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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
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No, Lindy Infante worked under Forrest Gregg in Cincy...Walsh had been long gone by that time and was alreay 2 years into coaching the 49ers after he had already gone to San Diego and Stanford.
However Lindy's offense was similar with the WCO in that it was strongly based on timing and players being in predetermined spots at a predetermined time. The ball was often thrown long before the receiver made his break. But that was about the only true similarity.
As far as Kosar is concerned, it is not entirely true that he has not coached "at any level". He has coached his son's pee wee and middle school leages...LOL...granted not much prestige there...but he has also helped often in a coaching capacity even if not in title at the University of Miami.
Personally, I think he would make an awesome OC or QB coach. He would definitely be most effective from the box on gameday IMO. For one thing he can call a game. And we do know that he designed plays during the games. We also have heard that more often than not decisions on offense were deffered to him rather than the OC. So there is no question in my mind that he can do it.
BUT (there is always a but...lol)
I certainly don't see Kosar coming to take an OC position where he can't call his own plays.....he didn't take that doodoo when he was a player...you think he will take it now??? I definitely don't see Holmgren taking that kind of a chance with Kosar. Despite the fact that Kosar still seems to have it when watching things in the booth...he has been out of football for coming up on 15 years!!!!! Then you have to deal with the is this for real or just a PR stunt angle with the players....granted that can get worked out...but time is wasted while you have to deal with it. Lastly, what kind of move would this be for Bernie? I mean he has a built mythology here...If he doesn't build the greatest Offense since Otto Graham, then he loses. It would be better for him to try elsewhere. So if he succeeds, we can clamor for him here....if he fails, we can make up all of the excuses why....His mythos is unharmed in Cleveland.
It just isn't happening....
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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
Ok,, look, I know he's not getting hired.. I get that. I know it's a pipe dream of mine..
But the big reason I'm hearing on here for him not coaching is because,,, get this, because he hasn't coached before.
There isn't a coach in the league that didn't start out that way. But most of them don't have his resume either. Most coachs seem to start out in HS or College as unpaid or very low paid assistents.. Kosar didn't do that (that I know of)
But he did something that few coaches ever do and that's play the game at this level and every level.
I don't know what your reasons for not wanting him involved in a capacity more than what you've stated is, but I'd sure like to hear it.
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One other thing....despite not having a large coaching resume...he was highly considered for the University of Miami HC position in 2007 before they gave the offer to Shannon....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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But the big reason I'm hearing on here for him not coaching is because,,, get this, because he hasn't coached before.
There isn't a coach in the league that didn't start out that way. But most of them don't have his resume either. Most coachs seem to start out in HS or College as unpaid or very low paid assistents.. Kosar didn't do that (that I know of)
This is my beef with it too. Everyone has to start somewhere. I'm not necessarily saying that he should be given a blank check as the OC, but it he would express interest in coaching, I'd hope he'd be given a legit interview and opportunity.
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One other thing....despite not having a large coaching resume...he was highly considered for the University of Miami HC position in 2007 before they gave the offer to Shannon....
I wasn't aware of that but to be honest, almost getting hired to be a HC in College is very much like, almost outrunning a hungry bear, or almost outrunning a bullet or almost losing your virginity....
Wait,, almost losing your virginity is still a lotta fun  unless of course its in prison
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Bernie would be a good guy to have in the booth during games to help or suggest adjustments. I'm not sure if there is a position for that skill but if there is he'd nail it. Daman, I officially quit listening to anything Mac has to say when I read he's rooting for the Steelers in the Super Bowl. Mac is dead to me until after the Super Bowl  .
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Wait,, almost losing your virginity is still a lotta fun unless of course its in prison
Flashbacks?
Which part,, losing your virginity or doing so in prison..
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Bernie would be a good guy to have in the booth during games to help or suggest adjustments. I'm not sure if there is a position for that skill but if there is he'd nail it.
Daman, I officially quit listening to anything Mac has to say when I read he's rooting for the Steelers in the Super Bowl. Mac is dead to me until after the Super Bowl .
Color me confused.. is there something about Kosar that just turns people off as a potiential position coach?
