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Watching the Green Bay Packers win the Super Bowl last night really got me to thinking. How could a team that had FIFTEEN players on the injured reserve, a team that lost THREE more players during the Super Bowl game, win the Super Bowl game?
Last night was a great game. Watching that game come down to the wire while the Steelers tried multiple attempts to come back. Watching Aaron Rodgers receivers make costly drops time and again while his throws were virtually pin-point perfect. Seeing that Packer D that was riddled with key injuries manage to hold together strong enough to keep the lead and eventually win the Super Bowl with timely big stops. It was a game that any football fan, not just Packer fans would be proud to watch.
Looking back to our team last year which was often in a similar position, especially down the stretch. We had the most players on the IR out of the entire NFL, when those injuries became too much they could be argued as one of the lead contributors that cost Eric Mangini his job as our HC. This isn't about that, just a fair point. But injuries and team depth were arguably major themes to the Browns 2010 season.
It was the Packer's DEPTH that won them that Super Bowl. When Charles Woodson wen down, that was a bit of a heart stopper moment. the Packers D even seemed to feel the immediate aftershock of that as the Steelers then marched down the field for a Touchdown that seemed rather unrivaled. When the chips were down though, the Packers D kept the Steeler offense in check. It was their Depth that kept them in that. If we were in those shoes, and two of our core elements of our secondary went down. We would have virtually thrown in the towel.
The Packers are a model mold for ALL NFL franchises that are looking to turn it around. Their team was built through the draft, with key Free Agents such as Charles Woodson that were brought in for leadership.
The point in the end here is that we are just beginning our turn around. This is year two of a rebuild. The off-season will give way to the eventual CBA crisis eventually and I expect that will put most everything on hold. We had a great draft last year and if we can continue to build the team with drafts like we had in 2010, we WILL have a team that we will be proud to cheer for, for reasons beyond simple pride and spirit for the Brown and Orange.
We have some of the pieces in place. We've got Mr. McCoy who is a good young QB who will only improve. We've got two important pieces of our secondary in Ward and Haden. A YOUNG D-Lineman in Rubin with more up-side as well IMO. We've got some younger pro-bowl studs as the core of our offensive line which will need to be added upon. I know at times it looks bleak but the foundation the Browns are establishing is what will make us a success in the future.
We will add play makers on both sides of the ball we will eventually add depth to all positions and maybe, just maybe we will have a team that can win close ball games and fight through injuries and MAKE the Playoffs and heaven forbid, make a splash in the Playoffs.
These are lessons learned from the Super Bowl champions. THIS is why I believe the future is bright for the Cleveland Browns.
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Run the ball and stop the run is a phrase I hear a lot when it comes to things a team needs to do to win. I don't think it is true anymore.
Pass the ball and stop the pass seems more apt for today's game.
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Rodgers, Jennings, Matthews, Raji, Hawk & Peprah would be a good start to any team. Depth is good and kept them in it all the way, but high quality starters got the job done. That third down catch by Jennings and the forced fumble by Matthews were clutch and keys to winning. Rodgers is the top rated passer of all time, and has definitely moved into elite status. In this league, it all starts and ends with the QB spot. Solid coaching doesn't hurt either. They played the pit well.
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"The point in the end here is that we are just beginning our turn around. This is year two of a rebuild. "
Sorry pal,this willbe year 1 of a complete overhaul.New O,new D,and new ST.
It will be many years before we willbe worth a damn.
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#1 lesson...build your team from the draft
#2 lesson...draft well
I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers.
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Load up on WR's if you want to win the AFC North. The way to beat the Steelers is to throw, throw, and throw some more.
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#1 lesson...build your team from the draft
#2 lesson...draft well
I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers.
Can you provide names with this breakdown? I'm not calling you into question, but those numbers are RIDICULOUS. How can you keep that many drafted players on your team in the age of free agency?
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#1 lesson...build your team from the draft
#2 lesson...draft well
I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers.
Can you provide names with this breakdown? I'm not calling you into question, but those numbers are RIDICULOUS. How can you keep that many drafted players on your team in the age of free agency?
