quarterback for Ottawa (1975-78), Saskatchewan/Hamilton (1979), Hamilton (1981-82) and Winnipeg (1983-87) during a 12-year career in the CFL. Selected seven times as a divisional All-Star, Clements guided two teams, Ottawa (1976) and Winnipeg (1984), to Grey Cup Championships, earning the Outstanding Offensive Player award in each game. The league’s Rookie of the Year in 1975 and Most Valuable Player in 1987, Clements completed 2,807 of 4,657 passes (60.3 percent) for 39,041 yards and 252 touchdowns during his CFL career.
Clements also spent one season, 1980, as a quarterback for Marv Levy’s Kansas City Chiefs.
A three-year starter at Notre Dame (1972-74) under Ara Parseghian, Clements led the Irish to a 29-5 record, including an unblemished national championship season in 1973. An All-American in 1974, he finished fourth in Heisman Trophy balloting when Archie Griffin earned the award. Clements received his degree in economics from Notre Dame in 1975.
A licensed attorney, Clements worked from 1988-92 for Bell, Boyd & Lloyd, a Chicago-based law firm. He pursued his law degree during his CFL playing career, graduating magna ... laude from Notre Dame’s School of Law in 1986. In 1994, while on the Notre Dame coaching staff, Clements was an Adjunct Associate Professor of Law at the university’s law school, where he taught “Sports and the Law.”
Born in McKees Rocks, Pa., Clements and his wife, Kathe, live in Green Bay. The couple has two grown children: daughter, Stevie, and son, Tom.
Tom Clements at a glance...
• Joined Packers Jan. 29, 2006.
• Possesses 18 years of coaching experience, including two seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator.
• Prior to Green Bay, spent 10 seasons coaching quarterbacks under some of the game’s most successful coaches, including Bill Cowher, Mike Ditka and Lou Holtz.
• Played 12 years in the Canadian Football League at quarterback and was a seven-time divisional all-star and two-time Grey Cup champion; was inducted into the CFL Hall of Fame
in 1994.
• An All-American at Notre Dame in 1974, he finished fourth in Heisman Trophy balloting that year.
• Practiced law for five years before beginning coaching career.
Tom Clements, entering his 18th season in the coaching profession, is in his fifth year as Green Bay’s quarterbacks coach.
Now in his 14th overall NFL season, Clements was named to his position Jan. 29, 2006, by Head Coach Mike McCarthy. Familiar with the role, Clements also served as quarterbacks coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers (2001-03), Kansas City Chiefs (2000) and New Orleans Saints (1997-99).
In Green Bay, Clements’ extensive tutelage of Aaron Rodgers has paid dividends, as Rodgers has become the first QB in league history to throw for at least 4,000 yards in each of his first two seasons as a starter.
Rodgers’ 4,434 passing yards in 2009 fell just 25 yards short of topping Lynn Dickey’s 1983 franchise record and ranked fourth in the league. He also ranked fourth in the NFL in TD passes (30) and passer rating (103.2), and first in interception percentage (1.29) in earning his first Pro Bowl bid. The passer rating also sits second in franchise history to Bart Starr’s 105.0 mark in 1966.
Meanwhile, Rodgers’ first 4,000-yard season in 2008 gave the Packers 4,000-yard passers in consecutive seasons for just the second time in team history, and for the first time in league history those back-to-back 4,000-yard passers were different QBs.
The previous two seasons, in addition to tutoring Rodgers as the backup and heir apparent, Clements oversaw a mini-renaissance of Brett Favre’s career. In 2006, Favre reduced his interceptions from a career-high 29 the year before to just 18, setting the stage for a near-MVP season in 2007, when Favre surpassed 4,000 yards passing for the fifth time. He also posted a career-best completion percentage of 66.5 and a QB rating of 95.7 that was his third best in leading the Packers back to the playoffs.
Before coming to Green Bay, Clements spent two seasons (2004-05) as offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. In 2004, the Bills’ offense increased its scoring output by 152 and reduced its number of sacks allowed from 51 to 38, fewest by a Bills team since 1999. The unit was highlighted by RB Willis McGahee, who became the fifth running back in Bills history to register back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, covering each year of Clements’ tenure. In addition, QB Kelly Holcomb set a club record in 2005 with a 67.39 completion percentage, surpassing Jim Kelly’s 1991 mark, 64.14 percent.
Prior to joining the Bills, Clements served as Pittsburgh’s quarterbacks coach for three seasons (2001-03) under Bill Cowher. In 2002, his second season with the Steelers, he helped Tommy Maddox earn The Associated Press Comeback Player of the Year award, as Pittsburgh’s passing offense ranked seventh in the NFL, its highest finish since 1980 with Terry Bradshaw under center.
Clements also worked with Pittsburgh’s Kordell Stewart (2001) and Kansas City’s Elvis Grbac (2000) during each quarterback’s best season, both culminating in Pro Bowl berths. Mike Ditka gave Clements his first NFL coaching job, hiring him to coach the Saints’ quarterbacks (1997-99), which included Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins.
