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By being the stuff dirt's made out of.
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j/c...16 years is a long time...I got to wonder if he has other things on his mind...Catching up on family time..maybe just needing a break from the craziness that goes along with the NFL...
Be interested to hear from him as far as where his head is at...
Im cool with a younger guy like what we have...nobody knows what we have and what will happen... I have enjoyed seeing some of these younger coaches come in and have success...And hope that happens for the Browns.
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I'd take him as HC over Shurmur. I'd take him as DC over Jauron.
He could have been the next guy to get fired from Cleveland.
Oh well...
graf...But you are not Holmgren...
Honestly, I believe Fisher is burned out...time for him to take a break from coaching.
Jeff Fisher: “I’m tired”
January 28, 2011
Titans owner Bud Adams phoned in his appearance at Friday’s press conference to discuss the departure of coach Jeff Fisher. Literally.
The 88-year-old owner briefly spoke on a telephone, presumably from his home Houston. We’ll give the guy a break because of his age, but that’s a pretty poor effort considering Fisher was the team’s coach in 17 years.
Adams and Fisher both spoke glowingly of each other Friday.
‘This isn’t personal, it’s just time for a change,” Adams said.
The Titans coach, who often looked weary at the end of last season, admitted he needs a break. He says he won’t coach again right away.
“I’ve been coaching for 25 years and I think I’m tired,” Fisher said. “I need a rest.”
Fisher left reporters wanting more on Friday. He spoke wistfully of his time in Tennessee and refused to get into specifics about why he left. He only said he owes nothing but gratitude and left a classy presser after about ten minutes.
Titans Senior Executive Vice President Steve Underwood, who also plans to leave the team later this year, only said the Titans and Fisher had “differences” they weren’t able to resolve.
UPDATE: Underwood confirmed Fisher could coach right away if he choose to.
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I say fire Shurmur, or put him in limbo, or just put him in the corner... and hire Fisher ASAP, if not sooner.
Hell, I'd take Fisher over Holmgren if that choice had to be made.
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well, since shurmur wants to call plays so badly why not just make him OC?
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That's a PR DISASTER. The problem is, if Fisher would consider it, it's probably the best long-term course of action for RESULTS. Guess it depends which is more important to the team, their public image (in the short term) or their success (in the long term).
Agreed completely on Fisher over Holmgren too fwiw.
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I don't care if you make Shurmur the sock monkey, move him aside or out the door and bring in Fisher... and if I was the FO, I certainly would not care about P.R. fallout.
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Fisher wants to rest. So let's hire him as an HC consultant. Then when Shurnur stumbles we have our man.
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You guys are joking right?
I agree that Fisher is a head coach, but you can't hire a new head coach, sign him to a contract, then fire him two weeks later.
Not only is it a PR disaster, but it makes you look like you don't know what you are doing. And you still have to pay the coach you just hired (along with the two other former head coaches you are paying).
Fisher is a better, more established coach than Shurmur, yes.
To think we should fire Shurmur is ridiculous.
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You guys are joking right?
I agree that Fisher is a head coach, but you can't hire a new head coach, sign him to a contract, then fire him two weeks later.
Not only is it a PR disaster, but it makes you look like you don't know what you are doing. And you still have to pay the coach you just hired (along with the two other former head coaches you are paying).
Fisher is a better, more established coach than Shurmur, yes.
To think we should fire Shurmur is ridiculous.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but that just answers my question.
You're more concerned with the short term PR disaster than the long term success of the team. I come down on the other side of the fence. We'll see which side the Cleveland Holmgrens choose.
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He already said he's tired and is not coaching anytime soon. I say give Haskell the OC job and give Fisher Haskell's job. Like ocd said, if Shurmur screws the pooch, he's there.
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I can't believe anyone would think firing our head coach of two weeks, who was handpicked by Holmgren, would be a good idea.
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He already said he's tired and is not coaching anytime soon. I say give Haskell the OC job and give Fisher Haskell's job. Like ocd said, if Shurmur screws the pooch, he's there.
There is a 0% chance of this happening.
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I can't believe anyone would think firing our head coach of two weeks, who was handpicked by Holmgren, would be a good idea.
It's a lot easier to think this if you happen to think that the hire wasn't a good one in the first place. 
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Fisher? No thanks. He's done little of note since he lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl in '99. He's gone 5-6 with winning seasons since that year, and 0-5 before that year, for a grand total of 6-11 winning seasons. He's right up there with Chokey Reid & Shottenloser when it comes to too much love and not enough of being able to get it done come playoff time. Sad as it sounds, I'd rather stick with Shurmur for now. At least he hasn't proven to be a losing HC yet.
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I can't believe anyone would think firing our head coach of two weeks, who was handpicked by Holmgren, would be a good idea.
It's a lot easier to think this if you happen to think that the hire wasn't a good one in the first place.
Even if you don't think he is a good hire, I don't know as he hasn't coached a game yet, this is a ridiculous thought.
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I disagree.
It'd be unconventional for sure, and we'd almost certainly get blasted by the media for it (as if their opinion actually matters, lol)... but he's a better coach, so it'd be worth it.