I think Mac may be right about the numbers, At least he's close. I went to the GB site and just started clicking on players hames. I went through 20 names and only found 1 guy that had played for another team.
sorry, I got bored doing that so you can continue it yourself if you feel the need.
But what that site doesn't tell you is how a player was brought it. Draft pick, FA, UDFA.. etc etc.
I do remember the announcers yesterday saying that the packers have the youngest team in the league.. That would indicate that many players haven't been around long enough for the team to disinigrate via FA.
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By drafting in the bottom half of the first round instead of the top 10 for starters. That saves you 40 million dollars right there. And each round drafting at the bottom the savings just keep adding up.
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Besides some others that people have pointed out, one thing the Packers did last night was capitalize on turnovers.
Frankly, that's what every good team does, and I think it comes from an aggressive playcalling mentality.
When the Packers got a turnover, it seemed like their mindset was "ok, we're going to really make you pay for turning the ball over."
When the Browns would get turnovers, it seemed our mindset was "oh, well, that was nice. We got the ball back. Let's see what we can do with it, but if we don't do anything, that's ok, because at least we didn't let them score that time."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Can you provide names with this breakdown? I'm not calling you into question, but those numbers are RIDICULOUS. How can you keep that many drafted players on your team in the age of free agency?
Here is the best list of Super Bowl XLV starters I could find (from this and this) and how GB acquired them (from Packers site)
OFFENSE:
QB: Rodgers 2005 1st round
RB: Starks 2010 6th round
WR: Nelson 2008 2nd round
WR: Jennings 2006 2nd round
WR: Driver 1999 7th round
WR: Jones 2007 3rd round
LT: Clifton 2000 2nd round
LG: Colledge 2006 2nd round
C: Wells 2004 7th round
RG: Sitton 2008 4th round
RT: Bulaga 2010 1st round
(TE: Quarless 2010 5th round and FB: Johnson 2009 5th round)
DEFENSE:
LE: Pickett 2006 FA (STL)
NT: Raji 2009 1st round
RE: Jenkins 2003 Undrafted FA
LOLB: Matthews 2009 1st round
LILB: Hawk 2006 1st round
RILB: Bishop 2006 6th round
ROLB: Zombo 2010 Undrafted FA
LCB: Woodson 2006 FA (OAK)
FS: Collins 2005 2nd round
SS: Peprah 2010 FA (ATL)
RCB: Williams 2006 FA (Cut by Houston after preseason of rookie year, picked up by GB in November)
One thing to keep in mind is GB has 6 starters on IR (RB: Grant 2007 Trade (NYG), TE: Finley 2008 3rd round, RT: Tauscher 2000 7th round, ROLB: Jones 2009 7th round, RILB Barnett 2003 1st round, SS Barnett 2010 3rd round)
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looks like they hit on all their 1st to 3rd round picks
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#1 lesson...build your team from the draft
#2 lesson...draft well
I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers.
Can you provide names with this breakdown? I'm not calling you into question, but those numbers are RIDICULOUS. How can you keep that many drafted players on your team in the age of free agency?
mrdna...sure you are (calling you into question)...it's ok...find an updated roster, go down the list and see which players were drafted by the Packers.
Takes a little time and effort but if you do that, you might find out if there are any lessons to be learned from the Packers.
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Savvy front offices in Green Bay, Pittsburgh offer a Super Bowl road map for the Cleveland Browns: Terry Pluto
Tuesday, February 08, 2011, 12:27 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- There's no need to insult Browns' fans by simply saying their favorite team must draft better if it's ever to even dare to dream about reaching the Super Bowl.
But until I read a post by Chris Malumphy on DraftHistory.com, I never realized how deep the homegrown roots are for winner Green Bay and that team from Western Pennsylvania that so torments the Browns.
Consider this: 37 of 44 players -- 11 on offense and defense for each team -- who started most of the games for Pittsburgh and Green Bay this season were either drafted by their current teams or were signed as undrafted free agents.
