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If the front office decides to voluntarily turn over the entire staff, then I expect the new staff to be better. I sure as hell hope the front office does as well. No grace period. No honeymoon. Produce results, please, and then the faith and trust will come.
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If Houston gets their defense together next year they will be tough to beat... their defense was HORRIBLE this year and they could not figure out how to play a full game on offense... but they are very strong on the offensive side of the ball... that'll be a tough game...
St. Louis is on the up and up... I think that'll be a tough win... Tenn will be having an overhaul as well... Zona needs a QB before they can do anything...
i agree that it's too early to be making predictions.
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Judging next years schedule and actually thinking you have a clue who will be good or not is foolish.
Last year everybody was supposed to beat KC and Tampa, how did that friggin work out. Pittsburgh was supposedly on decline and Balt's defense was too old, how did that friggin work out.
Ytown is on a mission to put down every move made since Mangini was fired, now he is trying to say this team is somehow going to be a 8 win team, even after changing both offense and defense, having to turn over half the roster.
He is twisting things like the question Mac asked to suit his agenda. His over the top attitude is actually funny, I cvan't see how anybody takes him serious anymore....what a shame. Having an opinion is one thing, but making things up like, "laughingstock for hiring Shurmur", is just the opposite, it is agenda based whining.
One blog has said that we will not hire a OC. Nowhere else has it been confirmed. IMO it is specultion at best.
My feelings are this.With Shurmur's OC experience and wanting to call the plays,"at first", which is what he said. It could very well be that Whipple will be the OC without the title. It could be a way to save face for Whipple, as it clearly can be seen by reading this board, he would be criticized for letting the HC call the plays.
Shurmur knows the offence and has called plays in it. I'm sure just because he is calling the plays, he can still be an effective head coach. As far as the offense is concerned, Having Shurmur and Whipple both working on the gameplan can be a good thing. The head coach can be involved without stepping on toes as far as titles go.
Question, when Billick was HC at Baltimore, who was the OC? Didn't Billick pretty much run the offense there? It can be done, time will tell if it will work, or if this even the situation that will happen. People forget Haskell is in house, he could be doing more than we are aware of as far as the offense is concerned.
Taking the chicken little approach many such as Ytown and Pdawg are, is a little premature IMO.
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I think we should be able to win 8 games next year:
We play Pitt, Balt, Cincy, Jax, Miami, St Louis, Seattle, and Tennessee at home ...... There are 5 reasonable wins there, with Pitt, Balt, and Jax being games we would expect to lose. Jax is a game we could pull an upset in.
We play Balt, Pitt, Cincy, Arizona, Houston, Indy, Oakland, and San Francisco on the road, with Arizona, Houston, Oakland and San Francisco all as probable wins.
What gives you any indication we should consider St. Louis, Tennessee, Miami, San Francisco, Houston, and Oakland probable wins? As much as it sucks, we are a bottom-tier team. Until we prove we can win more than 10 games in two seasons, we should expect to lose almost every game.
I like to think the difference is, we were close enough last year in most every game to be competitive enough to have to worry about,....to me, this means we could as likely win every game as only win 10 in two years. It's a team at the precipice, and it just has to be played out.
This FO hasn't made any "great" moves yet,...but they haven't made any that have to be thrown out the window.
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Whipple-Shurmur.... sounds like a degenerative bone disease or something.
Classic but I immediately thought, "new Ben & Jerry's flavor."
I would like one scoop of orange shurmur and one scoop of chocolate whipple!
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I think we should be able to win 8 games next year:
We play Pitt, Balt, Cincy, Jax, Miami, St Louis, Seattle, and Tennessee at home ...... There are 5 reasonable wins there, with Pitt, Balt, and Jax being games we would expect to lose. Jax is a game we could pull an upset in.
We play Balt, Pitt, Cincy, Arizona, Houston, Indy, Oakland, and San Francisco on the road, with Arizona, Houston, Oakland and San Francisco all as probable wins.
What gives you any indication we should consider St. Louis, Tennessee, Miami, San Francisco, Houston, and Oakland probable wins? As much as it sucks, we are a bottom-tier team. Until we prove we can win more than 10 games in two seasons, we should expect to lose almost every game.
Because I look at the way we played this past year. We played a very difficult schedule, and lost to mostly playoff teams, often by 3 or 4 points.
