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ShareEmailPrintWed Jan 26 05:20am EST Nationals eyeing Indians' Sizemore or Carmona By Mark J. Miller With less than a month before spring training, the Cleveland Indians' Grady Sizemore(notes) or Fausto Carmona(notes) may need to change their travel plans. MASN reports that the Washington Nationals have had conversations with the Tribe front office about trading for Carmona or Sizemore. Carmona, who went 13-14 last season with a 3.77 ERA, is under contract with the Indians till 2014. He'd be a nice addition to the Nationals' rotation that also recently added Tom Gorzelanny(notes) through a trade with the Chicago Cubs. Sizemore, who will make $7.5 million this season and has a $8.5 million club option for 2012, has had a couple of injury-filled seasons. He's hoping to be healthy in 2011. Last year, he hit .211 with no homers and 13 RBIs in the 33 games he played. But the 28-year-old is also a three-time All-Star, the last time being in 2008. That year, he also won a Silver Slugger Award and a Gold Glove. He hit 33 homers that year along with 90 RBIs and 38 stolen bases. Don't forget to follow Scoop du Jour on Twitter or Facebook. Source: MASN http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Nationals-eyeing-Indians-Sizemore-or-Carmona?urn=mlb-312589------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there any way we can trade the Dolans?
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Carmona is locked into a team-friendly deal for the next 4 seasons. He is going nowhere.
Sizemore is coming off a knee injury with a big contract. He could be our next Hafner and likely has no trade value.
Washington called, we listened, but obviously nothing happened especially since their farm system is anemic.
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I do not comment much on the Indians though I have been a fan since I was a kid. It just seems so obvious to me that the problem with the Indians is ownership and until that changes, we will continue to see "business" moves (trades) as opposed "baseball" moves.
Until the Indians are rescued by a new owner who with deep pockets, willing to spend the necessary money to compete, the franchise is doomed to mediocrity...jmho
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mac, the old ownership, manager, and coaches are gone and aren't coming back.
You can either support the Indians and Mr Dolan or there are 29 other teams out there looking for part time fans .... your choice.
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So it is like Dolan = Brown? We very seldom get to see the Tribe anymore thanks to TW Cable. Our cable here had a Cleveland feed, but it is not even offered with TW, just like NFL is broadcast by whimsy. We seem to have had many more blackouts of Browns last few. TW has been good about cutting in the preseason. Just aggravating to pay for what I do not get allowed to view. In a monopoly area, I think all major sports like football and baseball and basketball should be available. Not the best. I root the Tribe, but we gget about zero coverage. May be a blessing that, at second look. 
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Actually, it's just using mac's exact wording about Browns fans not being "allowed" to be Browns fans if they don't agree 100% with each and every move the Demo .... err .... I mean Holmgren makes. I have noticed a pattern here though ...... and I worry about the day, should it ever happen ..... when Holmgren is fired. If it would happen to coincide with a Republican being elected President, and the Republicans taking back the Senate, mac would melt down so fast that Chernobyl would look like a weekend weinie roast by comparison. 
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Kudos for dragging politics into a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with it!
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YTown, let it go man.
About the Tribe... why wouldn't they at least listen to people about Sizemore? I don't think there's a chance he's in Cleveland post deadline... eithere he has a solid first half and someone comes calling or someone bets he's gonna have a solid first half and makes a call now - if you're the Indians I think the only thing you consider is if you can afford to keep him till the deadline as he'll probably get hurt again by then.
At some point, the Indians are gonna have to weigh the negatives of trading in the public's eye though, and I think Carmona would be that guy that if they traded the backlash would be astronomical. Sizemore is a fan favorite - but often injured and probably already peaked... Carmona is a fan favorite at a position of need and still coming into his prime years - you CAN'T trade him at this point.
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i said a few years ago that sizemore would get dealt, however i think the money and the fact that he's apparently still not healthy would keep teams away.
i still can't stand the ownership of the indians, but i am going to try and suport the team more than i did last year. they aren't the ones shortchanging fans, so i am gonna stick behind them.
they probably still won't be very good but i think 2 years removed from the lee trade and 3 from the cc trade, we should start seeing some kind of results with the players they've gotten.
hoping for the best for manny acta. i like the guy.
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Actually, it's just using mac's exact wording about Browns fans not being "allowed" to be Browns fans if they don't agree 100% with each and every move the Demo .... err .... I mean Holmgren makes. :
Correct. 100%. Mac has stated numerous times exactly what you stated.
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Actually, it's just using mac's exact wording about Browns fans not being "allowed" to be Browns fans if they don't agree 100% with each and every move the Demo .... err .... I mean Holmgren makes.
I have noticed a pattern here though ...... and I worry about the day, should it ever happen ..... when Holmgren is fired. If it would happen to coincide with a Republican being elected President, and the Republicans taking back the Senate, mac would melt down so fast that Chernobyl would look like a weekend weinie roast by comparison.
Get a life and quit trying to turn every freaking tailgate thread into one a political bickering match. We all get it,and we all know MACs history in political threads. Lets keep that in the numerous political threads you start every week.