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I'd say so. The only time a coach should be fired after only two weeks is if it's a Michael Haywood situation. Or George O'Leary. Or something the coach did wrong.
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It actually does matter. Players watch Sportscenter, NFL Newtork etc. They won't want to go to a dysfunctional organization. This is something Daniel Snyder, George Steinbrenner, and/or Al Davis would do. And if they did it we would all laugh at them.
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He's a more known coach. Obviously he has done well with the Titans. But as I said before, Shurmur hasn't coached a game. We don't really know who is better.
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Even if you don't think he is a good hire, I don't know as he hasn't coached a game yet, this is a ridiculous thought.
perhaps, however I personally will not be suprised that in two years..Holmgren is canned and Shurmur and folks are sent packing with him. for reasons I clearly see
Its either Holmgren's way or no way...ron Wolf went as far as to call Holmgren "pigheaded and stubborn" and those 2 did not get along late and the rift between the two is why Holmgren left Green Bay...i'll post the article in my holmgren faith thread right now! 
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Right. We already knew that. That's why Mangini was fired and Shurmur was hired.
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Obviously he has done well with the Titans.
What is that based on, exactly? Longevity? The occasional Division Title? His time on the rules committee? Is it the 10 out of 17 years his teams ended 3rd or 4th in the division? (Two of the times he came in 2nd, his teams were 8-8.) Or is it the fact that he barely eeked out a .500 regular season record, and a sub .500 playoff record? I really don't get it.
He and the Titans are parting ways because he's had 17 years to do something with that team and it's gone from bad to better, to worse with a lot of ups and downs in between. If the key to winning is consistency, then Fisher led teams have been consistently inconsistent. In seventeen years, he never strung together three winning seasons in a row. No wonder the owner wants him gone. Enough is enough. We certainly don't need another hope dasher here.
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I say fire Shurmur, or put him in limbo, or just put him in the corner... and hire Fisher ASAP, if not sooner.
Hell, I'd take Fisher over Holmgren if that choice had to be made.
LOL,, I can't tell if you are joking or if your serious.
Fisher just got through saying he's tired. That he's coached for 25 years and needs a rest.
As much as I'd have liked to have him, I don't want someone that admits to be tired and in need of a rest.
It would have been a PR Nightmare to fire or put Shurmur aside to hire Fisher if he hadn't said that,, but since he has said it, the issues would be biblical. I don't think there is any amount of spinning that could fix that.
Not for nothing, but I'd lose total respect for Holmgren and Heckert if they did that.
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Fisher? No thanks. He's done little of note since he lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl in '99. He's gone 5-6 with winning seasons since that year, and 0-5 before that year, for a grand total of 6-11 winning seasons. He's right up there with Chokey Reid & Shottenloser when it comes to too much love and not enough of being able to get it done come playoff time. Sad as it sounds, I'd rather stick with Shurmur for now. At least he hasn't proven to be a losing HC yet.
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Heck, I'm sure the people complaining about Shurmur would also complain about having Fisher too. "An old retread", "Never won the big one", "Wasn't consistantly good", "can't handle a locker room", "has a history of power struggles with his owner which means he'll clash his MH a lot" or "even with the best RB in the league, he couldn't win the division".
Some will find any reason to complain.
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Not for nothing, but I'd lose total respect for Holmgren and Heckert if they did that.
For some of us, that's been happening for awhile now already. Why let it get in the way now?
I'd have more respect for Holmgren manning up and admitting he made a mistake and fixing it, and not caring about BSPN, than sitting on his hands doing nothing or claiming he was right all along just because he's stubborn.
Let's face it Shurmur is a complete unknown quantity walking into his first HC gig. Not only that, he was hired mainly b/c he can be Holmgren's puppet. He COULD end up being a fantastically wonderful HC, but there is no chance in Hades he's making the playoffs in the next 2 years with this club. Not a first time HC. Not with the lack of talent we have. Not with requiring an entire rebuild of the defense.
And, we all know what happens to coaches in Cleveland who don't make the playoffs in their first two years. They get canned. So, why even wait? Just can the guy now, bring in Fisher, and give him the 4-5 years required to do this rebuild correctly. Maybe at least then ppl wouldn't want him canned after 2 losing seasons due to his track record. Nah, who am I kidding...it's Cleveland.
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1. Only one of your quotes is attributable to me.
2. He is better, but has been forcibly saddled with Vince Young.
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I'd have more respect for Holmgren manning up and admitting he made a mistake and fixing it, and not caring about BSPN, than sitting on his hands doing nothing or claiming he was right all along just because he's stubborn.
Wow, it must be awesome to KNOW the future. Hiring Shurmur was a mistake. Hrrrrrmmmm....I vote you to be the new Browns owner so we can stop having the people that are in position to make decisions make bad ones based on their experience and history. Clearly, you know the hires that will or won't work.
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...there is no chance in Hades he's making the playoffs in the next 2 years with this club. Not a first time HC. Not with the lack of talent we have. Not with requiring an entire rebuild of the defense.