It all comes down to one word: Scouting.
Nine of 11 starters on offense for Pittsburgh were draft picks.
Browns fans can reach for the Tums every time they think about how Butch Davis passed on Ben Roethlisberger and selected tight end Kellen Winslow instead during the 2004 first round. Davis traded a second-round pick to move up from seventh to sixth -- a single spot -- to select Winslow.
Roethlisberger was the No. 11 pick in that draft.
But it's not only Big Ben that made the Steelers. It's how they found running back Rashard Mendenhall at No. 23 in 2008. Or Hines Ward at No. 92 in 1998. Or speedy receiver Mike Wallace at No. 84 in 2009, the same year the Browns picked receivers Brian Robiskie (No. 36) and Mohamed Massaquoi (No. 50).
The Steelers had four first-round picks starting on offense, four more on defense. None were drafted higher than No. 11.
That's scouting.
Or how about this? As Malumphy pointed out, since winning the 2009 Super Bowl, the Steelers have six new starters on offense. They just keep finding players.
Pittsburgh's defense had 10 starters either drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. Some were cut by other teams, such as Kent State product James Harrison. The point is the Steelers keep restocking talent without being at the top of the draft.
The story is much the same for Green Bay.
Franchise quarterback Aaron Rodgers was the No. 25 pick in the 2005 draft, the same year the Browns picked Braylon Edwards (No. 3), Brodney Pool (No. 34) and Charlie Frye (No. 67). Who knew that Rodgers would not only replace Brett Favre, but make people in Green Bay glad to see the aging quarterback leave?
Teams such as Washington keep trying to take shortcuts by signing overpriced free agents, many of whom are well over the hill.
The good teams not only draft well, but develop their low-round picks and undrafted free agents into viable players. That is something former coach Eric Mangini was doing with his "opportunity periods" after practice, which yielded the likes of Marcus Benard, Evan Moore and Brian Schaefering.
The Browns started six of their own picks on offense for most games: Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, Lawrence Vickers, Colt McCoy, Robiskie and Massaquoi. On defense, it was a mere three: Ahtyba Rubin, Joe Haden and T.J. Ward -- and Haden started only seven games, replacing Eric Wright (another draft pick).
You can play a bit with the numbers, but the Browns started no more than nine of their own picks in most games.
Ten of 11 Packer offensive starters were draft picks, the other was James Starks -- signed as an undrafted free agent.
The obvious point is the Browns must draft better. But just as critical, they need the same front office doing the drafting. When a team consistently changes front offices and/or coaches, there is a tendency for the new regime to dump the players picked by the old guys in charge.
Former first rounders Kamerion Wimbley (Oakland), Winslow (Tampa Bay), Edwards (Jets) are starting elsewhere. Some of the deals were good, some were not. But the lack of continuity in the front office leads to constant changing of the roster.
OK, here's the bright side.
While Mike Holmgren is the team president and it was his idea to grab McCoy in the third round, the draft is being driven by Tom Heckert. Under his watch, the 2010 draft produced three starters: Haden, Ward and McCoy.
Heckert's last season with Philadelphia was 2009, when the Eagles had 15 starters who either were his draft picks or signed as undrafted free agents. In his second season as the Browns' general manager, Heckert's background is scouting.
As this Super Bowl showed, that's what separates the winners from losers in the NFL.
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This is nothing new. My brother and I have been telling each other this for years.
But there isalways an element of doubt, as the draft is a crapshoot. I would say the Packers and the Steelers have been as lucky as they have been efficient, and when those two paths cross, you get opportunity.
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This is nothing new. My brother and I have been telling each other this for years.
But there isalways an element of doubt, as the draft is a crapshoot. I would say the Packers and the Steelers have been as lucky as they have been efficient, and when those two paths cross, you get opportunity.
Lucky is when you draft a couple of players that work out over a period of a few years.
The Steelers have been doing it relatively consistently for 40 years.. That's not luck, that's skill....LOL
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...find an updated roster, go down the list and see which players were drafted by the Packers.