We ran into trouble at the end of the year when inuries hit, and when McCoy ran into some typical rookie problems.
With a much, much easier schedule next year, and adding 3-5 additional upper shelf players to this team, as well as McCoy having a complete off-season to learn as much as he can about the pro game .... and to reflect upon what he needs to work on ......... we should be able to increase our ability to win, while also taking advantage of a much easier schedule.
I would have expected 8-10 wins next year prior to the coaching change, and have said so pretty consistently. My reasons were those given above. We still have Heckert making the personnel decisions, and that ensures that the roster will continue to make leaps forward. That, to me, leads to an expectation of an 8 win or better season.
Actually, my original expectation for this was around 8 wins also. I believe that the thread is still in the archives. We came damn close, with a play here or a play there being the difference in most games ..... and we can look specifically at 2 Delhomme INT for TD in 3 games. (the one in the Carolina game didn't cost us) Those passes aren't thrown and we probably have a 7 win team. Adding 3-5 premium players to a 7 win team with the kind of schedule we played would probably create an expectation for 1 or 2 more wins ... wouldn't you think?
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Brownoholic...#785639 - 01/31/11 11:26 AM... Weird.
First off, I haven't read any of the other posts yet.
I am wondering why it makes me feel like this isn't the way to do it BUT, if they had just told me Whipple was the OC AND QB coach, I would feel ok about it. Don't know why I feel that way, just do . . .
Can anyone shed light on the success (or lack there of...) of other teams that run or have run their offenses like this? Is it a rarity? Happen often? I have no clue . . .
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YT...#785641 - 01/31/11 11:33 .....It is very rare.
The offensive coordinator does all of the preparation work during the week. he creates the offfensive gameplan, puts in team specific plays, runs the offensive practices, and so on.
If Shurmur was going to call his own plays, that's one thing. This is something else entirely.
I am stunned, and incredibly worried about what we're going to see on the field next year.
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mac...#785707 - 01/31/11 02:33 YT...HOW RARE IS IT?
NFL HCs who call their own plays...it's "rare" you say?
Could you tell us how many HCs in the NFL call their own plays?
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YT...so as not to lose context...I posted the original question by Brownoholic...then your response to him...then my question to you YT.
Care to try again?
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I am wondering why it makes me feel like this isn't the way to do it BUT, if they had just told me Whipple was the OC AND QB coach, I would feel ok about it. Don't know why I feel that way, just do . . .
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YT...#785641 - 01/31/11 11:33 .....It is very rare.
The offensive coordinator does all of the preparation work during the week. he creates the offfensive gameplan, puts in team specific plays, runs the offensive practices, and so on.
If Shurmur was going to call his own plays, that's one thing. This is something else entirely.
The other poster asked about teams running things this way .... with no offensive coordinator, and asked about the success or lack thereof of teams who run their offense without an ofensive coordinator.
There is one team in the NFL, as far as I know, that does so. That is the Patriots.
If there are others, please share your incredible wisdom and tell us what other teams have not, at least, named someone to the offensive coordinator position.
I'll be waiting.
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Question. I get what you're saying about the OC (or lack thereof), but does it really matter if it's an OC or not in name?
I think the more important factor to judge is because our Shurminator will be calling the plays as a head coach ... which teams have a head coach calling plays? ... Otherwise if you say what teams have an O-Coordinator or not, you might have Whipple (or someone else) doing the responsibilities of an OC without having the OC title.
If you go down that road I have heard names of head coaches who have called their own offensive plays including
Mike Holmgren
Mike Shanahan
Josh McDaniels (for a bit anyway .. .then he was gone)
Jon Gruden
Mike McCarthy
Norv Turner
Sean Payton
Ken Whisenhunt (which is confusing because I guess they have 2 offensive coordinators? One for running game and one for passing... I dont quite get it)
Brian Billick
Gary Kubiak
Brad Childress
Lane Kiffin did
Mike Martz did too I believe
the point is that those are at least the notable ones, and they have been met with mixed, yet I would call it promising success.
As long as the Shurminator isn't bogged down by being the head coach AND getting his offense in shape ... (which I admit is a big if) then I see no problem with having the "title" of offensive coordinator filled or not.
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Question. I get what you're saying about the OC (or lack thereof), but does it really matter if it's an OC or not in name?
