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Aldrick Robinson - WR - SMU (5'10 / 178 lbs)
Guy runs under a 4.4 and will still be there on day 3... He would do very well in the slot. If we address defense mostly, including the first round, bring this guy in!
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I didn't see any extraordinary speed from Green Bay's WRs. They didn't leave defenders in the dust. They didn't burn the defense where defenders were 10 yards off the ball.
Rodgers' passes were pinpoint in most cases. He hit them in stride. He also put the TD passes in the only place they could go. Their OL is good enough to hold the rush off with a spread formation.
Nelson has about 4.5 speed. Jennings ran a 4.46. They're fast, but not "OMG what he hell was that?" fast.
Robiske ran a 4.49 at the combine, for comparison.
Rodgers makes their WRs. If we had their WRs we would still wonder why we can't find WRs like theirs.
One of the biggest problems and disagreements I had with Mangini bringing back his staff intact prior to last season was bringing back George McDonald. We almost lost the WR coach McDonald, to a college team .... then he got permission to pay him even more to get him out of that contract.
I didn't think that he did a very good job with the WRs in the 2009 season, and could never figure out why he was brought back for 2010 .... even when we had an "out". He did nothing that impressed me, and neither did he deliver any improvement from the WR spot.
I do suspect that the WRs will show some significant improvement, especially Robiske, who seems made for the WCO.
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All of GB's WR's have the ability to take it to the house if they get the right pass in stride. I can't say that about any of the Browns receivers outside of Cribbs. Massaquoi doesn't have the wheels.
I'm not going to argue your entire post because I agree with most of it, but Jordy Nelson's best 40 time was 4.49 coming out of college and MoMass was 4.50... is that 1/100th of a second really the difference between the end zone and getting caught?
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Rodgers' passes were pinpoint in most cases. He hit them in stride. He also put the TD passes in the only place they could go. Their OL is good enough to hold the rush off with a spread formation.
A whole lot of this right here. How many strikes did Rodgers put on his guys (especially on slants at 5, 7, 9, and 15 yards) when they had a guy on them?
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Robiske ran a 4.49 at the combine, for comparison.
YT...there is no one by the name of Robiske on the Browns...
The Browns have someone by the name of Robiskie, who ran a 4.59 at the combine...maybe you mean him? 
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This says he ran a 4.49 which is faster than notables Kenny Britt, Mohammed Massaquoi, Michael Crabtree, Hakeem Nicks, Austin Collie, Brandon Tate (!), and Brian Hartline.
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YT...there is no one by the name of Robiske on the Browns...
The Browns have someone by the name of Robiskie, who ran a 4.59 at the combine...maybe you mean him?
Not sure where you got your numbers from but this site, this site, and this site all had Robo at 4.46 or 4.49 in the 40 yard dash at the combine.
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That makes sense, but they messed up there. This page on ESPN has him listed at 4.47
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I got one thing for you: Lighten up. it''s gonna be what it's gonna be.
the question was, can a WCO succeed against a AFCN Defense. and the answer is, yes it can..
There are caviats of course, but generally, executed correctly with talented players,, it can win.
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Does anyone else think its ridiculous that there's conflicting information about this? I mean they can time horse races to a hundredth of a second but when a guy runs it can var by more than a tenth? They've got like 50 million cameras including some robotically synced to the runners, yet they can't give a real time.
I wonder how much of this is due to letting the guys run whenever they want to. Shouldn't there be a "snap count" or something? Isn't reaction to sound important for this?
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I don't see conflicting information.
ESPN just screwed up on the site that mac linked too. Every other site I saw had him listed between 4.46 and 4.49, even further clicking on ESPN showed 4.47.
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I would go so far to say a receiver NEVER makes a QB.
They don't dictate when or where the ball is thrown. They never check in to a new play.
Receivers are about as dime a dozen as it gets on a football field.
All the guy really needs is the ability to catch. If he can do that and has a QB who puts the ball in the catchable zone on a regular basis, you have a superstar.
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There's a huge difference between 40 time speed and on-field football speed. Acceleration also isn't being taken into account. The simple fact of the matter is, Jennings is football fast enough to take a slant and get serious YAC. Massa and Robo are not threats to take one the distance. Are people seriously going over combine results from about two years ago to justify the speed and (nonexistent) explosiveness of our current receiving core?
