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Sorry, but I simply can't see Rubin as a nose. He may be quick for his size, but not for an undertackle. He simply isn't a pass rusher or penetrater, which is what you want at the position. I did not intend to imply that he is only for taking up blockers, but that is what he's best at, hence him being a 3-4 nose. I actually agree that a switch to a 4-3 may benefit him, but as a 1 tech, not a 3. But don't just take my word for it: Quote:
Strengths: Natural nose tackle build…stout at the point of attack…good motor and willing to keep work…occupies multiple blockers…elite strength…agility is a little better than most will give him credit for…natural run stuffer…
Weaknesses: Really needs to work to understand leverage better…virtually no pass rush skills…slow off the line…stamina is an issue…only valuable inside…display poor use of hands to keep guards off of him…lacks ideal height…raw prospect…
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Says the guy who can't spell the word. I was honestly asking a question with no intended condescension. There are many people who don't understand the roles, and I thought that you had possibly misspoke. With that said, I entirely disagree with you. Rubin is a big, slow, run stopping defensive tackle who is at his best taking up blockers. He isn't a guy who can penetrate; he is someone who takes up blockers. Dareus is someone who gets into the backfield and makes plays. Using him to take up blockers is a waste of his ability.
I disagree that one Rubin is slow and two that Dareus is a penetrating DT.
He was anything but that.
He was used as all 5 techs are used and that's to be a block eater and that's why he is considered the top 5 technique prospect in the draft. He is not a great pass rusher nor does he have a great first step. His best assets are his strength, leverage and use of his hands.
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Fair enough. I hope the Browns are able to draft one of those two guys in April and Jauron can make the best out of their abilities.
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Says the guy who can't spell the word. I was honestly asking a question with no intended condescension. There are many people who don't understand the roles, and I thought that you had possibly misspoke. With that said, I entirely disagree with you. Rubin is a big, slow, run stopping defensive tackle who is at his best taking up blockers. He isn't a guy who can penetrate; he is someone who takes up blockers. Dareus is someone who gets into the backfield and makes plays. Using him to take up blockers is a waste of his ability.
I disagree that one Rubin is slow and two that Dareus is a penetrating DT.
He was anything but that.
He was used as all 5 techs are used and that's to be a block eater and that's why he is considered the top 5 technique prospect in the draft. He is not a great pass rusher nor does he have a great first step. His best assets are his strength, leverage and use of his hands.
If we run a 2 gap system with our DTs he would be perfect with Rubin
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Strengths: Natural nose tackle build…stout at the point of attack…good motor and willing to keep work…occupies multiple blockers…elite strength…agility is a little better than most will give him credit for…natural run stuffer…
Weaknesses: Really needs to work to understand leverage better…virtually no pass rush skills…slow off the line…stamina is an issue…only valuable inside…display poor use of hands to keep guards off of him…lacks ideal height…raw prospect…
Obviously this is old information and needs to be updated.
Rubin is not that player
(not that I agree he ever was) I had him going much sooner then he did, but was happy just the same that we picked him.
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Says the guy who can't spell the word. I was honestly asking a question with no intended condescension. There are many people who don't understand the roles, and I thought that you had possibly misspoke. With that said, I entirely disagree with you. Rubin is a big, slow, run stopping defensive tackle who is at his best taking up blockers. He isn't a guy who can penetrate; he is someone who takes up blockers. Dareus is someone who gets into the backfield and makes plays. Using him to take up blockers is a waste of his ability.
I disagree that one Rubin is slow and two that Dareus is a penetrating DT.
He was anything but that.
He was used as all 5 techs are used and that's to be a block eater and that's why he is considered the top 5 technique prospect in the draft. He is not a great pass rusher nor does he have a great first step. His best assets are his strength, leverage and use of his hands.
If we run a 2 gap system with our DTs he would be perfect with Rubin
It's hard to judge how Dareus will be in a 1 gap position.
He has the talent to be a real force against the run, but don't expect Suh kinda penetrating plays or someone who can put consistent pressure on the QB.
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Sorry, but I simply can't see Rubin as a nose. He may be quick for his size, but not for an undertackle. He simply isn't a pass rusher or penetrater, which is what you want at the position. I did not intend to imply that he is only for taking up blockers, but that is what he's best at, hence him being a 3-4 nose. I actually agree that a switch to a 4-3 may benefit him, but as a 1 tech, not a 3. But don't just take my word for it:
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Weaknesses: Really needs to work to understand leverage better…virtually no pass rush skills…slow off the line…stamina is an issue…only valuable inside…display poor use of hands to keep guards off of him…lacks ideal height…raw prospect…
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It will be interesting to see how Rubin does in the 4-3. He did make incredible strides in the 3-4 and is now a solid 3-4 NT. Honestly though, it wouldn;t surprise me too much if you see him traded away for picks to a 3-4 team desperate for a good NT.
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As I later clarified, I don't think Rubin is slow, but he isn't quick enough to play UT. Also, Dareus isn't really a penetrater, I agree, but he also isn't a pure run stopper. He makes plays in the backfield and doesn't simply hold blockers. He can play either defensive tackle position, but his best fit is in a 3-4.
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As I later clarified, I don't think Rubin is slow, but he isn't quick enough to play UT. Also, Dareus isn't really a penetrater, I agree, but he also isn't a pure run stopper. He makes plays in the backfield and doesn't simply hold blockers. He can play either defensive tackle position, but his best fit is in a 3-4.
I agree with that.
