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His mother is a US citizen. If his mother is a US citizen, then so is he, no matter where he was born.
We have a winner!
I read up on natural born citizens after reading this thread (curiosity and all). All of the reading tells me that as long as the mother is a US citizen, then the baby is considered a US citizen by birth, no matter where he or she is born.
If only the father is a US citizen, it does not automatically make the baby a US citizen. Dad will have to jump through a couple hoops to make it happen. I suppose it's because it's easier to prove who the Mother is (she'd be the one giving birth) whereas, until a DNA test is given, anyone can be said to be the Father.
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So, show the birth certificate. If it's moot, it's moot. Shutting up the birthers would be worth it.
Doesn't need a birth certificate in this case. Just the fact that his Mother is a US citizen makes him one....no matter where he was born.
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I have TONS of disagreements with this President and this White House. I disagree with damn near every policy they promote.
This kind of stuff just takes away from focusing on the important issues. It makes the President personally sympathetic. It moves public opinion from policy to "enough already!" on unimportant crap.
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I searched too and found the same as you. However, why not just show the damn certificate. Good Lord, not everyone is going to research this. Just prove it and end it. Here is the Wiki link for citizenship Citizenship Excerpt: Quote:
Birth abroad to one United States citizen
A person born on or after November 14, 1986, is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[7]
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.
A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.
Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true [7]:
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
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I agree he has better things to do, but take 5 minutes and show people to end the controversy. Being a software engineer I take logic too far sometimes I guess and simplify things to black and white. I really do thin he is a citizen, but just end the publishing of these articles by showing it.
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Why would he want to end the debate?
a) he comes off looking good
b) it distracts from real issues
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I don't understand? A copy was released during the campaign.Google Obama
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Why would he want to end the debate?
a) he comes off looking good
b) it distracts from real issues
I guess. As I said my logic takes over and I don't think from a political standpoint like that which is why I would never make a good politician.
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I don't understand? A copy was released during the campaign.Google Obama
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That document isn't the true birth certificate - it is a certificate of live birth which is different from what I understand.
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OK YTown and Babe...what you are saying is true...having a mother that is a US citizen would make him a "citizen" regardless of where he is born. However the problem is....the requirement states he must be a "natural born citizen". This means he must be born on US soil.
This was also the issue with John McCain who was born on a Naval Base in Panama. Opponents tried to state he was ineligible because they felt they had proof he was born in a "civilian" hospital in Panama and not the Naval Base which is considered US Soil.
It just so happens that Obama was born in a state that was just accepted into the Union and was still adjusting its records and such at the time of his birth. If you are a conspiracy theorist....that is pretty convenient. There is also the issue where I believe Obama filed for passports under a Brittish citizenship when he was younger....and so that adds fuel to the fire. I am not saying he is not natural born....But I am also not going to say that these "birthers" don't have cause for their actions.
Unfortunately, courts have ruled that Private citizens do not have "standing" to challenge the eligibility of Presidential candidates. Understandably so...we would never be able to get anyone elected. The courts would be packed for years going through frivolous claims. But I do think there needs to be a process for the private citizen to have his concerns addressed.
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State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.
If I were O, I'd give permission - in fact I'd demand they release the birth certificate. That would end all speculation. Kinda odd that he doesn't do that in my opinion. I mean, if there's still a question, why not knock it out?
Why? those that don't believe him now, will find a way to justify not beliving him even if he takes Mr' Peabodys place and transports the non-believer back in time in the Wayback Machine.
That's not true. Some maybe, but not all.
I'd like to see a actual document.
Since this has been pressed as a issue, you wouldn't like to see it end and have the guy release a actual birth document??
I don't think he has one .
If wrong, cool, I can admit it to being wrong
You can admit it,, I know.. But damn peen, you and I both know that more than "a few" would question it no matter what..
Hell Peen, I was born in Uniontown PA, I have a birth Cert (original) but for a while it was lost in some papers my dad had and I needed one. The only thing I could get was a certified copy.
Obamas people provided a certified copy of a Record of Live Birth on him and it's not being accepted..
I mean,, look at it now, you know damn well that the Secret service, media and probably a half dozen or more agencies and private entities have looked at this and yet, not one shred of evidence to the contrary.
No No,, there are more than just " A Few" that won't accept it no matter what you show them as proof.
