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http://atdhe.net/terms.htmlAny replacement sites that was like this one?
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http://atdhenet.tv/Oh, there we go. So heads up for anyone looking for it.
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Just in case anyone's interested in what threats Homeland Security is chasing down ...... http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/02/technology/sports_streaming/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=SbinNEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Ten websites that were allegedly engaged in the live streaming of major sporting events have been seized and shut down by authorities, the government said Wednesday. The 10 sites were among the most popular on the Internet for users hoping to access copyrighted sporting events, the U.S. Attorney's Office said. According to the government's complaint, which was unsealed Wednesday, each of the seized sites aggregated illegal, pirated broadcasts, and provided links to site visitors. Some of the world's biggest sports leagues were allegedly victimized, including the National Football League, National Basketball Association, National Hockey League, World Wrestling Entertainment and the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said the seizure, carried out just days before the Super Bowl, reaffirms the government's commitment to protecting copyright material. "The illegal streaming of professional sporting events over the Internet deals a financial body blow to the leagues and broadcasters who are forced to pass their losses off to fans by raising prices for tickets and pay-per-view events," Bharara said. The sites were disabled Tuesday, and have since been replaced by a posting notifying visitors that "This domain has been seized by ICE - Homeland Security Investigations." The seizure were carried out by the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE. ICE is the principal investigative arm of the larger Department of Homeland Security, and runs the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center, which coordinates government efforts to combat intellectual property theft. Atdhe.net, channelsurfing.net, hq-streams.com, hqstreams.net, firstrow.net, ilemi.com, iilemi.com, iilemii.com, rojadirecta.org and rojadirecta.com are the names of the seized sites.
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I'm just not sure why this falls to "Homeland Security" though.
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Thanks CDawg and YTown for the notice. Sux.  I'm not arguing about the validity of intellectual property, but some interesting choice of words and descriptions none the less. At least towards atdhe ..... Quote:
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Victims? Really? Business absolutely needs to maintain ownership of their IP, They are the ones who have investment to that end with expectation of profit, but "victimization" is just a bit much for me. Like we don't have enough victims of something nowadays.
I only have a basic understanding of how broadcasters make money, but does the streaming from adthe actually translate to raising ticket prices? My counterpoint is narrow as I'm asking that about streaming NFL games that can be accessed OTA. Narrow or not, I think the US Attorney is stretching it a tad (a big tad imo). I would think that local affiliates would pay the biggest price since their local commercials would have less impact (I've never seen a adthe stream without commercials - it's a bit rate, time delayed live stream).
I do wonder what this has to do with Homeland Security? Unless there is a made for TV movie conspiracy twist to illegally streaming content why isn't some other branch of law enforcement chasing this? What's next .... a pr0n tube site as a front for a Ron Jeremy led terrorist cell. Sorry for the sophmoric sarcasm, but I just don't understand the connection to this type of IP and securing our safety.
They didn't mention a particular bit torrent site that features football and I'm glad for that. Ironically content via that site usually does come without the commercials. I use that option either because it's a memorable game I'd like to keep on hand or because WBNS decided to air the Bengals or Steelers instead of the Browns. The one thing that Modell did right was regional broadcasting and my willingness to travel miles to Cleveland for games and to buy Browns merchandise owes itself to being able to view my favorite team OTA. Just saying.
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Totally sucks. I only used it to watch NFL Network games/programming usually. And, don't tell me I'm making THEM the "victim" when I can't buy/pay for NFLN legally even if I wanted to. Thanks Time Warner.
Sounds like somebody from the networks finally got whiny enough that the feds decided to do something to shut them up. Also...WTF @ this being a "homeland security" issue? Over-stepping bounds much?
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This is an aside, but how the NFLN offered itself to TW is ironic in context to victimization. They knock on TW's door and say, "hey buy our product, but you can't recoup the investment by attempting to include us with a higher priced tiered service".  Btw I'm no fan of TW. I switched to DishTV, mostly to save money, and I'm very satisfied with Dish's product.
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Totally sucks. I only used it to watch NFL Network games/programming usually. And, don't tell me I'm making THEM the "victim" when I can't buy/pay for NFLN legally even if I wanted to. Thanks Time Warner.
Sounds like somebody from the networks finally got whiny enough that the feds decided to do something to shut them up. Also...WTF @ this being a "homeland security" issue? Over-stepping bounds much?
So much of being a "victim." I only used ATDHE to watch Browns game because they are barely shown where I'm at and I cannot afford DirecTV w/ Sunday Ticket only to use it once a week to watch a football game(that's if I don't have to work Sunday morning). Also, going to a bar is out of the question with a 18 month at home.
I would have no problem paying the NFL to be able to watch a game online when I had the chance if it was reasonably set up.
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They are now the agency that has the domain over web monitoring.
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Been said on here way too many times,....  "Their" idea of pay-per-view is buying Direct's entire NFL package. I call BS on that.
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Good job, YTownBF! Citizens on patrol! Are we all felons or somesuch if the Homelanders are busting folks?