Again, I don't expect it to happen here....
As for Mac,, it's not just him and I should have made it clearer.. it's anyone that thinks that Kosar can't coach here and when pressed for a reason, they give, "because he's never coached before" 
Every coach didn't coach before he got his first coaching job.,, How many of those have Kosars professional resume?
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Color me confused.. is there something about Kosar that just turns people off as a potiential position coach?
1. Has been out of football 15 years.
2. never coached.
3. a potential loose cannon rolling around the deck because he's so straightforward, opinionated.
4. he's a local living legend which might undermine Shurmur at some point.
5. Bernie would maybe be the first QB coach bombarded with media requests on a weekly basis.
there's some things that have been mentioned (the last I added).
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Color me confused.. is there something about Kosar that just turns people off as a potiential position coach?
1. Has been out of football 15 years. OK,, that's valid, but he's remained close to the game and if you listen to him during broadcasts, there is no replacement for smarts and he's got them
2. never coached. Horrible reason not to give him a shot, perhaps not at OC, but at some position
3. a potential loose cannon rolling around the deck because he's so straightforward, opinionated. He really is opinionated so this is valid, but I think it would be worked on
4. he's a local living legend which might undermine Shurmur at some point.
5. Bernie would maybe be the first QB coach bombarded with media requests on a weekly basis.
4 and 5 are similar in nature since they both indicate a potential PR Problem for Shumur, Holmgren and Heckert. Ya know, if thier egos are that weak,, our problems run way deeper than any of us think.
None of this matters cause he isn't getting hired here....
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Ok,, what about QB Coach?
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i think he could do it. especially with shurmur calling plays i think bernie would be a great guy to help colt deal with some of the things he needs to work on. reading the blitzes, knowing how much time you have. and also throwing downfield. we all know bernie didn't have a gun but he was able to get it down there when he needed to.
i doubt it would ever happen though. but i think the guy would love to give it a shot.
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To those "dreaming"...you can continue, if you want...
BUT, the reality is, Kosar has never been a coach in the NFL and there is 0% chance of him being hired by the Browns OR BY ANY OTHER TEAM, to be a QB coach or OC.
I like Bernie and his commentary but with no experience coaching...it's just not gonna happen.
Mac,, you are incredible.. we all know he hadn't coached,, But before Shurmur coached, he didn't, before Holmgren coached, he didn't.
What are you expecting,, As I said, maybe as OC,, thats a reach for sure, but QB coach isn't out of the question... not even close..
And no, I really don't expect the Browns to hire him.. I'm thinking he probably doesn't have much interest in other teams.. I'm not even sure he has any interest in coaching at all..
But unless you've been living under a rock, Kosar is a pretty smart guy. He's well known for being able to read D's. It's funny to hear him during the preseason games, he calls out what the D is going to do by just looking at it.
WE could sure use our QBs to learn to do that.......
daman...don't take offense to my opinion...
No matter how much you or I might like Kosar...he is not experienced as a coach and Holmgren and Shurmur are not about to make Kosar a sentimental choice for QB coach, just to make some fans happy...jmho
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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
Ok,, look, I know he's not getting hired.. I get that. I know it's a pipe dream of mine..
But the big reason I'm hearing on here for him not coaching is because,,, get this, because he hasn't coached before.
There isn't a coach in the league that didn't start out that way. But most of them don't have his resume either. Most coachs seem to start out in HS or College as unpaid or very low paid assistents.. Kosar didn't do that (that I know of)
But he did something that few coaches ever do and that's play the game at this level and every level.
I don't know what your reasons for not wanting him involved in a capacity more than what you've stated is, but I'd sure like to hear it.
Give it up man. It's goofy...and I am trying to say that in a nice way.
The guy has never coached a lick and you want to make him OC.
Sorry......goofy.
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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
Ok,, look, I know he's not getting hired.. I get that. I know it's a pipe dream of mine..
But the big reason I'm hearing on here for him not coaching is because,,, get this, because he hasn't coached before.
There isn't a coach in the league that didn't start out that way. But most of them don't have his resume either. Most coachs seem to start out in HS or College as unpaid or very low paid assistents.. Kosar didn't do that (that I know of)
But he did something that few coaches ever do and that's play the game at this level and every level.