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I take exception, if true, in your interpretation in the McCain case. His father and mother were both U.S. citizens, Dad an active duty Naval officer at the time. I don't think it should have mattered if McC had not been born aboard the base however,...I question that the term natural born has to be a birth on U.S. soil though, .... is this true ? That would mean if you were, for example, stationed in a foreign country, say for example with the State Dpartment in Mombasa, and your wife -- born in Keokuk, Iowa -- gave birth in that country to a son OFF embassy grounds, that the boy would not be eligible to become President. If so, then that provision of the Constitution needs changed. Suppose your wife gives birth while you're on a cruise to Greece ?
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There is also the issue where I believe Obama filed for passports under a Brittish citizenship when he was younger..
I must be living under a rock or something, I hadn't heard that before..
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This means he must be born on US soil.
Well, that's one interpretation.
I happen to believe that the Founders' intent was not to disqualify US citizens born to parents serving their country. It states that a President must be "natural born", which means literally that he cannot be someone who is naturalized.He must be born a citizen, whether because they are born within the territorial limits of the country, or to parents who are US citizens no matter where the child is born.
Do you realize that your interpretation allows for illegal immigrants to have a child grow up to be President, yet the child of a US serviceman who was born abroad would be denied that same right. I do not believe that this was the intent of the founders, especially as there was a great deal of diplomatic travel in those days that would take years and years, and a man like Adams, (for example) who spent a great deal of time in Europe negotiating for help from the French, and then for a just treaty to end the war, would have his children banned from serving as President if he had remained in foreign diplomatic service. (I realize that he returned after the war, but the point remains that his example would point to a different intention)
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Granted it is from Wikipedia But for the most part you can look it up elsewhere and find the same thing... John McCain (born 1936), who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and was the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station[33][46][47][48][49][50][51] in the Panama Canal Zone. McCain never released his birth certificate to the press or independent fact checking organizations, but did show it to Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs: "A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter Dobbs a copy of the senator's birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital."[48] A lawsuit filed by Fred Hollander in 2008 alleged that McCain was actually born in a civilian hospital in Colon City, Panama.[52][53] Dobbs wrote that in his autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain wrote that he was born "in the Canal Zone" at the U.S. Naval Air Station in Coco Solo, which was under the command of his grandfather, John S. McCain Sr. "The senator's father, John S. McCain Jr., was an executive officer on a submarine, also based in Coco Solo. His mother, Roberta McCain, now 96, has vivid memories of lying in bed listening to raucous celebrations of her son's birth from the nearby officers' club. The birth was announced days later in the English-language Panamanian American newspaper."[54][55][56][57] The former unincorporated territory of the Panama Canal Zone and its related military facilities were not regarded as United States territory at the time,[58] but 8 U.S.C. § 1403, which became law in 1937, retroactively conferred citizenship on individuals born within the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and on individuals born in the Republic of Panama on or after that date who had at least one U.S. citizen parent employed by the U.S. government or the Panama Railway Company; 8 U.S.C. § 1403 was cited in Judge Alsup's 2008 ruling, described below. A paper by former Solicitor General Ted Olson and Harvard Law Professor Laurence H. Tribe published in March 2008 opined that McCain was eligible for the Presidency.[59] In April 2008 the U.S. Senate approved a non-binding resolution recognizing McCain's status as a natural born citizen.[60] In September 2008 U.S. District Judge William Alsup stated obiter in his ruling that it is "highly probable" that McCain is a natural born citizen from birth by virtue of 8 U.S.C. § 1401, although he acknowledged the alternative possibility that McCain became a natural born citizen retroactively, by way of 8 U.S.C. § 1403.[61] These views have been criticized by Gabriel J. Chin, Professor of Law at the University of Arizona, who argues that McCain was at birth a citizen of Panama and was only retroactively declared a born citizen under 8 U.S.C. § 1403, because at the time of his birth and with regard to the Canal Zone the Supreme Court's Insular Cases overruled the Naturalization Act of 1795, which would otherwise have declared McCain a U.S. citizen immediately at birth.[62] The US Foreign Affairs Manual states that children born in the Panama Canal Zone at certain times became U.S. nationals without citizenship.[63] It also states in general that "it has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen […]".[64] In Rogers v. Bellei the Supreme Court only ruled that "children born abroad of Americans are not citizens within the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment", and didn't elaborate on the natural born status.[65][66] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
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Same page and concerning Obama...
Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from what was then the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom (which became the independent country of Kenya in 1963). Before and after the 2008 presidential election, arguments were made that he is not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents, including these challenges to his eligibility.[67] The most prominent issue raised against Obama was the claim made in several lawsuits that he was not actually born in Hawaii. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii,[68] but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship status at birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.[69] The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction. Some of the cases have been dismissed because of the plaintiff's lack of standing.[30] On July 28, 2009, Hawaii Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino issued a statement saying, "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen."[70] On July 27, 2009, the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.Res. 593, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood, including the text, "Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961."[71] The vote passed 378-0.[72
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I believe, as I stated in the other thread, that this clause means that you must be a natural born citizen, essentially that you cannot be naturalized through the INS and become a citizen, and then become President.
You r example would allow for the illegal child of an illegal immigrant born on US soil to be President ..... but would have the legal child of 2 legal parents serving on a US mlitary base overseas disqualified from ever being able to serve as President.
I cannot, and do not believe that this was the intent of the Founders, and that is why they used the term "natural born", because a natural born citizen cannot be naturalized. (unless they gave uo their citizenship, and then applied to get it back, I suppose)
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Not if that child was born on that military base or on the embassy grounds.
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Concerning Adams....there is a grandfather clause in the the natural born requirement...which is talked about on the web page....But I do believe had he had children abroad after the formation of the USA, then you are correct, they would not be allowed to be President. Because I think it was also meant to protect against dual citizenships...not just naturalized citizens.
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Actually I said that wrong, Daman...there were suspicions that he used a Brittish passport when he was younger. He talked about a trip to Pakistan in 1981 when he was 20....and the assertion was that there was a NO TRAVEL ban for US citizens at that time to Pakistan(remember this was right around the time of the Iranian Hostage situation)...so he either used a Brittish passport or Indonesian Passport(as he was in Indonesia visiting his mother at the time) But it has been stated since that there was a Travel Warning and Not a No Travel ban for Pakistan and an American Passport could have been used.
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I think that someone took "natural born" to mean "born on US soil" .... when what I take it to mean is "Born a US citizen, not subject to requiring naturalization". Obviously there is gray area here ... but again, I cannot believe that the intent of the Founders was to allow for children of those here illegally to be allowed to run for President while excluding the children of legal US citizens who might wbe working abroad for any number of reasons that would help advance the interests of the United States. I also don't know that the question has been answered ..... having punditry using it as a talking point rather than serious legal arguments. If the President must be born on US soil, then neither McCain nor Romney would have been eligible. Here is how a citizen is defined "at birth"....... there is no definition for a natural born citizen, so all of this is speculation that must go back to the intent of the founders, which would likely be found in the definitions for citizenship at birth ...... http://uspolitics.about.com/od/politicaljunkies/a/natural_citizen.htmTitle 8, Section 1401 of the U.S. Code defines a national and citizen of the United States "at birth". Note that this legal definition does not include the phrase "natural born." a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
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Obviously there is gray area here ... but again, I cannot believe that the intent of the Founders was to allow for children of those here illegally to be allowed to run for President while excluding the children of legal US citizens who might wbe working abroad for any number of reasons that would help advance the interests of the United States.
You are correct, it was not. I'm fairly certain (though it's been a while since I've looked at the literature) that the "natural born" clause was included to prevent a European monarch from immigrating to America and being elected president. Which, while it sounds strange now, could have been a real threat at the time.
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I always thought the same thing about "born" vs "naturallized" Status..
Now I'm questioning which is what was meant?
Either way, it appears that an official of the State of Hawaii has said he's seen the document and Obama was born in the USA to a US citizen Mother and a British Citizen father. he was raised by his mother and her parents (all US Citizens born on US Soil)
As far as I'm concerned, that plus the punishing and exhaustive vetting that goes on by both several agencies of the Federal Government and the media outlets, not to mention privatly funded research. that Obama is a US Citizen by birth.
I think you have to add one more thing into the equation. If Republican leadership could, in any way, shape or form, prove that he wasn't a US Citizen, don't you think they would have? it's in thier best interest to prove it if they can.