I think the more important factor to judge is because our Shurminator will be calling the plays as a head coach ... which teams have a head coach calling plays? ... Otherwise if you say what teams have an O-Coordinator or not, you might have Whipple (or someone else) doing the responsibilities of an OC without having the OC title.
And it might be that this is the road we're going to go down ..... but if so, my question is why not just name an offensive coordinator if he is going to do the game planning and such anyway?
A QB Coach generally works with the QB on fundamentals, mechanics, game situations, reads, general stuff like that. He usually doesn't get into the specifics of a game plan for a specific opponent. He coaches the basics of the position, and the coordinator puts in the game plan. He might help install the gameplan to a limited degree, but that's not his primary focus. His primary focus is to make sure that the QB is "structurally" correct, and stays fundamentally sound. He also works with the backups QBs on development of skills. and such.
The coordinator generally puts together the gameplan. He breaks down the upcoming opponent and outlines the structure of the gameplan, then decides which plays are most likely to be effective, what areas to attack, ideal run/pass mix, things like that. He then puts all of that together into one coherent form that the team can practice from for the week in preparation for the upcoming game. It's a lot of work, and a lot of responsibility. Personally, I think that it is hard to have one guy be both QB Coach and Offensive Coordinator in today's NFL, and it probably takes a longstanding relationship between coordinator and QB, and a well established QB to pull it off successfully.
Then, of course, on Sunday the coordinator is generally most visible. However, even if he's not the one calling plays, he's the one that has done the bulk of the preparation and installation work during the week.
That's why I am worried if Shurmur does not name a coordinator. It leads me to believe that he himself is going to do the preparation and installation work for the offense. That's damned hard to do while being the head coach was well. The head coaches who call their own plays don't, to the best of my knowledge, do all of the grunt work during the week themselves. They have some input, but they generally allow the coordinator to run that part of the week, while they run the team.
That's the way I see it, and why this worries me.
Now someone can come along and slam me for bashing Shurmur or something again. 
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Seems like the majority of coaches from the WCO background call their own plays.
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I am just as worried as you are, but I don't see how you can pick 8 win's in 2011. (or .500 if they shorten the year) If somehow this team was called the Buffalo Bills, people here would call them joke. If the Bills had a rookie HC who wants to call his own plays, without the help or need of an OC. A 2nd year QB, who didn't play well during the cold weather games. Changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and No NFL WR's on the roster. Plus if they had to play Pitt. and Balt. twice a year.I think most would expect them to win 2 maybe 3 games. I can't see the Browns winning more than 5 games next year. If it is less, Mike is toast. 
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As a head Coach delegating authority to your coordinators also puts your future as a HC in their hands. How many first time HC's have been fired due to bad coordinators? I can't put a number on that question, but I'll bet 100% would have wished that their future as the Coach was not tied to their Coordinators.
Shurmur has foreshadowed the lack of an OC from the start. I think he said he would like to groom one.
Maybe Whipple is that guy and maybe he is not.
Yes he is our QB's Coach, but we have not always had a Coach for QB's IIRC.
At any rate I feel better about the future of our offense with all the experience we have on that side of the ball.
I have less concerns with not having a separate OC, then the direction of our defense at this point.
Maybe I will feel better after the draft and FA (if and when that time comes), we simply have no talent up front to run the 43.
With better direction and a proven system, I think our offense should be improved even if we were to have the same cast (not very likely) Vickers and Womack [Lauvao?] will both be FA's, but those positions need up grading any how along with RT and a true #1WR. Stuckey is also a FA, but I think he can be replaced fairly easy.
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Why not pick .500? They could've easily been that this year, and they're going to be better next year, right? Better coaches, better players, headed in the right direction. A few more wins shouldn't be a problem.
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As a head Coach delegating authority to your coordinators also puts your future as a HC in their hands. How many first time HC's have been fired due to bad coordinators?
I would bet that far more young (experience-wise) head coaches lose their jobs because they cannot delegate and manage the big picture than those who "pick bad coordinators".
Head Coaches usually pick their first coordinators, then, if they don't seem to work, the front office replaces their coordinators for them .... then if that doesn't work, the Head Coach is replaced.
You ask how many first time head coaches have been fired because of bad coordinators .... and I would ask how many coordinators have been fired because of ineffective first time head coaches?
Look at Bruce Arians, for example. Hated here. Supposedly helped get Crennel fired.
Wins 2 Super Bowls and goes to a 3rd this year in 6 years in Pittsburgh.