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Lets keep that in the numerous political threads you start every week.
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With less than a month before spring training, the Cleveland Indians' Grady Sizemore(notes) or Fausto Carmona(notes) may need to change their travel plans. MASN reports that the Washington Nationals have had conversations with the Tribe front office about trading for Carmona or Sizemore.
I didn't see this thread!
As a Yankee fan, I hope Brian Cashman is making some phone calls to your Indians.
I'd love Grady Sizemore (I've always said the Yanks would get him. He's my fav player on the Indians), and Carmona might be just what our pitching staff needs, especially since Petite probably won't play until mid season if he plays at all!
CC, Hughs, Carmona, and Burnett would work.
And Sizemore would be great in the outfield with Gardner and Granderson. Swisher as depth and 1st base depth. It would work Great!
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I saw this yesterday online. Sizemore is only 28 and, if healthy, should be in the midst of his prime years. Having said that, however, the Tribe has a fair amount of outfiled talent behind Grady and, if the deal is right for us, moving him would not hurt too badly. Of course, the usual bad PR will come from trading away a fan favorite, but that's life here in Cleveland (and other mid-market cities).
Trading Carmona away, however, would be a HUGE error. Somebody has to anchor the rotation and he's probably the best we have. As it has already been pointed out, we have him signed to a team-friendly deal and there is no good reason (particularly when you look at the National's farm system) to consider moving him. If our management is that stupid then they should be slammed (and hard). JMHO
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They can have either one for Bryce Harper, or both if they throw in Strasburg (even after TJ surgery). Otherwise, take a hike, they have nothing I'd want.
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Actually, it's just using mac's exact wording about Browns fans not being "allowed" to be Browns fans if they don't agree 100% with each and every move the Demo .... err .... I mean Holmgren makes. :
Correct. 100%. Mac has stated numerous times exactly what you stated.
I think that was the point. 
Actually, I would entertain offers for Sizemore.
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Lets keep that in the numerous political threads you start every week.
I've over and over convinced myself I'm done with baseball and its rigged system but post an article on the Indians and like Ytown and politics I just can't let it go.
Given the current state of the team, go ahead and trade them.We have already seen the worst. At least they are not Cy Young winners. It's kinda fun watching players develop even if you can't have a winner.
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you do realize that all Indians fans stop reading your posts at this point, right?
go talk about vulturing our players with some Yankee fans. not really good manners to rub our faces in it.
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They can have either one for Bryce Harper, or both if they throw in Strasburg (even after TJ surgery). Otherwise, take a hike, they have nothing I'd want.
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If they don't wanna talk after we bring those names up just hang up the phone...
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Actually, it's just using mac's exact wording about Browns fans not being "allowed" to be Browns fans if they don't agree 100% with each and every move the Demo .... err .... I mean Holmgren makes. :
Correct. 100%. Mac has stated numerous times exactly what you stated.
My quote is almost an exact quote of what mac stated in a football post ...... with the names and teams changes to fit,.
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well, if it's Carmona that they want, then it might not be a joke. their system isn't exactly chock full of 2nd tier prospects we can lump together.
if it's Sizemore, i'm sure we could work something out (spoken in a sleazy used-auto sales guy voice while pushing a fallen rusted muffler behind a tire)
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I really haven't paid much attention to the indians since Jacobs sold them to dolan and the dismantling began.
Jacobs did it right, he hired John Hart, laid out a plan to develop the farm system and grew a lot of thier own guys. Some were brought up (belle and thome) and some were used to get guys for the future and a guy like Joe Carter was traded for guys like Alomar and Baerga and others.
Jacobs wasn't afraid to spend money to build talent and retain it. The Dolans won't spend enough to retain it when the get it.
People in cleveland proved they would support the indians if they are good. even above average.. what was it, 400 and some straight sell outs at jacobs field? Indians gear flying off the shelves. Indian Mania was rampant with a decent team..
The Dolans don't see to care. Apparently they are happy to just say, we own a MLB team.
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I hope this is a joke.
We haven't seen anything out of our trading of 2 Cy Young winners & an all star catcher. If we can't get top prospects from other teams for all stars that we still have under control for multiple years then hold onto them and take the 2 first rounders we'll get for either one when they leave in free agency.
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Especially true when we traded Lee "a year early" so we could reap the benefits of him still being under contract for that extra year ..... so we could "clean a team out". 
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My point isn't that you shouldn't get quality prospects back.
My point is that ending any conversation that doesn't involve Strasburg and/or Harper is ridiculous.
There are probably only a handful of players in the majors right now the Nationals would trade for Harper/Strasburg (Longoria, Tulo, Posey all come to mind).
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I say we trade them both for cash and a couple Class-A pitching prospects.
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I know this is has been discussed to death but it's not entirely Dolan's nor the leagues fault to what the Cleveland Indians have become. For our team to thrive in the league we'll need to have an owner who won't be afraid to spend when times are bad but that also requires for MLB to go to a hard salary cap. Even though I'm an optimist, I highly doubt either of those are happening within the next 15 years.