Prior to his post with the Saints, Clements served under Lou Holtz as quarterbacks coach (1992-94) and wide receivers/assistant head coach (1995) at his alma mater, Notre Dame. While with the Fighting Irish, Clements coached eventual 1993 NFL Rookie of the Year QB Rick Mirer, and WR Derrick Mayes, the Packers’ second-round draft pick in 1996. In addition, he tutored QB Ron Powlus, Notre Dame’s career passing leader in attempts, completions, yardage and touchdowns at the time of his graduation.
Inducted into the Canadian Football League’s Hall of Fame in 1994, Clements played quarterback for Ottawa (1975-78), Saskatchewan/Hamilton (1979), Hamilton (1981-82) and Winnipeg (1983-87) during a 12-year career in the CFL. Selected seven times as a divisional All-Star, Clements guided two teams, Ottawa (1976) and Winnipeg (1984), to Grey Cup Championships, earning the Outstanding Offensive Player award in each game. The league’s Rookie of the Year in 1975 and Most Valuable Player in 1987, Clements completed 2,807 of 4,657 passes (60.3 percent) for 39,041 yards and 252 touchdowns during his CFL career.
Clements also spent one season, 1980, as a quarterback for Marv Levy’s Kansas City Chiefs.
A three-year starter at Notre Dame (1972-74) under Ara Parseghian, Clements led the Irish to a 29-5 record, including an unblemished national championship season in 1973. An All-American in 1974, he finished fourth in Heisman Trophy balloting when Archie Griffin earned the award. Clements received his degree in economics from Notre Dame in 1975.
A licensed attorney, Clements worked from 1988-92 for Bell, Boyd & Lloyd, a Chicago-based law firm. He pursued his law degree during his CFL playing career, graduating magna ... laude from Notre Dame’s School of Law in 1986. In 1994, while on the Notre Dame coaching staff, Clements was an Adjunct Associate Professor of Law at the university’s law school, where he taught “Sports and the Law.”
Born in McKees Rocks, Pa., Clements and his wife, Kathe, live in Green Bay. The couple has two grown children: daughter, Stevie, and son, Tom.
This kinda looks like the kinda guy that would fit... we'll see.
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A QB Coach/OC makes some sense at this point as I seem to recall that Carl Smith left for a college team, and that we also still have no position coaches.
On kffl, they said that our DL and LB coaches (Cox and Eberflus) are interviewing for positions with the Cowboys. (and Ryan)
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I am not that concerned with the position coaches. Not that we don't want good ones. Just from the standpoint both of these guys have their guys out there.
Jauron is probably making his calls now for some defensive help to pad the list that Shurmer has.
Whoever or whatever we hire on the offensive side will also have some candidates to bring in.
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FYI...Remember Ko Simpson S from S. Carolina in the 2006 draft...Chosen by Jauron's Buffalo Bills...
We worked him out in November and again this past week...
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Hell of a player in college, never developed as a pro. Maybe he ca be next years mike williams and reinvent himself.
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Thats a very good point.. After your post I have read others who brought up that the next OC may still be coaching this weekend....Not to turn this into an OC topic but it does make sense.. The DC has been hired and at this point... as I mentioned previously all I can hope for is that he gets the talent he needs to make his system work . Looking after the Draft & Free Agency we will get a look at the D`s side and see whose on the team..Get a look at the system being put in place...Then a season long of Dawg Talkers being supportive or fire the guy Threads.... 
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Tom Clements broke my heart in the 1976 Grey Cup when he played for Ottawa and beat Saskatchewan (I'm sure you guys all remember this game like it was yesterday).
It was my first football heartbreak, and if he coaches for the Browns he'll have to atone himself, then all will be forgiven.
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I would like nothing more than to see Jauron be succesful here and have his best years as a D coordinator with us. Even if that takes him back to a head coaching job somewhere. He has never had a full deck to work with and maybe If we get the studs he needs, his experience and Philosophy will show up more than what his resume shows. I don't ever envision being a top Defense with him just because he is to conservative in his play calling. I hope that we can finally cover the middle of the field and stop the big plays at crucial times. I have seen more 3rd and longs converted that change the outcomes of many games. I would use the Titans 4-3 Defense from when Kearse was there as a blueprint. They always did good against Pittsburgh and our division with their speed.
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• Joined Packers Jan. 29, 2006.
• Possesses 18 years of coaching experience, including two seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator.
• Prior to Green Bay, spent 10 seasons coaching quarterbacks under some of the game’s most successful coaches, including Bill Cowher, Mike Ditka and Lou Holtz.
• Played 12 years in the Canadian Football League at quarterback and was a seven-time divisional all-star and two-time Grey Cup champion; was inducted into the CFL Hall of Fame
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• An All-American at Notre Dame in 1974, he finished fourth in Heisman Trophy balloting that year.
