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If you click the link you will see all the tweets. These are current and former players taking shots at him and calling him a quitter. I've seen fans question a guy before but I don't think I've ever seen anything like this.

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Cutler's NFL contemporaries go after him on Twitter
By Doug Farrar


We're used to fans questioning the toughness of NFL players, especially in a game that has a Super Bowl berth on the line. If the quarterback of your hometown team can't go for whatever reason (especially if it isn't really obvious that he's hurt), there's going to be some negative talk (and possibly some guerilla theater after the game).


[Photos: See more from Cutler's very bad day]

What you don't usually see, as you did while Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler(notes) spent over half of the NFC championship game on the sideline with a knee injury, was the sort of invective we saw from Cutler's NFL contemporaries, and some notable ex-players. We've got a roll of tweets after the jump in which Cutler is questioned outright for his toughness and resolve with his absence in the game that the Green Bay Packers won, 21-14. A very interesting turn of events, considering the fact that these were all in-game before anyone had any idea what Cutler's injury actually was. Frankly, we've never seen anything like it.

The Bears said all the right things about Cutler's injury in the postgame news conferences, but public perception is going in a very different direction. And in Cutler's case, it starts with the guys who take the field and have a different level of understanding when it comes to putting it all out on the field. And we probably shouldn't invite Cutler and Maurice Jones-Drew(notes) to the same offseason barbecue...

[Rewind: NBA star fakes injury so another player can start]

It's a tough call. I have seen guys with torn knee ligaments walk off the field as if nothing was wrong. Will all these players (current and former) come back around and apologize if it turns out that Cutler has a serious injury?

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For those wondering, if you click the link, the tweets are after the article.


Me personally, I don't tweet, don't read tweets, and am surprised so many still haven't learned from the many folks in the spotlight that have said something in a tweet in the spur of the moment, only to have to apologize later. Maybe you really shouldn't be tweeting your every thought.

Much like in a public setting, sometimes it's best to hold your tongue.


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As a Chicago guy, I think he should have stayed in. Even if it hurt like hell, he was worlds better playing hobbled than a healthy Todd Collins. That guy sucks/sucked. It's the teams fault that they had Collins as the #2 and Hanne as the #3. I've seen both enough to know Hanne had fire and Collins was a clipboard holder.

Back on Cutler, I think he gave up. It's a tough thing to say about a guy since I don't know what his knee felt like....but you practive and play all those years to be in that game, then you spend most of the 2nd half walk the sidelines on a bum knee? Fishy.

Maybe it was a "he was really ineffective so we'll bench him and go with someone else to give us a chance to win"......but then why put in Collins?

And that call on 3 and 1....an end-around?! Didn't the Browns prove you don't run an end-around on 3rd-or-4th and short near the end of the game? Ugh....awful!

Of all the emotions this morning, I have to say I feel the worst for Hanne. He was minding his own business sitting at the end of the bench. Cutler asks out, Collins plays like crap (as expected), and then they ask this young kid to go win the NFC Championship game. And he almost did. Man, again with the awful 3rd and 1 call.....Martz put him in an awful position on 4th down. On top of all that, all the routes on the 4th down play were down the sidelines or deep, nothing over the short middle to make it easier on him.


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Well at least we all know what LeCharles thinks about it all. I'll be able to sleep tonight.


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for what it's worth, his teammates stood up for him after the game..

I'd think they'd know what kinda guy he is and if he's tough enough to handle the pain..

So, if they are ok with him, then so am I.


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you gotta wonder if it was his decision or not... sounds like it was more the medical staff not letting him go back in which if that's the case then what can you do? Of course I can see someone like Favre telling the medical staff to go to hadies and then going back in the game...

i'll be iterested to see what the MRI says.


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I clearly know very little about the Bears - but why was Collins even on the team?... or as you said at least make him the #3. As an NFL QB, his play this year makes Doug Pederson look like Joe Montana. Seriously think any fan out of the stands could have been inserted into the game and looked more comfortable.

I give that third string kid all the credit in the world - yeah he threw a couple picks but he gave them a better chance to succeed yesterday than anyone.

Cutler? Man, for his sake, he better have surgery on something this week. He's talented, but at least from afar he seems very weak... then you throw this latest thing in the mix? Chicago's a tough town - I can't imagine the beating he's taking/will take this offseason.


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It will be a long offseason for Jay if it is NOT a tear. Jay got RIPPED by Deon Sanders.