I don't know what your reasons for not wanting him involved in a capacity more than what you've stated is, but I'd sure like to hear it.
Give it up man. It's goofy...and I am trying to say that in a nice way.
The guy has never coached a lick and you want to make him OC.
Sorry......goofy.
Once again Peen,, I don't care what Position he takes..
1. he can be a QB coach
2. Everyone has to start somewhere.. Everyone that coaches today, didn't until they started coaching.
it's not goofy.. you don't have to be nice..
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It's an intriguing idea... and maybe not even with Kosar, I think it could be another set of eyes just on developing the team's quarterback. Kind of like what the 3rd string clipboard qb has become?
And I'm not even saying it just for the Browns ... can you imagine a guy like Peyton Manning helping a rookie or 2nd year QB when he finally retires in half a decade or a decade.
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can you imagine a guy like Peyton Manning helping a rookie or 2nd year QB when he finally retires in half a decade or a decade.
But it's not allowed to happen if he's never been a coach before. 
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lol .. well I just find the idea of playcalling to be off the radar at first. Someone like Brett Favre IMO has the potential to be a horrible playcaller, because he would audible chilly's calls into passes all the time.
That being said, the experience on the field and the film study and all has to count for something ...
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No....It's goofy.
What's goofy is people thinking that because he hasn't coached before that it can't happen now..
Look, I'm aware its not going to happen..
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lol .. well I just find the idea of playcalling to be off the radar at first. Someone like Brett Favre IMO has the potential to be a horrible playcaller, because he would audible chilly's calls into passes all the time.
That being said, the experience on the field and the film study and all has to count for something ...
I agree with the play calling aspect. I certainly would love to see him express interest in some way and be given a chance if he'd like to get into coaching.
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lol .. well I just find the idea of playcalling to be off the radar at first. Someone like Brett Favre IMO has the potential to be a horrible playcaller, because he would audible chilly's calls into passes all the time.
That being said, the experience on the field and the film study and all has to count for something ...
I agree with the play calling aspect. I certainly would love to see him express interest in some way and be given a chance if he'd like to get into coaching.
and to the best of my knowledge, he hasn't expressed interest in coaching..
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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
That sounds a lot like a QB coach. breaking down film, defenses, helping colt recognize pre snap reads. Imagine if Bernie had Colts escapability. Also Daman I guess we are not all the oracles you claim to be. i did pretty good.
1) I laughed at the signing of a QB in confidence freefall( and Jake did not disappoint)
2) I laughed when the brass said we did not need a veteran wr( of course so did every smart fan here)
3) I cringed when we signed tony Pashos, run out of Jacksonville and SF and could never stay out of the trainers room, and he promptly got injured..or did he report that way...Don't we check on these guys?
4) I cited proFootball Weekly when i said in Preseason we drafted one of the riskiest picks( Hardesty) and he barely made it out of training camp before once again injuring his knee, that pick Suggs.
Yet I am remembered and gladly so for calling the trade of Quinn for Hillis a "ham sandwich". Hillis was the Hero sandwich and Quinn was not even a small side dish for Denver. I loved being so wrong. With the flea market give away of harrison and dumping of Davis and drafting of Hardesty, thank god we had the tank Hillis, who eventually wore down and all we had was the wash tub Mike bell.
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I don't see him as OC... I might like him watching film with Colt, maybe even standing behind him in practice helping him "see" the right things... but that is about as far as I would want to take his advisory role... at least for now.
That sounds a lot like a QB coach. breaking down film, defenses, helping colt recognize pre snap reads. Imagine if Bernie had Colts escapability. Also Daman I guess we are not all the oracles you claim to be. i did pretty good.
1) I laughed at the signing of a QB in confidence freefall( and Jake did not disappoint)
2) I laughed when the brass said we did not need a veteran wr( of course so did every smart fan here)
3) I cringed when we signed tony Pashos, run out of Jacksonville and SF and could never stay out of the trainers room, and he promptly got injured..or did he report that way...Don't we check on these guys?