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The Cardinals also exposed Pitt in the superbowl. You need to pass to set up the run.
well, GB seems to think that you need to pass to setup the pass. 4:1 ratio worked pretty well for them (though I wouldn't want to see the Browns go to that extreme)
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well, GB seems to think that you need to pass to setup the pass. 4:1 ratio worked pretty well for them (though I wouldn't want to see the Browns go to that extreme)
I agree. I was getting upset near the end of the game and they still weren't running. They finally did and it worked.
That is how our NCO will be a bit different. We will still run, though unlike what we did this year, we might pass it 55% of the time.
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That makes sense, but they messed up there.
This page on ESPN has him listed at 4.47
214...the source I used says this...
..." Below is a look at the important times and measurements to come out of the NFL combine in Indianapolis. All times are official unless otherwise noted."...
Robiski's 4.59 might be the time he ran when they were running for "the official time", while the other faster times were "unofficial".
There are some 40 times that are timed by stop watch...but the official 40 time at the combine is electronically-timed.
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I honestly don't know where some sites come up with their 40 times.
Mac is Correct in going with the official Combine times (or Pro Days).
My eyes also see a player with 4.6 (40)speed.
Robiskie has gotten better in his fundamentals I think... and has showed pretty good hands of late, but he will never be more then our #2 in terms of explosive plays. I think that in the end he will prove to be the better of the two 09 2nd round picks.
His biggest problem was with the mental aspects of the game.
(He looked lost in our last offense in the 1st season and a half).
With the Coach's we have on offense
now. I think we will see him turning a corner.
We also need a slot receiver a long with a #1.
Stuckey is a FA
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Fl...I agree..watching Robiskie, he looks to be as fast as his official time.
That said, the 40 times do not define a receivers value, future worth or ability to produce in the NFL.
Just for the heck of it, I went back and looked at Wes Welker's 40 time...4.65. ..40 times are highly overrated, IMO.
Robiskie should thrive in the WCO..
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Cleveland Browns: Can Colt McCoy Become the Next Aaron Rodgers?
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As Super Bowl XLV is now officially in the record books with the Green Bay Packers defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers 31-25, all the talk has been about the sensational performance of Green Bay Packers quarterback and Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers.
The young passer simply sizzled during the NFL post-season so far, throwing for 1,092 yards, nine touchdowns, and only two interceptions in leading the Packers to an impressive Super Bowl XLV victory.
While Rodgers has had a real breakout post-season, the inevitable question is, who is the next Aaron Rodgers in 2011?
Is the next Rodgers already in school on some random roster waiting to be discovered? Maybe he's already playing in the NFL?
While that remains to be seen, you have to know what you're looking for. Preferably a West Coast offense quarterback who is mobile, accurate, slight of build, and who plays in a pro-offense. This athlete must establish a knack for making intelligent and accurate throws along with the ability to make plays with his legs.
While he must not have Drew Bledsoe-like arm strength, he must at least show the football knowledge of Steve Young. Which brings me to Cleveland Browns quarterback, Colt McCoy.
With the recent hiring of Pat Shurmur they, much like Rodger's Packers, will be running the West Coast offense.
And while McCoy and Rodgers are in different points of their careers, both are relatively young and still in their 20's as Rodgers is 27 and McCoy is 24.
Depending on what Cleveland does in the off-season, Colt McCoy has the opportunity to do what former back-ups in Houston Texans quarterback, Matt Schaub, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback, Matt Cassel and even fellow West Coast quarterback and former Mike Holmgren protege, Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle did and that is watch and learn for the sidelines.
Schaub backed up Michael Vick in Atlanta, Cassel backed up Tom Brady in New England, and Hasselback backed up Brett Favre in Green Bay.
And when all three of these QB's had the opportunity placed in front of them, they ran with it, which is what McCoy needs to do.
McCoy, like Rodgers, sat on the bench backing up a veteran quarterback. While Rodgers had the luxury of learning from Brett Favre, McCoy was forced into action after starting quarterbacks, Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace both suffered high ankle sprains.
Both quarterbacks are around the same height and build, as Rodgers is 6'2 and 225 pounds, while McCoy is 6'1 and 216.
They also both possess the ability to continue plays with their feet, as Rodgers was the second leading rusher on the Packers with 356 yards rushing. He also led the Packers in rushing touchdowns with four.
Colt McCoy was the second leading rusher on the Browns with 136 yards rushing. McCoy was also second in rushing touchdowns with one, behind running back Peyton Hillis' eleven.
Rodgers has the advantage of having better talent such as running back, Ryan Grant and tight end Jermichael Finley and a far superior wide receiver corps in Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and James Jones than McCoy. He also has had better coaching to learn from in Mike McCarthy.