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I think the problem with Cutler yesterday was that he didn't look like he was upset by it. Maybe that's just his personality, but if he looked like he really wanted to go back in, but the medical staff wouldn't let him, things might be different today.

Hey, for all we know, Cutler could have been the ultimate team guy, gone to the coaching staff and said "My knee is really hurting and I feel someone else gives us the best chance to win."


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Phillip Rivers shredded his acl, and played against the pats 3 years ago. This doesn't look good for Cutler.

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We all saw how Delohme's ankle hurt his play.Playing hurt can actually hurt the team.

These guys are damned if the do, damned if they don't. I remember all the grief Farve took in New York for how badly he played after an injury. Playing him probably had a lot to do with Mangini losing his job.

This goes far before they hit the pros. hell my son (a freshman) hurt his wrist and wrestled for a month. He started to get some heat near the end for taking it easy during practices. Turns out his wrist was broken the whole time. Obviously no one knew it was broken or none of us would have let him continue wrestling. The point is he was still going onto the mat and preforming so no one really believed it was hurt that bad.

My point is that if people don't see visible signs of an injury they assume it is more a case of being hurt, not injured.


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We all saw how Delohme's ankle hurt his play.Playing hurt can actually hurt the team.

These guys are damned if the do, damned if they don't. I remember all the grief Farve took in New York for how badly he played after an injury. Playing him probably had a lot to do with Mangini losing his job.

This goes far before they hit the pros. hell my son (a freshman) hurt his wrist and wrestled for a month. He started to get some heat near the end for taking it easy during practices. Turns out his wrist was broken the whole time. Obviously no one knew it was broken or none of us would have let him continue wrestling. The point is he was still going onto the mat and preforming so no one really believed it was hurt that bad.

My point is that if people don't see visible signs of an injury they assume it is more a case of being hurt, not injured.




Very true. I had a high ankle sprain as a senior and tried to play through it after taking a week off. I caught all kinds of hell by my peers...but I literally could not drive my feet with the injury. Plagued me all season and people didn't believe I couldn't go.

Of course, Delhomme and Wallace miss weeks with the same injury and people understand. Go figure.

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It will be a long offseason for Jay if it is NOT a tear. Jay got RIPPED by Deon Sanders.





LMAO... Deon Sanders calling a guy out on toughness. That's rich.

Knee injuries are tricky things. It isn't necessarily pain that makes it impossible to play. You can do something about pain. You can't, however, do much if the knee isn't stable enough to play on. I suspect that Chicago's trainers were concerned about the stability of Cutler's knee and they may have held him out on that basis.

I'm not a big Cutler fan, but it seems to me he's getting more grief than he deserves right now. Some of these ex-players are just jackasses who are desperate to be relevant again. I hope Jay is OK and that he'll rebound from this and play well going forward.


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Jay Cutler waited his whole life to get to the NFC championship game and IMO if he could have played he would have been out there.
I think people are being grossly unfair to him, but probably half the reason they're going on about it is to get some attention for their Twittering.

I love how all these idiots in the NFL who Tweet.... especially when they may not know what they're talking about and just throw speculation out there without anything to back it up.

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Urlacher was ticked in his press conference that people were questioning Cutlers toughness. Bravo to him - seems like a great teammate.


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MoJo saying the Urban Meyer Rule was in effect was hilarious (when the going gets tough, quit).

I mean, it was a little misplaced as Urban has a serious health risk and the medicine apparently dulls him a bit (making him a less effective coach), but it is still hilarious.


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Jay Cutler waited his whole life to get to the NFC championship game




For that reason alone I would think that he would have to be taken off of the field kicking and screaming . People have different levels of pain tolerance and maybe his knee is way to jacked up ..we'll see .

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for what it's worth, his teammates stood up for him after the game.




And that's what teammates are supposed to do, even when they want to say the same things as others are in the media.

I'm not a 100% Cutler quit person. I think I'm 51% he quit and 49% he was really hurt.

Here's the deal why he's going to keep getting blasted for not playing...he's the QB, the leader. When you're the QB, you get all the praise (and money) when your team wins and all the criticism when you lose. Since the fans can't blast his play based on 4 quarters, they will attack him not being there. Fair or not, when you're the QB and the team loses, everything you did or didn't do, regardless of fault, falls on your doorstep.