If that's true, and it's not, why the hell would Fisher come here as a coach? I mean, you can see this club can't make the playoffs in the next two years. I'm sure Fisher, who is more football savvy than most, could see the same thing.
I'm not going to give examples of young, first-time head coaches taking over non-playoff teams....that ended up being great hires. Why? Cause you'd just say, "Shurmur is no XXXXX" So what's the point? How about we just wait this out and talk about it after he's coached a few games?
And again, NOBODY knew Fisher was going to be let go. The Browns can't wait an extra two weeks to decide their HC based on the assumption that a HC might get fired and we might want them. And who's is Fisher anyway? He's a long tenured coach without a Super Bowl title and a junky postseason record. Wow....no thanks.
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I thought I was the only sane one here.
Good to know there are others that think that even thinking about firing Shurmur is crazy.
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That's why I wrote, "you two..."
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Wow, it must be awesome to KNOW the future. Hiring Shurmur was a mistake. Hrrrrrmmmm....I vote you to be the new Browns owner so we can stop having the people that are in position to make decisions make bad ones based on their experience and history. Clearly, you know the hires that will or won't work.
Punch, you need to look at all of what I said. I said "Shurmur is a complete unknown quantity walking into his first HC gig" followed by "He COULD end up being a fantastically wonderful HC". I don't claim to know whether Shurmur will eventually be a good/great/terrible HC or not. What I DO know is that it was a mistake to hire him though. Why? Well I said "there is no chance in Hades he's making the playoffs in the next 2 years with this club. Not a first time HC. Not with the lack of talent we have. Not with requiring an entire rebuild of the defense." followed by "And, we all know what happens to coaches in Cleveland who don't make the playoffs in their first two years. They get canned. So, why even wait? Just can the guy now".
It has nothing to do with whether he's GOOD or not, but the fact that, regardless of how good or not he is, he's gone in 2 years. Bank it. That's a pointless hire.
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If that's true, and it's not, why the hell would Fisher come here as a coach? I mean, you can see this club can't make the playoffs in the next two years. I'm sure Fisher, who is more football savvy than most, could see the same thing.
Well first, it is true. Please tell me how we're magically getting 6-7 new starters on D, a new kicker, 2-3 new WR, a new RT, 1-2 backup RB and maybe a QB in the next 2 years so that we can make the playoffs? Oh and let them have time to learn all our new systems & coaches and have time to gel with each other too! It's not happening.
As to your second point, DING DING DING! We have a winner. He probably wouldn't want to come here. Just like Cowher, Gruden and many others have blown us off. Who wants to coach for a team where 1) Czar Holmgren makes all the decisions anyway 2) The team is a good 4-5 years away from being consistently playoff caliber and 3) The owner/pres/fanbase is only willing to give you 2 years to accomplish said 4-5 year plan before they fire your ass?
Answer: first time HC's who are fine being puppets to Holmgren....and Holmgren's former buddies, and that's about it.
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I'm with you Peen! I've wanted Fisher all along.
If Holmgren has stated all along that this is a process and he wants the right guy, now's the time to get him!
And the next head coach is ......
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No. It's not. The time to get him was before January 13th. But he was still the coach of the Titans.
We now have a head coach.
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"So, Pat, remember how I said you were the head coach. Well, I lied. You're not. But hey, you can still call the offense if you want."
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so you're saying we should hire Fisher as the "offensive coordinator" and let shurmur stay as head coach and call the plays?  
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I wish I would have thought of that.
It all makes sense now.
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For some of us, that's been happening for awhile now already. Why let it get in the way now?
Not one sound reason for that. not one.
BUT if he fires or demotes Shurmur in anyway to attract Fisher, that would be something I'd call idiotic....Fisher admits he's tired.... why hire a guy that says he's tired.
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This, but I'm sure Holmgren is so full of himself, that he is okay w/ the Shurmur pick.
How many Super Bowls has Jeff Fisher won as a HC? (Yes, he is a really good coach.)
The hate for Shurmur is kind of funny. I cannot remember a coach having a shorter honeymoon... almost.
I worked in downtown Columbus for about a decade. I would listen to sports radio every day at lunch on the way home. A long time ago... the Buckeyes fired John Cooper. Buckeye nation was screaming for Jon Gruden and a couple of other candidates. Eventually, Jim Tressel was named HC.
I vividly remember the hate spewing through the radio. Buckeye nation was outraged and humiliated. The almighty Buckeyes had failed to land an NFL head coach. They failed to land a successful D1 coach. They had embarrassed the program and fans by hiring a 1AA coach from Youngstown.
The firejimtressell.com crowd still believes that Tressell is somehow this horrible coach. Aside from them, most folks are willing to at least partially admit he has done an ok job.
I am in no way saying that Pat Shurmur will have anywhere near the success of JT. If Browns history/tradition continues... we will be discussing his firing in 1, 2 or 3 seasons. Even so... I have survived the Palmer, Davis, Crennell, Mangini regimes. I will continue to support the Browns and keep hoping that is daylight at the end of the tunnel and not an impending inferno.
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make Shurmer OC and hire Fisher. WE coulda had a V8 instead we go a dud.
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