McCoy has already shown the intangibles and capacity needed to be a extremely talented West Coast-style quarterback, and if Cleveland can surround him with proper coaching, some competent play-calling, and some top-level talent, then McCoy and Rodgers will have more in common than just their jersey number.
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While he must not have Drew Bledsoe-like arm strength, he must at least show the football knowledge of Steve Young. Which brings me to Cleveland Browns quarterback, Colt McCoy.
Uhh.... Rogers slings rockets out there. That's something Colt will likely never do. They're not the same player.
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ntm Finley was on IR basically all year with a torn knee.
yes, I did like that his first 2 choices for better talent were both out for alot of this season (Grant and Finley)
Finley is an amazing weapon though. That dude is ridiculous in the redzone.
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Uhh.... Rogers slings rockets out there. That's something Colt will likely never do. They're not the same player.
That laser shot he sent to Jennings at the goal line was illishly off the hook.
All Polamalu could do was try to separate him from the ball after the catch because it got there so fast. Freakish good pass.
That said, Colt may not have to be a Rogers clone to work well for us, so long as the schemes/talent pool are there.
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I've actually heard a few comparisons of Rodgers to Colt on local sports radio and while I don't trust it completely I wanted to bring it up with you guys to see what you all think.
A lot of the buzz about Rodgers was that his arm was questionable and whether or not it could hold up in the cold and windy Lambeau ... does anyone here remember him having a "weak" or "questionable" arm? And if so, did you see improvement on it?
Point is that Colt could still put on 10 to 15 pounds in the next 6 to 8 months and some of that could be in the form of arm strength.
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I do remember Colt having some good zip on his passes earlier in the year. For some reason, that seemed to peeter out for the last couple games.
That being said, and this is just a guess, but I don't think I'll ever mistake a Colt McCoy pass for an Aaron Rodgers pass (even if Colt can improve his long ball during the next year or so). Rodgers can really bust out the cannon. Guy can throw a ball on a rope while in an all-out sprint. Simply amazing.
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I remember the biggest negative about him was that all the other Tedford QB's failed in the NFL and that he had a funky release. Thought his arm strength was one of his +'s. Here's one site that says he had the best arm in the draft, but they don't even spell his name right (harder to find scouting reports from 2005 now): http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/aaronrogers.htm
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I've actually heard a few comparisons of Rodgers to Colt on local sports radio and while I don't trust it completely I wanted to bring it up with you guys to see what you all think.
A lot of the buzz about Rodgers was that his arm was questionable and whether or not it could hold up in the cold and windy Lambeau ... does anyone here remember him having a "weak" or "questionable" arm? And if so, did you see improvement on it?
Point is that Colt could still put on 10 to 15 pounds in the next 6 to 8 months and some of that could be in the form of arm strength.
I honestly don't remember any reports from his draft class that would indicate there was concern about his arm strength.. I do remember that the concensus before the draft was that, in terms of QB's it came down to him and Alex Smith and Smith was supposed to be the better of the two guys..
I do remember that the announcers covering the draft were saying after Rogers was drafted 22nd by the Packers that the reason he fell was that his accuracy came into question... WOW.. can you imagine that.
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Cleveland Browns: Can Colt McCoy Become the Next Aaron Rodgers?
By Robert Cobb
As Super Bowl XLV is now officially in the record books with the Green Bay Packers defeating the Pittsburgh Steelers 31-25, all the talk has been about the sensational performance of Green Bay Packers quarterback and Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers.
The young passer simply sizzled during the NFL post-season so far, throwing for 1,092 yards, nine touchdowns, and only two interceptions in leading the Packers to an impressive Super Bowl XLV victory.
While Rodgers has had a real breakout post-season, the inevitable question is, who is the next Aaron Rodgers in 2011?
Is the next Rodgers already in school on some random roster waiting to be discovered? Maybe he's already playing in the NFL?
While that remains to be seen, you have to know what you're looking for. Preferably a West Coast offense quarterback who is mobile, accurate, slight of build, and who plays in a pro-offense. This athlete must establish a knack for making intelligent and accurate throws along with the ability to make plays with his legs.
While he must not have Drew Bledsoe-like arm strength, he must at least show the football knowledge of Steve Young. Which brings me to Cleveland Browns quarterback, Colt McCoy.
With the recent hiring of Pat Shurmur they, much like Rodger's Packers, will be running the West Coast offense.
And while McCoy and Rodgers are in different points of their careers, both are relatively young and still in their 20's as Rodgers is 27 and McCoy is 24.