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I understand that too. If I were the Nationals and the Indians brought up those names I would hang up too.
I just don't want us trading a guy who we have under contract for 4 years (counting team options) for single A guys.
Same thing w/ Sizemore. He's still signed for 2 year under a reasonable contract (counting team option again). Maybe if he gets back to his pre-injury level you pick up his option (I would pick it up either way) then consider trading him for some upper level prospects if you can't first try to sign him long term. This needs to be done after the season though if they do trade him unless we get blown away with in offer and we're struggling midseason.
Anyways Buster Olney is now reporting that the Nationals never contacted the Tribe about this. Some Washington writer just floated it out there.
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pretty simple for small markets actually.
1. spend high $$$ in the draft to get the best players locked in for long periods of time.
2. continue to put money into the minors and latin america camps.
3. spend minimally at the MLB level (keep players as long as you have "control" but largely trade or let them leave once that is gone).
Sadly, this is not the model Shapiro was using from 2000-2007. We drafted terribly and that was largely because we refused to overpay for our 'slot'. Also, we had bad scouting and we didn't find much in the middle rounds (late rounds are pure crapshoots so I don't even count those).
But, we went out and got a 'draft guy' and a few good scouts. Our drafting has seemed better the past 2 drafts (we will see if that continues to pan out). We have spent top5 in $$$ on both of those drafts. It is a solid plan though it still leaves you open for ridicule from the fanbase when you do let those players go.
Another key to the plan is being willing to go out and trade for a needed veteran that might be a little bit pricey if needed a year when you are competing. We will see what we do when that opportunity comes (we did trade for Kenny Lofton in '07 and he was a sparkplug, but obviously I'm talking about a bigger presence).
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My point isn't that you shouldn't get quality prospects back.
My point is that ending any conversation that doesn't involve Strasburg and/or Harper is ridiculous.
There are probably only a handful of players in the majors right now the Nationals would trade for Harper/Strasburg (Longoria, Tulo, Posey all come to mind).
I agree.
Sizemore isn't one of those players.
He is a good player, and still has some production, but the shine is wearing off that shoe and why I would look to ship him before his last season here where the legit offers begin to dry up and we do end up trading him for a couple of AA prospects.
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My point isn't that you shouldn't get quality prospects back.
My point is that ending any conversation that doesn't involve Strasburg and/or Harper is ridiculous.
What I suggested wasn't a joke. My reply to the Nats would be "You called us. You are interested in our best position player and our best pitcher. We control these players contractually, so clearly this isn't a distress transaction. We also have a fan base that has seen our best players either leave through free agency or forced us to trade them to get even a modicum of talent in exchange. This situation is different. We may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. If Harper and/or Strasburg are off the table then this conversation is over."
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What I suggested wasn't a joke. My reply to the Nats would be "You called us. You are interested in our best position player and our best pitcher. We control these players contractually, so clearly this isn't a distress transaction. We also have a fan base that has seen our best players either leave through free agency or forced us to trade them to get even a modicum of talent in exchange. This situation is different. We may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night. If Harper and/or Strasburg are off the table then this conversation is over."
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the Nats call back and start off with..."Well, since you consider Grady your best position player, we are interested in paying less than Grady is worth for Choo, Cabrera, Santana, and Brantley."
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mac, the old ownership, manager, and coaches are gone and aren't coming back.
You can either support the Indians and Mr Dolan or there are 29 other teams out there looking for part time fans .... your choice.
That's a stupid post ytown.. It's like saying, "You can either support the congress or there are hundreds of other countries you can move to.. "
I used to be a big Indians fan, I still consider myself a fan though I bet I haven't watched more than 3 games a year for the last few years... the primary reason is they are never on because they always suck. I do not have the time or the energy to pour into a team that I KNOW is going to suck year after year.. in a league which is designed to basically keep them that way...
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in a league which is designed to basically keep them that way...
Yeah like the Rays...
Or the Royals (#1 farm system in baseball)...
Or the Marlins (who win 80 games all the time with the lowest payroll)...
If you make the right decisions the system works just fine.
The Giants just won the World Series with homegrown pitching and players off the scrap heap.
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Not meaning to make a positive post on a negative thread, but.. Heads up Columbus Dawgs, The Tribe is playing the Columbus Clippers Thursday March 30 for their last spring training game at Huntington Park in downtown Columbus.. I think tix are 6.00
I'm planning on going ( and expecting snow )
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Yeah like the Rays...
Or the Royals (#1 farm system in baseball)...
Or the Marlins (who win 80 games all the time with the lowest payroll)...
If you make the right decisions the system works just fine.
The Giants just won the World Series with homegrown pitching and players off the scrap heap.
Great, the Royals have the #1 farm system in baseball, what has that gotten them?
And the Marlins win 80 games, does that usually get you in the playoffs?
The Giants had the 10th highest payroll in baseball last year....
Yes, if you make all of the right decisions you get to be good for a few years before you have to sell off your team... I'm not saying I like Dolan or the way the team is run... but the fact is that there is a HUGE financial disparity in baseball...
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