Look at Terry Robiske. "Horrible" WR Coach here .... great WR Coach in Atlanta.
Rookie head coaches need great coordinators, even more than experienced ones do. However, many coordinators go from "bad" to "good", and visa versa, because of the quality of Head Coach they work for, and how he instructs them in doing their jobs, and then lets them do their jobs.
Rookie Head Coaches tend to over-manage as opposed to under-managing their assistants and coordinators. They try to do way too much and lose their focus on the team as a whole.
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Why not pick .500? They could've easily been that this year, and they're going to be better next year, right? Better coaches, better players, headed in the right direction. A few more wins shouldn't be a problem.
I don't think Vegas will give very good odds on us going .500
For good or bad our 2011 season will be one of rebuilding.
Personally I think it was needed anyway. Did we make gains with Mangini? Yes, but how lasting would they have been with out youth and play makers.
Our offense had no direction and our defense was old and patch worked at best.
The 2010 season other then the players we added was a waisted season with the different philosophies between Mangini and H&H.
Heckert was not picked by Mangini as GM for the Browns when he was hired. Why? He was interview for the job.
I think Mangini new that they had differences that would not work.
How well did Heckert's acquisitions this last year work out? (Other then the draft) I should think that got obvious with the lack of opportunities that guys like Sanford, Mitchell and WR brought in received.
H&H both said they thought that our WR's were not as bad as their production. Foreshadowing things to come I think in retrospect.
I'll give Mangini credit for going with his instincts and not wavering in his beliefs, but I have to think even he thinks now it was a case of wishful thinking once Holmgren was brought in to run the franchise.
I hope to see better game management and an improving offense next season, but I think it will be a long year defensively, we have to start some where even if it means taking a step back, before we can move forwards with a propose.
It's a crying shame that we had to wait 12 seasons to get to the point where we have a professional FO and Coaching staff that speaks the same language.
That's just where we are.
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That just keeps getting funnier everytime someone posts it.
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just to early to make any kind of guess on record. Draft will be critical. Will we lose Roth, Benard, DQ, Elam, Wright? That is 5 projected starters just on defense. Then we have guys like Vickers and Dawson and several more that are also free agents.
How will the receivers respond to the WCO? Can Hardesty and lauvao recover and rebound?
We have a whole lot to do before we can even think about training camp.
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That just keeps getting funnier everytime someone posts it.
LOL,
How much does someone want to bet that the PD takes this and runs with it as 'their own'?
I posted a story entitled Tim the Lion Hart on the Original Dawg talk years ago that was plagiarized by the PD.
They of coarse edited it, but they stole it just the same.
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I'm not particularly concerned with the odds Vegas gives us of going .500, and I'm not predicting what our record will be next season. I'm saying that I expect this team to go .500. I'll save my predictions for once our roster is rounded out come summertime. But as far as expectations go...you're going to get rid of people and tell me the new guys are better, then I expect the result to be better.
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I'm not particularly concerned with the odds Vegas gives us of going .500, and I'm not predicting what our record will be next season. I'm saying that I expect this team to go .500. I'll save my predictions for once our roster is rounded out come summertime. But as far as expectations go...you're going to get rid of people and tell me the new guys are better, then I expect the result to be better.
Given the turn over we are going to undertake.....I do not think it is realistic to expect this team to improve much record wise.
Most of our draft picks will be expected to contribute from the start. There is sure to be growing pains. We have to be the least talented team in the league,
if you take away last years draft class.
If we can have another good draft like I expect us to do, then we will finally be building a good core of players to build on. I'll be it a decade to late.
I hope we will look like a professional offense with the changes made, but as I said in another post....."We might have to take a step back on defense, before we can take steps forward"
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I will be stunned...flat out STUNNED if we win more than 2 games next year. Combine lack of talent, unproven QB, total defensive rebuild, force playing rookies (due to lack of talent), a rookie HC...who just happens to double as our OC...in a division with Pitt and Balt making up 4 of our games? Yeah, good luck with that.
Shurmur might not last the year...and if that's the case Holmgren may not either (deservedly so).
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I think it is obvious Shurmer is here to concentrate mostly on the O. I really don't see the big problem in that.
When you look at the defensive coaches assembled, there is a lot of experience on that side of the ball. Juron has more or less been given a blank check. He and his staff will take the ball and run. How far they get only time will tell, but they will get only minor input from Shurmer....which is good IMO...he's an offensive guy.