And you know, Sanders and Irvin had a valid point (as much as I dislike Irvin). We all saw Rivers play on a torn ACL a while back. And Tom Brady played most of the year with a stress fracture in his foot. Perception says he could have played. Reality is still yet to be confirmed.


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you gotta wonder if it was his decision or not... sounds like it was more the medical staff not letting him go back in which if that's the case then what can you do? Of course I can see someone like Favre telling the medical staff to go to hadies and then going back in the game...

I'll be iterested to see what the MRI says.




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According to ESPN cutler torn his MCL in his left knee... will try to find a link.


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Urlacher was ticked in his press conference that people were questioning Cutlers toughness. Bravo to him - seems like a great teammate.




i wouldn't buy that. word around here is that urlacher has never liked cutler... they got into it in jay's first week as a bear.

i personally don't like the guy, but injuries happen. i just wonder about the severity.

we all heard how horrendous lecharles bentley's injury was, the guy couldn't even get up. but then you see philip rivers out there playing playoff games with a knee injury.

i think cutler standing on his own and walking around doesn't look good for him.

i heard the medical staff barely looked at him too, the whole thing is weird.

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According to ESPN cutler torn his MCL in his left knee... will try to find a link.




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Though it's a blog entry. Interesting point though....

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Doctors are still determining the grade of the tear. It’s worth noting that the grade of the MCL tear is significant. A tear can sometimes be another word for “sprain”.




Until it's confirmed, all we know is that he hurt his MCL. If it was a sprain and not a tear, he'll continue to get blasted.


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IMO even if he totally tore it the MCL is the smallest ligament you have and yes it prevents torsion but man this is the NFC championship game... put a brace on and get out there...

my guess is it's not completely torn because he would have heard or felt a pop which i'm sure he would have mentioned... so I'm guessing it's a lower grade sprain but we'll see... either way I actually think if all it was is a MCL sprain then he might have been able to go...

a lot of time though with MCL tears you also will get a meniscal tear because part of the ligament attaches to the minscus... so perhaps it's more than just the MCL.


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IMO even if he totally tore it the MCL is the smallest ligament you have and yes it prevents torsion but man this is the NFC championship game... put a brace on and get out there...




This.

Most have the mentality that if you are truly the best at what you do.. even at 60% you should be okay enough to atleast step on the field and contribute... To make matters worse, you are one game from the Super Bowl.. That opportunity itself doesn't present itself often. Take advantage of it.


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Different injuries. You can't have a QB dropping back on a torn MCL. The MCL is what prevents the knee from buckling inwards (towards the other knee).

Say Cutler toughs it out and the Bears win the game. Are you then going to trot out a QB with a gimpy knee in the Super Bowl?

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Different injuries. You can't have a QB dropping back on a torn MCL. The MCL is what prevents the knee from buckling inwards (towards the other knee).

Say Cutler toughs it out and the Bears win the game. Are you then going to trot out a QB with a gimpy knee in the Super Bowl?




2 weeks isn't a lot of time to heal.. but it's better than nothing.


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I agree - or it's two weeks to get the back up ready

Going to the SB with a hurt QB is better than sitting at home...


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j/c. It appeared that before his knee was even looked at, Cutler was wearing a coat on the sidelines. He wasn't trying to walk it off or even keep it warm. The worst thing you can do is sit and let it stiffen up in that cold weather. It didn't look like he had any intention of coming back into the game. Hopefully the air will clear on this.


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He's a right-handed QB....and most of his throws are off his back foot.

And who cares what happens in the Super Bowl, you play to win the NFC Championship game first. That's two weeks to heal Jay, prepare Caleb, cut Collins, and practice up Hester as a wildcat QB. It doesn't matter....you're there.

I'm sure they'd change how they did a few things yesterday. Keep him in the locker room, wrap his knee, take his pads off, put him on crutches, or visibily take his helmet away to show the fans and media it was a coaching decision to keep him off the field. Heck, it didn't even look like he was helping the other QB's on the sidelines. He was just walking around and watching the game. Sure, he also had that dumb, apathetic look on his face too...but I didn't read much into that because he ALWAYS looks like that.

He was branded a baby and a whiner by his trade demand while in Denver, he never finished above .500 up until this year, he had an awful season last year, and this was his chance to shut all those people up. And nobody saw a play where his knee was twisted or him limp to the sidelines. He threw a pick to end the 1st half and then went to the locker room early. Like DA, there's "Good Jay" and "Bad Jay". "Bad Jay" was playing the first half. He came out in the 2nd half and looked normal making that 3rd down pass. It was short, sure, but he didn't crumble into a heap afterwards. He dropped his head and walked to the sideline. I barely noticed a limp. I did notice the fans booing too.