Depending on what Cleveland does in the off-season, Colt McCoy has the opportunity to do what former back-ups in Houston Texans quarterback, Matt Schaub, Kansas City Chiefs quarterback, Matt Cassel and even fellow West Coast quarterback and former Mike Holmgren protege, Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle did and that is watch and learn for the sidelines.
Schaub backed up Michael Vick in Atlanta, Cassel backed up Tom Brady in New England, and Hasselback backed up Brett Favre in Green Bay.
And when all three of these QB's had the opportunity placed in front of them, they ran with it, which is what McCoy needs to do.
McCoy, like Rodgers, sat on the bench backing up a veteran quarterback. While Rodgers had the luxury of learning from Brett Favre, McCoy was forced into action after starting quarterbacks, Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace both suffered high ankle sprains.
Both quarterbacks are around the same height and build, as Rodgers is 6'2 and 225 pounds, while McCoy is 6'1 and 216.
They also both possess the ability to continue plays with their feet, as Rodgers was the second leading rusher on the Packers with 356 yards rushing. He also led the Packers in rushing touchdowns with four.
Colt McCoy was the second leading rusher on the Browns with 136 yards rushing. McCoy was also second in rushing touchdowns with one, behind running back Peyton Hillis' eleven.
Rodgers has the advantage of having better talent such as running back, Ryan Grant and tight end Jermichael Finley and a far superior wide receiver corps in Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and James Jones than McCoy. He also has had better coaching to learn from in Mike McCarthy.
McCoy has already shown the intangibles and capacity needed to be a extremely talented West Coast-style quarterback, and if Cleveland can surround him with proper coaching, some competent play-calling, and some top-level talent, then McCoy and Rodgers will have more in common than just their jersey number.
In checking out the site, it seems the place is run by Browns fans.
Good read, but I do have to discount it a bit since nearly everybody is listed as a avid browns fan....including the author.
No doubt some good points were made, but there is a bit of homerism behind the analysis, making it a little less than a unbiased report.
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that article is horrible for so many reasons..
main one is how the writer trys to portrait this image that Colt has been on the bench for seasons now. He played his first season... all the other QB's they mentioned for the most part didn't.. They really had to wait..
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cruz...some are questioning Colt's arm strength compared to Rogers.
It might be too soon to compare Colt's arm strength to Rogers given the fact that Colt played with an injury the entire season. Once he is over his injury and has a year or two to mature, then fans will have a better idea about Colt's arm strength.
Arm strength at this stage of his career might be a little over-hyped.
The following was written about Joe Montana, coming out of college...
...Graduation and the NFL Draft
Montana graduated from Notre Dame with a degree in business administration and marketing. Although the NFL Combine was not formed until 1982, NFL scouts still evaluated potential draftees through the use of combines in 1979. Candidates were rated in a number of categories on a scale of one to nine, with one being the worst mark and nine being the best mark. The categories they used were contingent on the position that the athlete played.
Despite his performance on the field, Montana was not rated highly by most scouts. At one combine, Montana rated out as six-and-a-half overall with a six in arm strength, used to judge how hard and how far a prospect could throw the ball. By comparison, Jack Thompson of Washington State University rated an eight, the highest grade amongst eligible quarterbacks.
In the 1979 NFL Draft, the San Francisco 49ers selected Montana in the third round with the 82nd overall pick.....
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Gotcha - thanks to all you guys for the info on Rodgers ... I know I looked around and can't find much .. on a side note it is funny to see one of the reasons that came up that he wouldn't go first overall was he wasn't "Tall enough" or "mobile enough" ...
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Well, we already have a capable pass-catching RB (Peyton Hillis) and a WCO QB (Colt McCoy) and capable TEs (Evan Moore and the aging Ben Watson) on the roster. With that said, I'm not convinced that we currently have the tools at the WR position to fully take advantage of these pieces.
I think that our draft choices need to take that into consideration and make sure that we fill the need at the WR spot and we'll be set.
Of course, some pieces on the defense are definitely useful but overall, I'm impressed with most of the pieces that we have there. If you take a look at our games from last season, we only had the advantage in TOP in a couple of those games. The only game that we had a considerable edge was in the NE game (a 17 minute advantage). In several of the others that we lost, we had considerable deficits in TOP (notably the Jets - 20 minute deficit, Cincy #2 - 16 minutes, Buffalo - 12:30 minutes, Putzburgh #2, 7 minutes, KC - 6:30 minutes). In an odd occurrence, we had an 11 minute deficit against New Orleans but still won because of two defensive TDs.
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