(keep in mind, if they do prove it, there will still be a faction out there that will say they are wrong even if you show them video of his mom giving birth in Nairobi)
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If such a video existed and SHE is indeed a U.S. citizen (?) then it's all good.  I'll skip watching the video though,.... I am presuming it is all good unless proof is shown otherwise. That there is a reasonable doubt, or, that the doubt is even reasonable, remains a question. The local Home Depot has recently gone to the lengths of requiring proof of military status to receive store discounts AT EVERY purchase ( -- I am there every day -- ) and I do this without fail, without offense, without question, even though I am a recognized, faithful and honest customer.
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OK YTown and Babe...what you are saying is true...having a mother that is a US citizen would make him a "citizen" regardless of where he is born. However the problem is....the requirement states he must be a "natural born citizen". This means he must be born on US soil.
No, by his Mother being a citizen, no matter where he is born he is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. At least according to the several sites I took a poke at yesterday.
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WRONG..........
NO WHERE in ANY document does it state as such.....the ONLY document that states "Natural Born Citizen" is the Constitution as it applies to the requirements of President....and if you would take the time to read the web page I posted....That has been determined by Common Law...and that has been in place for more than 300 years.......and that at the time the Constitution was written was English Common Law......
Since the Constitution does not specify what the requirements are to be a "citizen" or a "natural born citizen", the majority adopted the common law of England:
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It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.
Now I agree there is a gray area.......I fully agree. But in every document including the 14th amendment, the terms that have been used are specifically WITHOUT the term "natural born". and "natural born" is a stipulation of the Constitution.
I didn't write it....LOL I am only relaying what the courts have ruled upon it....
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But since the Constitution doesn't define what a natural born citizen is, it is up to the branches of the Government to determine that. Here is how a natural born citizen is defined by Quote:
Title 8 of the U.S. Code. It fills in the gap left by the Constitution in defining the term "citizens of the United States at birth".
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
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For lack of a better ruling, I'll go with the US Code definition, since none of us were sitting in the room with the Founding Fathers to know EXACTLY what they meant. We all have to abide by the current prevailing rules, and the US Code defines those rules on citizenship.
FYI~I am neither an Obama supporter or opponent. I didn't vote for McCain OR Obama, just trying to understand prevailing rules/laws. I figure if the Feds haven't come out and said that Obama doesn't meet the requirements, then he must meet them. As for why Obama won't just show the birth certificate...why should he? (certainly seems he meets the criteria, unless it's shown that his Mother wasn't a citizen - then we start over) Obama's distracting his opponents by making them feel that this is a consistent issue that they continue to bring up. Instead of allowing them to concentrate on the more important issues - the economy, etc. The so called "birthers" are their own worst enemy in regards to this issue..
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That is NOT how a "natural born citizen" is defined....no where in there does it say "natural born citizen"....That is how a "citizen at birth" is decribed.
To you it is one and the same...and it may be semantics....but in the legal system semantics is EVERYTHING.
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These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
As they should be,...this was my concern over the McCain "non-issue."
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WRONG..........
NO WHERE in ANY document does it state as such.....the ONLY document that states "Natural Born Citizen" is the Constitution as it applies to the requirements of President....and if you would take the time to read the web page I posted....That has been determined by Common Law...and that has been in place[color=white] for more than 300 years.......and that at the time the Constitution was written was English Common Law......
Just pointing out the U.S. has only been a country for 235 years if you go by the 1776 date (even though realistically it was closer to the 1790's).
Either way, it comes down to the fact that he is a citizen. He is President. This argument makes folks look foolish. He does enough (as does every President) to argue on his policy/actions. Leave the silliness at the door.
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You didn't do much reading did you??? Common Law of England (which was in place at the time of the writing of the Constitution and what many scholars believe natural born citizen comes from) has been in place for well over 300 years. And that is what has been referred to for basis ....even now...of determining the meaning of "natural born citizen". I am NOT disputing whether or not Obama is natural born or not...I am simply passing along information I have gathered as to rulings concerning the term "natural born citizen" So I don't know what the heck you are talking about when you are saying my argument is silly....I am NOT arguing ANYTHING concerning Obama.......the only thing I might be arguing is the interpretation of term "natural born citizen" which in this case has been ruled upon several times in the courts. So if anything your premise concerning my argument is what is silly. 
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Just to put an end to this.....
I know friends of his and his mother. It's not an issue. End of debate.
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And to the people who said that this was a constructed issue to get real grievances buried....that's true in my opinion. This is simply noise under which other issues can go under the radar.
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