• Practiced law for five years before beginning coaching career.
Tom Clements, entering his 18th season in the coaching profession, is in his fifth year as Green Bay’s quarterbacks coach.
Tom Clements might be a perfect fit as the Browns OC.
He has been in the same position, QB coach, with the Packers for 5 yrs, helping to develop Aaron Rogers and has done an excellent job.
The next logical move up the coaching ladder for Clements would be to OC or HC...or assitant HC and OC.
Clements is from the Pittsburgh area and a move to Cleveland would put him closer to his hometown...a "possible" factor that might play in Cleveland's favor.
BTW...I read something about the Browns retaining their Oline coach and the TEs coach.
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Thats a very good point.. After your post I have read others who brought up that the next OC may still be coaching this weekend....Not to turn this into an OC topic but it does make sense..
The DC has been hired and at this point... as I mentioned previously all I can hope for is that he gets the talent he needs to make his system work .
Looking after the Draft & Free Agency we will get a look at the D`s side and see whose on the team..Get a look at the system being put in place...Then a season long of Dawg Talkers being supportive or fire the guy Threads....
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It's funny..when I was posting the Bill Walsh Tree and looking at Coaches from that tree I mentioned Tom Clements before his name ever came up here..lol Now it is looking like a possiblity..No one commented on it when I said it though. Another Coach who is young and doesn't have a lot of experience that I wouldn't mind tabbing as a protege and eventual Replacement for Jauron is Kevin Greene. He is Green Bays LB's Coach.
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1995: 2003 yards rushing and 17 rushing TDs allowed. (allowed 402 points)
1996: 1781 yards rushing allowed and 9 rushing TDs (allowed 335 points)
1997: 1734 yards rushing allowed and 12 rushing TDs allowed. (allowed 318 points)
1998: 2000 yards rushing allowed and 9 rushing TDs allowed (allowed 338 points)
Not to get back into the whole stats evaluation - because its so flippin complicated to do that, but I spent some time this morning trying to look at the bigger picture.
After all, an offense that turns the ball over a ton or goes 3 and out all of the time puts a lot more pressure on a defense. Strength of schedule, special teams also play a role in points allowed and so forth - so its a ton to look at.
For kicks and giggles, I focused on the inverse of what ytown looked at - the offense in Jacksonville while Dick was there (his first stint as DC I believe). "Everything" is 3rd down conversion pct, points scored, total plays from scrimmage.
Just for simmplicity sake, on the defensive side I focused on points allowed.
1995 - Defense was 28th in points allowed
- Offense was 25th or worse pretty much across the board and turnovers were -4
1996 - Defense was 19th in points allowed
- Offense was basically top 5 in everything with turnovers -3
1997 - Defense was 15th in points allowed
- Offense was top 10 and 5 in some cases with turnovers +9
1998 - Defense was 17th in points allowed
- Offense was top 10 in everything with turnovers +10
1999 - Defense was #1 (217) note this is the fist year Dick was gone
- Offense was top 5 in about everything.
In most of the years he was there, the defense improved about proportionate to the offense, which I would think would be a minimum. As you add talent or the other side of the ball improves, you should improve also.
Sure, we're still not accounting for special teams, strength of schedule, team health, added or lost talent, etc, etc. It still seemed a little odd to me though that the offense did not improve dramatically in 1999, but that the defense jumped so much immediately. Dom Capers took over for Dick.
I'm sure Dick would make a lot of different decision today based on the 10+ years of experience he's gained since then. He still helped to take them from a basement defense to average defense which isn't horribe for his first gig.
Anyway - I know, stats suck - but they are still interesting to look at and there's not much news these days...
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Another Coach who is young and doesn't have a lot of experience that I wouldn't mind tabbing as a protege and eventual Replacement for Jauron is Kevin Greene. He is Green Bays LB's Coach.
It will be interesting to watch Dick Jauron pick his staff. The guy has been around a long time and has a lot of connections..I'm hoping that will translate into experienced coaches being hired to fill out his coaching staff.
On the Kevin Greene speculation...I have no idea if he would be considered by Jauron.
Looking back at Holmgren's HCing record, his best years occurred when his team's defense was among the best in the NFL. That is not an accident or a fluke happening...Holmgren knows defense too!
Holmgren's creditability, connections and knowledge will be an asset to Jauron. Though Holmgren most associated with the offensive side of the ball, he does know a little about defense, too. I look for Holmgren to help Jauron in lure the best possible talent to fill our defensive coaching needs.
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Only if they listen to me on trying to trade that #6 to New England so they can land their sorely missing Moss replacement and we can get their 17 and 28 or 33..LOL I have visions of JJ Watt, Rubin, Rodgers and Heyward swirling in my head. I know we need offense, but hopefully Heckerts Eye for Receivers and Shurman can Tweek the Offense in our favor. We need High motored D Lineman now and those two are relentless. I can dream can't I?
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