Takes a little time and effort but if you do that, you might find out if there are any lessons to be learned from the Packers.
I'm sure you remember mac that there was a time on this board that if you came up with the type of information as you provided in this instance that you were expected/required to provide also a link to where you got your information.
It was never intended that the reader was responsible for looking up your information in an effort to prove you right. That was always the responsibility of the one providing the information.
I know this board has gotten away from that sort of requirement which has led to many people saying things they "think" they remember reading or perhaps read but interpreted wrongly.
Still, us older members should stick to the original intent of having to prove our information, not expecting others to go dig for it. After all, we found it on the internet so it should be easy to provide the link.
I'm not saying anything you've provided has been wrong or misleading. I'm just saying us older members know what it used to be like here and how that simple concept kept this board one of the most reliable boards you could visit. It kept it free from mistaken information in the first place.
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FYI,, I did go to the packers roster and sure enough, he's pretty much right. But your point is well taken Ddub.. he should have provided a link to end any speculation.
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The obvious point is the Browns must draft better. But just as critical, they need the same front office doing the drafting. When a team consistently changes front offices and/or coaches, there is a tendency for the new regime to dump the players picked by the old guys in charge.
This is the problem.
I take a look at Jerome Harrison.
Problem 1) The guy has talent for sure, but Romeo did not like his style, more importantly his blocking.
Problem 2) In comes a new head coach, gives Harrison a chance, but sees the same thing Romeo did. The guy is talented, but doesn't block well. Enter Hillis.
Savage and Romeo not clicking did not help. Both had different mentalities of guys they wanted. Another name that comes to mind is our first round pick (really 4th round) Beau Bell. Savage saw talent, but Crennel didn't like the pick.
The ONLY thing that makes me feel good about Cleveland's future is the fact that everyone is "supposedly" on the same page. Heckert, Shurmur, Holmgren all are "supposedly" wanting the same things, and from that SHOULD draft better, and build a better team because of it. I think FINALLY, we will have guys on this team where we use them for what they are good at, b/c the coaches that brought them in will have confidence in them that they can succeed.
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...find an updated roster, go down the list and see which players were drafted by the Packers.
Takes a little time and effort but if you do that, you might find out if there are any lessons to be learned from the Packers.
I'm sure you remember mac that there was a time on this board that if you came up with the type of information as you provided in this instance that you were expected/required to provide also a link to where you got your information.
It was never intended that the reader was responsible for looking up your information in an effort to prove you right. That was always the responsibility of the one providing the information.
I know this board has gotten away from that sort of requirement which has led to many people saying things they "think" they remember reading or perhaps read but interpreted wrongly.
Still, us older members should stick to the original intent of having to prove our information, not expecting others to go dig for it. After all, we found it on the internet so it should be easy to provide the link.
I'm not saying anything you've provided has been wrong or misleading. I'm just saying us older members know what it used to be like here and how that simple concept kept this board one of the most reliable boards you could visit. It kept it free from mistaken information in the first place.
ddub...I told you and everyone how I came up with the info...
..."I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers"....
...dub....I went back 5 or 6 drafts reviewed the info and looked at a current Packers roster...you want links to this info?
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...find an updated roster, go down the list and see which players were drafted by the Packers.
Takes a little time and effort but if you do that, you might find out if there are any lessons to be learned from the Packers.
I'm sure you remember mac that there was a time on this board that if you came up with the type of information as you provided in this instance that you were expected/required to provide also a link to where you got your information.
It was never intended that the reader was responsible for looking up your information in an effort to prove you right. That was always the responsibility of the one providing the information.
I know this board has gotten away from that sort of requirement which has led to many people saying things they "think" they remember reading or perhaps read but interpreted wrongly.
Still, us older members should stick to the original intent of having to prove our information, not expecting others to go dig for it. After all, we found it on the internet so it should be easy to provide the link.
I'm not saying anything you've provided has been wrong or misleading. I'm just saying us older members know what it used to be like here and how that simple concept kept this board one of the most reliable boards you could visit. It kept it free from mistaken information in the first place.
ddub...I told you and everyone how I came up with the info...