Again, like Sanders and Irvin said, perception says he was having a bad day and then quit. We'll see how injured that knee really was.


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I think a lot of the grief Cutler is getting is from his general demeanor and body language before he even got hurt. The guy looked like he would rather be just about anywhere else but where he was. I've read people talk about Mark Sanchez's "bad body language" here, but Cutler's is much worse. I hope he's really injured, or his reputation could be ruined.

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I'm not saying they should've thrown in the towel.

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Every person has a different demeanor and different tolerance to pain when injured.

I saw Sanchez get hit on his throwing arm, fumble the ball which the Steelers picked up and ran in for a TD. Sanchez gets up, holding his left elbow, which looked to be barely touched on the tackle and you would think it was broken the way Sanchez reacted on the way to the sidelines.

Next series, Sanchez is back in the game as if nothing had happened. So what happened?...Sanchez looked like his day was done the way he reacted to the pain.

Every type of injury causes a different kind of pain and every person reacts to pain differently.

Cutler gets hit several times in the first half, some of which looked to twist his knee, but Cutler showed no visible pain and no emotion. But, if you watch closely, Cutler's throwing mechanics seem to be off on a few passes just before half time.

Because Cutler did not act like Sanchez did (like his arm was broken) when he was "briefly" hurt, some assume Cutler was not hurt while assuming Sanchez had to be seriously hurt.

Cutler and Sanchez suffered different types of injury which causes a different kind of pain and Sanchez and Cutler reacted differently to the pain from each injury.

I know Cutler's reaction did not look like someone with a serious knee injury, but then again, I have never had a torn mcl and I'm not Cutler...so who am I to judge Cutler?...I might react the same way Cutler did for all I know.

Even though he has a torn mcl, some will not be satisfied unless Cutler has surgery. If Cutler does not go under the knife, some will still question his injury.



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Ironically enough, even the most severe MCL tears generally aren't surgically corrected.

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yes mac. I agree with you 100%. Just because he didn't immediately act like his leg fell off doesn't mean he's not hurt. Jake Delhomme didn't want to come out after he hurt his ankle and we got beat by the Bucs. I think Cutler did the right thing and is getting unfairly blasted. I never liked the guy from the beginning, but I'm definitely not going to say he's a wimp or a quitter.

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I never liked the guy from the beginning, but I'm definitely not going to say he's a wimp or a quitter.




Which is the vibe I'm getting from the crowds trying to lambaste him over this. People are letting hearsay and what they think about him as a person dictate their feelings on it. I think it's laughable how many Monday morning QBs we have here making statements without blinking an eye about, "It's the NFC Championship! If you're at 60% or better you have to be able to go." Come on. I wonder how many of those are the same people blasting Jake when he didn't come out in week one on a high ankle sprain. You don't risk further aggravating a serious knee injury to a franchise quarterback. I'm waiting for more before wrapping this up, but I get headaches from all the internet tough guy babble.


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I think if that was me, you would have to cart me off kicking and screaming. The opportunity to play in the Super Bowl does not come by often. For many players, they are lucky as it can be a once in a lifetime experience.

Comparing Jake to Jay is laughable as they are not on the same level of ability and one was playing in regular season games for a team not expected to make much noise. The other, is a top tier quarterback playing for the chance of a career.


But yes, as it is with all things in life, what something looks like has more validity than what it is.

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So what you're saying is you're a selfish guy who doesn't believe in his teammates?

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yeah something like that . . .

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When I played, I got hurt. A few times no less. Coach Green came over and always asked me one question. Plain and simple.

Coach: "Son, Are you hurt? or are you injured?"
Me: "What do you mean Coach?"
Coach: "If you're hurting, you sit a play and come back in. If you're injured, You're out of the game."
Me: "I'm just hurt Coach."
Coach: *head nod* *pat on the shoulderpads*

I've torn my ACL/MCL, shredded my miniscus and had the cartilage in my knee replaced. (Ironically, I hurt it playing a non-contact sport).

Watching the game yesterday, Cutler quit. Just like LeQuit did.


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What do all the athletes that tweeted have in common? Their asses were on the couch jealous that Jay was in the championship game. The dude ripped his MCL. Not everybody can be a Phillip Rivers.

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