What was the threat level for this kind of thing? Only being half-flip; this is a national security issue? The bookies must have a lobby and a half going perhaps? Just seems odd . . . .
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I have a friend who is still a broke college student. Living off $20-$50 a month. He doesn't pay for cable, and thus watches (watched now) most of his sports streaming online.
He had an interesting comment on the situation: "Crazy. They can shut that down but not WikiLeaks...figures."
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In case anyone was wondering, they are now on atdhe.me, which is outside of the United States's jurisdiction.
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This isn't the first ime I've seen this happen. I used to watch movies at a site online "watchmoviesonline.net" and the government shut it down. The result is a cat and mouse game of new domains and server locations for the site.
I now watch movies online via "letmewatchthis.com". New releases sometimes before they hit the theaters, TV shows without commercials and tons of older hard to find media is the draw these sites offer... of course they are all free.
letmewatchthis.com even went so far as to tell people they we're being threatened, so the started rotating the actual domain you are sent to when you type it in. Every month the add new domains into the mix, all overseas and out of the reach of the US gov.
After seeing this I've come to the conclusion the the goverment really can't stop this kind of thing from happening. They make examples out of sites occasionally but have little to no effect on the pirate sites as a whole.
The music industry brought down Napster, but mp3 torrents are still being shared today... even more with the addition of ipod and like devices.
The belief that information and media should all be free to everyone (a popular belief of hackers and original internet users) is and will always be the thing that keeps the govenments of the world from taking control of the web.
Egypt and China as well as others might do thier best to restrict the flow of information but the genie is already out of the bottle. Big business has a right to try and protect thier profits, but as long as the product is or can be digital they will have pirates sharing their products free online.
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Been said on here way too many times,.... "Their" idea of pay-per-view is buying Direct's entire NFL package. I call BS on that.
and a satellite package. I don't need all that. I just want a single game a week(when I'm not working). If I got it this year, I'd pay around $250-300 to watch only 7 games because I ended up working some sunday mornings and the last game was on local tv out here. Not to mention the dish i'd have to rig on my apt balcony that may not even have a clear view to get the signal.
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I'd pay 5-8 bucks a game to get just the game I want each week on TV or online. It's still cheaper then NFL ticket, and less than going to a bar for the game.
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I think that access to a team's games should be availabe to fans, and it should cost no more than 1/3 the price of the least expensive ticket.
If the least expensive ticket is $30, then online game access should be no more than $10 per game.
I bet that you would get TONS of fans willing to pay that for access to their favorite team's games. The NFL would benefit, because they would sell the crap out of such packages. I'm sure that those who watch crappy video that is 10 plays behind now would happily pay $10 per game to watch clear and up to date video of the games. I know I would if they also allowed fans to buy blacked out games.
I sometimes think that the NFL (and business) think in these huge terms and they wind up losing a lot of potential business as a result. I mean, would you rather sell 1000 $300 season ticket dish packages ..... or 100,000 $10 game sales? Hell, I bet that a lot of people with dish access would still buy the packages so they could watch the games on their big screen TVs .. so the NFL probably wouldn't lose much at all.
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What is the financial difference between watching NFL on tv or on atdhe? The commercials are still there. Isn't it just tv but over the internet?
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Well, that is the argument made by certain sites like ivi.tv. The difference is that ivi.tv is actually paying royalties like a cable company would, and does not add an advertisements of any kind to their site, or to the content being rebroadcast.
I believe that this site in question does advertise on their site.(?) I have never used it, so I can't say for sure. I am sure that they are not paying any kind of royalties, so that would make them 100% not in compliance in any way, shape, or form.
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That address comes up with an "account suspended" page.
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I think that access to a team's games should be availabe to fans, and it should cost no more than 1/3 the price of the least expensive ticket.
If the least expensive ticket is $30, then online game access should be no more than $10 per game.
I bet that you would get TONS of fans willing to pay that for access to their favorite team's games. The NFL would benefit, because they would sell the crap out of such packages. I'm sure that those who watch crappy video that is 10 plays behind now would happily pay $10 per game to watch clear and up to date video of the games. I know I would if they also allowed fans to buy blacked out games.
I sometimes think that the NFL (and business) think in these huge terms and they wind up losing a lot of potential business as a result. I mean, would you rather sell 1000 $300 season ticket dish packages ..... or 100,000 $10 game sales? Hell, I bet that a lot of people with dish access would still buy the packages so they could watch the games on their big screen TVs .. so the NFL probably wouldn't lose much at all.
I think you would have millions who would pay $20 a game, so your price point is too low IMO.
If and when this comes to fruition, I would expect it to be in the $15-$17 per game range.
The cable operator isn't going to do it for less than $3-4 a game, and the NFL is going to want $10. That leaves $2-3 for whoever else would be involved...the networks I suppose for rebroadcast rights.
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I think that access to a team's games should be availabe to fans, and it should cost no more than 1/3 the price of the least expensive ticket.
If the least expensive ticket is $30, then online game access should be no more than $10 per game.