..."I went back 5 or 6 drafts and rarely did the Packer miss on their top two draft picks. Those top draft picks are the backbone of their team and the other players drafted will remain with the Packers if they are good enough...some will eventually start...some will be the depth.
All but 1 starter on offense was a drafted by the Packers
All but 3 of the starters on defense were drafted by the Packers
Bottom line...the Packers build through the draft and they like to keep the players they draft rather than bringing in players from other teams.
Of the 65 players listed on the Packers roster, only 10 players were not drafted by the Packers"....
...dub....I went back 5 or 6 drafts reviewed the info and looked at a current Packers roster...you want links to this info?
Yes, that's what would verify what your saying Mac.. Links to the sites you used to determine that info..
I did it another way, I went to the Packers roster and just opened up a bunch of them and found that you were probably spot on.. so I got no problem with the data..
But in the past, when people have posted something like this, they've been required to link to the data somewhere...
That's all Ddub is saying..
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Duh, for years our playcalling has accommodated the steeler defense. Once I saw us vary from that and we torched in the playoffs only to watch the defense of ours play prevent and lose. You leave in blocking, you run seam and slant routs and make them COVER. that defense is so used to attacking that if you leave in enough blocking to hold off the blitz you can cut them off. How many times was MVP Palamalu suckered and out of position.
yet we call running plays to the same holes in the same situations and are always in 3rd and long situations, rarely throw downfield and get butchered. game after game. SOS(stuck on stupid). the years after we torched Pukesburgh they finished 6-10 as the rest of the NFL followed suite. I am hopeful for the west coast yet even the packers let the steelers back in as they tried play action and the steelers buried Rogers on several bltizes. As long as he had the blockers he hit downfield, yet the pack also ran an empty backfield way too many times and the rush hurried his throws.
Maybe we learn from that.
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Akronkoe, I size this up the way you do in large part. I have gagged and retched watching us do the same ineffective stuff offensively especially and especially against the Steelers. We have handed out division wins like Halloween candy with few exceptions. I saw in the Cheeseheads offense what I have wanted from us and for us. The throwing effectively with an adequate running game forced them out of the box and worked well enough. Our "gameplans" for the most part, have been ineffective. I welcome something that will challenge people much more than we have. 
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How many times was MVP Palamalu suckered and out of position.
Yup. The Pack ran 4-5 wides and kept Palmolive out of the box. Made him cover, a skill at which he is mortal. About the only thing I saw him do Sunday was hit someone high across the back with his forearms after a TD catch.
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AFTER is the key word. We make palamalu better by being so predictable.
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Here's another lesson. Score more points than your opponent.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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How many times was MVP Palamalu suckered and out of position.
Yup. The Pack ran 4-5 wides and kept Palmolive out of the box. Made him cover, a skill at which he is mortal. About the only thing I saw him do Sunday was hit someone high across the back with his forearms after a TD catch.
The Packers pretty much took all of Pittsburgh's playmakers out of the game. That big early lead and big plays late took Mendenhall out of the equation, forcing the pass. Ben is vulnerable when he HAS to pass....his go to guy Ward was doubled up much of the game. They read and countered Pittsburgh's blitzing beautifully. The game plan was nothing short of genius....especially given the injuries.
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dont' forget to give that DB-Bush major, major credit for coming in to replace Woodson.
I saw him single-covering Wallace on a bunch of plays and since Ben never went to his deep threat, he must have been doing a good job (can't see deep with most of those TV views).
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dont' forget to give that DB-Bush major, major credit for coming in to replace Woodson.
I saw him single-covering Wallace on a bunch of plays and since Ben never went to his deep threat, he must have been doing a good job (can't see deep with most of those TV views).
More proof you can't have too many corners who can play.
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...dub....I went back 5 or 6 drafts reviewed the info and looked at a current Packers roster...you want links to this info?