4) I cited proFootball Weekly when i said in Preseason we drafted one of the riskiest picks( Hardesty) and he barely made it out of training camp before once again injuring his knee, that pick Suggs.
Yet I am remembered and gladly so for calling the trade of Quinn for Hillis a "ham sandwich". Hillis was the Hero sandwich and Quinn was not even a small side dish for Denver. I loved being so wrong. With the flea market give away of harrison and dumping of Davis and drafting of Hardesty, thank god we had the tank Hillis, who eventually wore down and all we had was the wash tub Mike bell.
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3) I cringed when we signed tony Pashos, run out of Jacksonville and SF and could never stay out of the trainers room, and he promptly got injured..or did he report that way...Don't we check on these guys?
4) I cited proFootball Weekly when i said in Preseason we drafted one of the riskiest picks( Hardesty) and he barely made it out of training camp before once again injuring his knee, that pick Suggs.
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As did most others. Actually most cried (including me).
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Most everyone had the same sentiment. And also said that if he was healthy he would play well. Which he did. Before he got hurt...again.
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Everyone already knew he was a risky pick. But he injured his left knee for us. He injured his right knee in college.
So yes, you are great. You knew everything everyone else already knew and you were completely wrong on the one thing people disagreed with.
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2) I laughed when the brass said we did not need a veteran wr( of course so did every smart fan here)
3) I cringed when we signed tony Pashos, run out of Jacksonville and SF and could never stay out of the trainers room, and he promptly got injured..or did he report that way...Don't we check on these guys?
4) I cited proFootball Weekly when i said in Preseason we drafted one of the riskiest picks( Hardesty) and he barely made it out of training camp before once again injuring his knee, that pick Suggs.
But like Dan Qayle and "potatoe", Bill Buckner's error and "Wrong Way Corrigan", you will be forever remembered for your ham sandwich tirades. 
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1) I laughed at the signing of a QB in confidence freefall( and Jake did not disappoint)
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3) I cringed when we signed tony Pashos, run out of Jacksonville and SF and could never stay out of the trainers room, and he promptly got injured..or did he report that way...Don't we check on these guys?
4) I cited proFootball Weekly when i said in Preseason we drafted one of the riskiest picks( Hardesty) and he barely made it out of training camp before once again injuring his knee, that pick Suggs.
But like Dan Qayle and "potatoe", Bill Buckner's error and "Wrong Way Corrigan", you will be forever remembered for your ham sandwich tirades.
Oh so true...LOL
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I will always remember him for that, and also for the way he came out later and admitted to how wrong he was about Hillis and Quinn. I will give him that. If he can come out about when he was wrong, he can mention when he was right.
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No....It's goofy.
What's goofy is people thinking that because he hasn't coached before that it can't happen now..
Look, I'm aware its not going to happen..
Look, don't get all wadded up about" goofy"....it's simply a term I use.
But if you are aware it isn't going to happen, isn't it a bit goofy to pose the question??
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No....It's goofy.
What's goofy is people thinking that because he hasn't coached before that it can't happen now..
Look, I'm aware its not going to happen..
Look, don't get all wadded up about" goofy"....it's simply a term I use.
But if you are aware it isn't going to happen, isn't it a bit goofy to pose the question??
No,, I wanted to have a discussion about it,, and except for the wadded up "Goofy" comment and the folks that think it can't happen because he's never coached before, it's been interesting.
In otherwords, those that particpated instead of just calling the discussion names, were more fun..
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Like I said, it generated the traffic. Talking about stuff that will never happen is always fun. 
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IMO Kosar would make a great QB coach or O-cordinator however unless he has the time to devote to it (which i don't think he does right now) he is not going to be much help ;-(
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Isn't Kosar busy selling longaberger baskets?
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The idea that any team would make Bernie an OC is laughable.
At best he'd be a QB coach and then probably only on the Brown's and just because of his past service to the team.
Not to mention that he has almost zero desire (maybe less) to be a coach. He wants to own the team, not coach it.
Yep, Peen is right. This is goofy.......
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You couldn't see him successfully teaching Colt how to throw side-armed??? 
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