I bet that you would get TONS of fans willing to pay that for access to their favorite team's games. The NFL would benefit, because they would sell the crap out of such packages. I'm sure that those who watch crappy video that is 10 plays behind now would happily pay $10 per game to watch clear and up to date video of the games. I know I would if they also allowed fans to buy blacked out games.
I sometimes think that the NFL (and business) think in these huge terms and they wind up losing a lot of potential business as a result. I mean, would you rather sell 1000 $300 season ticket dish packages ..... or 100,000 $10 game sales? Hell, I bet that a lot of people with dish access would still buy the packages so they could watch the games on their big screen TVs .. so the NFL probably wouldn't lose much at all.
I think you would have millions who would pay $20 a game, so your price point is too low IMO.
If and when this comes to fruition, I would expect it to be in the $15-$17 per game range.
The cable operator isn't going to do it for less than $3-4 a game, and the NFL is going to want $10. That leaves $2-3 for whoever else would be involved...the networks I suppose for rebroadcast rights.
Isn't NFL ticket like $280-$300? So at $20 a game your already talking $320/season. Might as well just get Direct TV.
I think the 10-12 dollar range would be the right price point for single game internet viewing.
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Use the $15--$17 figure I mentioned....funny how it falls in line with the direct TV amount. 
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The difference is that I am talking about a "team ticket", not an NFL ticket.
Think how many people would pay to follow their team, as opposed to having to pay a lot more to get every team's games.
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in the Titans, or Rams, or Raiders, or any of the other teams. I watch the Browns, and whatever is on free TV. I can watch the ESPN games online legitimately, and have yet to do so.
If the NFL offered Browns fans a "Browns Season Ticket" with online access to every Browns game for example, and charged $8-$10 per game, I bet they would clean up. I bet you could talk a lot of displaced fans into the fact that $150 - $160 for the season is rather cheap in order to see all of your favorite team's games.
They could still offer the more traditional package for $240 or whatever, and in fact, they might even sell more because of the small difference in price.
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Thats a good point, though for all intents and purposes I would bet the vast majority of Sunday Ticket subscriptions are sold to people who are buying it who are only interested in watching 'their" team.
I am sure some are just football junkies, but on the whole I would think that number is fairly small.
I don't know how much 'value added' it is having access to all games.
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You are not factoring in weeks were some people cannot watch games. Not everyone has the luxury of having every Sunday off or even having time every Sunday to watch the game. So basically, you are still paying for that week, but you cannot watch it.
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Use the $15--$17 figure I mentioned....funny how it falls in line with the direct TV amount.
You are not factoring in weeks were some people cannot watch games. Not everyone has the luxury of having every Sunday off or even having time every Sunday to watch the game. So basically, you are still paying for that week, but you cannot watch it.
No I'm not..I am just saying I would expect the fee to be $15 or so every time you used the service....be it once a year or 16 times a year.
If you did use it the max, it matches with that you pay now.
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Example in the micro scale is the Browns closing the Legends club for everyone at the game and charging the $300 / seat / season just to walk into the place. It was empty every time I looked in the place (my seats are one row from the windows in the place). Prior to that, the bar was wall to wall with patrons paying ridiculous prices like $7 for beers and $11+ for shots. There is no way that room made anywhere close to the cash it did before. Bad business all the way around; lost revenue in the business model and upset your ticket paying fans.
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Use the $15--$17 figure I mentioned....funny how it falls in line with the direct TV amount.
You are not factoring in weeks were some people cannot watch games. Not everyone has the luxury of having every Sunday off or even having time every Sunday to watch the game. So basically, you are still paying for that week, but you cannot watch it.
No I'm not..I am just saying I would expect the fee to be $15 or so every time you used the service....be it once a year or 16 times a year.
If you did use it the max, it matches with that you pay now.
That is if you use it to the max. I wouldn't have used it to the max this year due to work. And it's easier to justify $15 a week rather than $300 in one lump sum(and that is still not including the monthly service fee you still need to pay to DirecTV). I don't even pay for Cable TV. My entertainment is via free HULU and Netflix($9) and my cable internet bill($40) and I still get the basic channels through Cable (They don't shut it off and you can easily just connect a cable to your tv and get it even if you only get internet from them). I cannot afford also paying DirecTV each month, when I have no use for it just for the Sunday Ticket, whereas I would be more willing to pay for a game when I want to watch it online.
NF Sunday Ticket is a poor model.
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What are you talking about??
All I am saying is it will cost about what it costs on Direct Ticket if you broke Direct Ticket down on a game by game (Sunday by Sunday ) basis.
Are you drunk or just having a bad day??
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All I am saying is it will cost about what it costs on Direct Ticket if you broke Direct Ticket down on a game by game (Sunday by Sunday ) basis.
Are you drunk or just having a bad day??
All I am saying is that the cost would only match Sunday Ticket if you watched a game every week, which not everyone has the luxury of doing. And that you forgot about DirecTV's monthly fee as well. It's more economically viable for some people to buy games on a weekly basis as opposed to a season basis.
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So is everybody else.
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