I don't now mac. But since you were there it would have been an appropriate addition to your post. I wasn't calling you out so am sorry if you took it that way. But by some of the responses I just felt it necessary to remind everyone through a reply to you of how we used to do it in earlier times. It avoided a lot of confusion and questions back then and still would today.
I'm sure you'll agree that there is a lot of people saying a lot of things a lot of times without backing them up. No big deal for the most part. But some of it I find hard to believe so I disregard it until I know for sure. If it's important enough to me I'll look it up for myself. But many times, even if it's not important enough to me I find that it is important enough to others and a discussion arises over information that either isn't correct or no one entering the discussion knows if it's correct for sure. But it gets discussed anyway.
I was just using an old member to make a point figuring you'd understand where I was coming from since you've been here so long. Like you did, I find myself sometimes not including a link with a factual comment. It's a habit I've developed lately since it's done so much by others. There's no excuse for me either.
Remember the old days when just about any time someone would offer up statistics or supposedly factual information without a link someone would surely ask for one? It just kept the board reliably factual and I for one liked that. I'm sure being an older member that you notice that it's not quite that way anymore. Not as factually reliable as it used to be.
I'm not bitching. We still have our board. But you and a lot of the older members know what I'm talking about.
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No first round picks on WR's or TE's!!!!
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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There are no lessons to learn from the packers.
the Packers couldn't get any 1st downs in the first 4 possessions of the 2nd half.
the Packers couldn't run the ball vs Pittsburgh.
the Packers couldn't stop Pittsburgh from scoring on their last possession before the halftime.
I don't care what the scoreboard said, Pittsburgh tanked that game, Pittsburg is the tougher team to beat, I have no respect for the Packers performance in That game; therefore there are no lessons to learn.
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How about, it is not Scouting, maybe it is Coaching, maybe they just demand success from those players that actually make their team.
Opposed to what the Browns have done since 99, which is
Cut anybody good, badmouth them after they leave,( this board, not the team, ) and plug in somebody , ANYBODY to take their place.
" get me somebody, Anybody!, and get me somebody while I'm waiting."
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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There are no lessons to learn from the packers.
the Packers couldn't get any 1st downs in the first 4 possessions of the 2nd half.
1st and 10 at GB 43 A.Rodgers pass deep right to J.Nelson to PIT 40 for 17 yards (B.McFadden).
From the 3rd possession of the third quarter.
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the Packers couldn't run the ball vs Pittsburgh.
Starks averaged almost 5 yards a carry against the Steelers.
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the Packers couldn't stop Pittsburgh from scoring on their last possession before the halftime.
So the Steelers scored a TD, after the Packers lost Sam Shields and Charles Woodson on the possession. Go figure losing a nickelback and #1 corner can cause a team to give up a TD.
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There are no lessons to learn from the packers.
the Packers couldn't get any 1st downs in the first 4 possessions of the 2nd half.
the Packers couldn't run the ball vs Pittsburgh.
the Packers couldn't stop Pittsburgh from scoring on their last possession before the halftime.
I don't care what the scoreboard said, Pittsburgh tanked that game, Pittsburg is the tougher team to beat, I have no respect for the Packers performance in That game; therefore there are no lessons to learn.
Did we watch the same game?
The Packers took away every major weapon the steelers had.
The Packers made plays when they had to.
The Packers won the trenches on both sides of the ball.
The Packers were the better team.
The steelers could not sustain any momentum as the Packers had an answer to anything they tried.... and the score reflected it. The steelers didn't tank, they were beaten by a better team.
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What are you thinking using logic on this message board??
Don't you know that since LeBeau designed the Zone Blitz to beat the WCO, nobody with a WCO could beat the steelers unless they just quit.
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TL,, I couldn't agree with you less..
The packers won the game.. They took away everything the Pittsburgh D was trying to do.
Were they perfect,, of course not.. but they WON THE GAME...
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I don't care what the scoreboard said, Pittsburgh tanked that game, Pittsburg is the tougher team to beat, I have no respect for the Packers performance in That game; therefore there are no lessons to learn.
Hmm... sounds like someone is extremely bitter over a lost bet. 
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