The coach doesn't sit around doing nothing while the gameplan is formulated. In this case he is going to be more hands on with the O.
As for calling plays, again, I don't see any real problem.
He is going to have eyes in the sky filling his ear with possible plays to run based on what they are seeing.
The real key in this isn't what play is called. It is what play is run. The QB better be well versed on checking out of dud plays and in to plays that give the O a chance to move.
Unless the coaching is inept, which I doubt it is, the qb is the guy who moves a offense...or maybe I should say the QB is the guy who bogs down a O.
He is the key who gets us out of bad plays in to at least a neutral play.
We now have at least 2 guys in Shurmer and Whipple who have a pretty good reputation of preparing a qb so he can go out there and not bog things down.
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Brownoholic...#785639 - 01/31/11 11:26 AM... Weird.
First off, I haven't read any of the other posts yet.
I am wondering why it makes me feel like this isn't the way to do it BUT, if they had just told me Whipple was the OC AND QB coach, I would feel ok about it. Don't know why I feel that way, just do . . .
Can anyone shed light on the success (or lack there of...) of other teams that run or have run their offenses like this? Is it a rarity? Happen often? I have no clue . . .
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YT...#785641 - 01/31/11 11:33 .....It is very rare.
The offensive coordinator does all of the preparation work during the week. he creates the offfensive gameplan, puts in team specific plays, runs the offensive practices, and so on.
If Shurmur was going to call his own plays, that's one thing. This is something else entirely.
I am stunned, and incredibly worried about what we're going to see on the field next year.
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mac...#785707 - 01/31/11 02:33 YT...HOW RARE IS IT?
NFL HCs who call their own plays...it's "rare" you say?
Could you tell us how many HCs in the NFL call their own plays?
YT...you seem to have a bit of a problem here with 3 simple questions..let's see if I can make it easier for you.
OK YT...you don't have to answer this one...YT...HOW RARE IS IT?.......
Forget this one too...NFL HCs who call their own plays...it's "rare" you say?..
YT, Just answer this one question...How many HCs call their own plays?
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In one hand put Shurmur. In the other Daboll.
Suddenly, it's not so scary an idea...
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The whole "No Offensive Coordinator" thing gives me a bit of unease, sure nothing's set in stone at this point and time but overall, I don't feel good about it. I was hardly Mangini's #1 fan and I would and will argue the merits of his release from the team to the end. It's hard to look at a team that was pointed in a direction that could be argued that was working, and now not see any sense of direction at all. I think it's a bit of overreacting and a bit of negativity overwhelming me but I'm just worried for the future.
Shurmur/Whipple, here to groom McCoy. Let's hope Colt's ready to play ball and we can get the kid some play makers for that offense, then perhaps all will not be lost.
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As for calling plays, again, I don't see any real problem.
He is going to have eyes in the sky filling his ear with possible plays to run based on what they are seeing.
The real key in this isn't what play is called. It is what play is run. The QB better be well versed on checking out of dud plays and in to plays that give the O a chance to move.
Unless the coaching is inept, which I doubt it is, the qb is the guy who moves a offense...or maybe I should say the QB is the guy who bogs down a O.
He is the key who gets us out of bad plays in to at least a neutral play.
Reminds me of Marty and Kosar,....
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JC: It makes me nervous to see no offensive coordinator.
If we were bringing in Whipple to run the offense, why not just give him the O-Coordinator title? Either he's being given a trial run (and we don't want to pay him as an O-Coordinator) or we're overhyping his role.
I just haven't seen many first year coaches without offensive coordinators. May be Jim Zorn? (and we see how that worked out).
I'm guessing Shurmur is going to be pretty hands off with the defense, and he'll try to act as coordinator, but the head coach still has a lot of responsibilities that pertain to things that aren't just gameday. Lots of meetings and what not.
For a guy with kids and stuff, it just makes me worried that he is biting off way more than he can chew.
I wanted Holmgren to come here, people have said that he's a great guy to work for. So I'm going to not get too critical, and I'm going to sit back and see how the season unfolds. But this just seems like an unorthodox way to start a head coaching career.
It would be nice to have a regular offensive coordinator, get him accustomed to the job, and then drop the O-Coordinator (like the Pats did once) rather than start off without one.
I'm still holding out hoping someone from the Packers becomes O-Coordinator. Whipple couldn't get a job with my UConn Huskies (beat out by an ex-Syracuse Coach/Cowboys Assistant Coach (not coordinator)), I'm just not that high on the guy.
My faith is that Holmgren knows what he's doing, but it's def being tested
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I have less concerns with not having a separate OC, then the direction of our defense at this point.
Maybe I will feel better after the draft and FA (if and when that time comes), we simply have no talent up front to run the 43.
Until Jaruon says what he wants to run it's moot at this point.
If he wants to go 43 better tear it down this year..
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IMO game planning is overrated.
Not that it isn't important...I am just saying it isn't something that takes hours and hours of planning.
You have your stock plays.... Several plays you pull out that should work against the type of team you are playing....and maybe a wrinkle or two.
When you look at any of the good teams, they do the same stuff nearly every week. It isn't like you see a different team each week.
You decide how you plan to attack a team....run/pass....stop the run or pressure the qb, then you go out and practice the plays you feel best to get the job done.
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I have less concerns with not having a separate OC, then the direction of our defense at this point.
Maybe I will feel better after the draft and FA (if and when that time comes), we simply have no talent up front to run the 43.
Until Jaruon says what he wants to run it's moot at this point.
If he wants to go 43 better tear it down this year..
Jaruon has never ran a 34 and Davis and our new DL coach are 43 guys.
I think it's safe to 'assume' we will run a 4r this year. With that I still prefer a 34 front.
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Well I have always liked the 34,the Browns never got the right players to fit and they've had 5 years to do it.
Even when they ran the 43 before that they still never had the better talent.
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IMO game planning is overrated.
Not that it isn't important...I am just saying it isn't something that takes hours and hours of planning.
You have your stock plays.... Several plays you pull out that should work against the type of team you are playing....and maybe a wrinkle or two.
When you look at any of the good teams, they do the same stuff nearly every week. It isn't like you see a different team each week.
I think game planning is far more important than that but I just think it's very subtle.. yea you might have a pass play that you run 5-8 times every game and you'll run it 5-8 times in this game.. the game planning is teaching the QB and the OL signal caller to identify the defenses specific defensive package and make sure the blocking scheme is right and whether you need to keep the back in to block or the TE or whether you can put them all out in the pattern... to you or I it looks like the same old play we always run but when you get down into the details, the study of the other team and the seemingly small adjustments will determine whether it works or not.
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Well I have always liked the 34,the Browns never got the right players to fit and they've had 5 years to do it.
Even when they ran the 43 before that they still never had the better talent.
That's one of my complaints about the changeover. We knew we needed an influx of talent on the line, at LB and in the secondary, I believed Heckert could have gotten the job done in another year or two. Now he has to do it for the 4-3, (which he's familiar with,) but we have to tack on another year because of the switch before we can reasonably expect to see top tier caliber talent throughout the D. It's another setback, and not one that is necessarily going to prove advantageous in the long run.
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The only good thing is perhaps they can get rid of the garbage and actually get some real talent in place.
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I will be stunned...flat out STUNNED if we win more than 2 games next year. Combine lack of talent, unproven QB, total defensive rebuild, force playing rookies (due to lack of talent), a rookie HC...who just happens to double as our OC...in a division with Pitt and Balt making up 4 of our games? Yeah, good luck with that.
Shurmur might not last the year...and if that's the case Holmgren may not either (deservedly so).
Not sure if serious. This has to be sarcasm.
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I will be stunned...flat out STUNNED if we win more than 2 games next year. Combine lack of talent, unproven QB, total defensive rebuild, force playing rookies (due to lack of talent), a rookie HC...who just happens to double as our OC...in a division with Pitt and Balt making up 4 of our games? Yeah, good luck with that.
Shurmur might not last the year...and if that's the case Holmgren may not either (deservedly so).
Um, what?
Heckert is going to make Shurmur look like a genius.
Unless Colt is an ABSOLUTE DISASTER, we win 7 or more games.
Baltimore is on their way down and Pittsburgh will have a Superbowl hangover of some sort.
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mac, until you take a good, solid reading comprehension class, just stop replying to me.
I said that head coaches do not act as their own coordinators, NOT that some don't call their own plays. There is a huge difference.
Learn to read, and understand what is written.
I'm tired of trying to bring you along with baby steps, from "a" to "b" to "c" ......
Learn to read and comprehend, then you can respond to me.
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