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Also if we draft dareus we could still run some 3-4 looks and be effective IMO
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Kiper has us taking J.J. Watt at #6.
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Well I like J.J Watt alot and I think he is gonna be a great player but there will be more talented people at 6 than him so I don't know why Kip[er would have us taking him that high.
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especially with Dareus still on the board.
(Fairley, Bowers, Newton, Green, Miller)
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NFL draft countdown has updated there mock and has us selecting Nick Fairley. 
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Round 1: Da'Quan Bowers Round 2: Patrick Perterson Round 3: AJ Green Round 4: Gabe Carimi Round 5: Titus Young Roun.... ....What? 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I was just told that Kiper has us taking J.J. Watt in the first w/ Dareus, Quinn and both CBs still on the board.
*Gunshot heard in the distance*
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I wasn't quick enough. Was just repeating what cfr already posted above.
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Unless JJ Watt is the next Jared Allen (Because obviously he can't be the next Julius Peppers right?  ) Then NO WAY am I taking him at 6...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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More like a Mario Williams/Michael Strahan strongman type than either of those guys IMO.
*** not saying as good by any means, just that style of DE. ***
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I was making a joke in reference to White players can only be like other good white players... Peyton Hillis/Mike Allstott kinda thing
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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especially with Dareus still on the board.
(Fairley, Bowers, Newton, Green, Miller)
passing up Dareus and Peterson for Watt? Wait, what?
(forgot, Kiper only cares about what his mock drafts say the week before the actual draft. until then, he likes to put random things in so he can "adjust" his mock later and drive up the click numbers)
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Mel Kiper is an admited Ravens Fan, ( it is common knowledge) , therefore he doesn't really have the Browns best interest in mind. So maybe it is just wishful thinking on his part that the Browns would take JJ Watt, who isn't really that good of a player.
correction: He is that good of a player, but Not compared to the rest of this draft class at his various positions. ( the various positions amoung the front 7 )
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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NFL Mock Draft Version 7.0, Pre-Combine Edition
17th February, 2011 - 8:08 pm
Jeff Risdon/RealGM - The NFL Scouting Combine kicks off next week, which presents the last real chance for significant movement up or down draft boards. Most teams use the Combine workouts to confirm and verify what they have seen on tape, not to make rash judgments based on an outstanding or lousy performance. The one area where prospects can really sink or swim is the interview process, which is the one part of the Combine not shown on TV.
This edition is higher on the QBs and lower on the offensive tackles, with a late 1st-round run on the tackles. The first running back doesn’t even make the first round, and I think that is a very likely scenario if Miami and New England pass. The move towards a shared backfield makes RB a less pertinent draft priority.
1. Carolina Panthers: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn.
This slot is his to lose, or have his Auburn teammate Cam Newton usurp it from him. With a good performance during workouts and interviews at the Combine, it’s hard for me to see him not being the #1 pick.
2. Denver Broncos: Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Denver used every single pick they have in this draft on defense. The only starting spots on defense set for beyond 2011 are defensive end (Dumervil and Ayers). Most think Dareus is a more natural 3-4 end, but John Fox loves his bulwark tackles, and Dareus has the bulk to pull it off.
3. Buffalo Bills: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn.
Newton’s upside is too high to fall much below this slot, and Chan Gailey is perhaps the best possible coach for him. Gailey isn’t afraid to be creative and play to the strengths of his QBs. Just a guess here, Bills fans, step back from the ledge…
4. Cincinnati Bengals: Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson.
Like the Bills above, this is not necessarily their biggest need, but Bowers could pair with Carlos Dunlap to provide a huge, lethal set of athletic ends to make life difficult for opposing offenses.
5. Arizona Cardinals: Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M.
New DC Ray Horton lives and breathes pressure defense. Miller is the best pass rusher in this draft and has shown he can fit very well in a zone blitz scheme. I strongly believe the Cards will attack their QB issue with a veteran acquisition.
6. Cleveland Browns: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia.
The Browns need a #1 WR more than any other team needs any other position, save for maybe Dallas at offensive tackle or Minnesota at quarterback. Green is the clear cream of the WR crop; it’s not close, and that’s despite having a lot of talented wideouts in this draft.
7. San Francisco 49ers: Aldon Smith, LB, Missouri.
I see the 49ers being in the same boat as Cleveland last year regarding their QB situation. A veteran will be brought in, and they’ll spend a high pick on one as well…just not their first pick. The pass rush has to improve, and Smith is a great, long athlete that can find the QB.
8. Tennessee Titans: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri.
The coaching changes buy them a developmental year for a rookie QB, and Gabbert has shown he can make all the throws--most of the time. A year with Kerry Collins mentoring and sharing the load should do wonders and set the Titans at QB for years. Hopefully.
9. Dallas Cowboys: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU.
Even though they desperately need at least one starting offensive tackle, they can’t pass on such potential dominance at another position of dire need. As splashy as Peterson is, it’s rare for corners to go above this range and he has more warts than the general public thinks. The depth of the offensive tackle class allows them to afford the shot here.
10. Washington Redskins: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama.
I get the feeling Mike Shanahan isn’t as worried about their QB situation as everyone else is. Whoever is taking snaps (Kyle Orton? Rex Grossman? Alex Smith?) will need better receivers, and Jones has a chance to be special.
11. Houston Texans: Robert Quinn, LB, North Carolina.
Upgrading the pass rush and moving to the 3-4 defense means the Texans need some juice at OLB. Quinn was dripping with juice in 2009, and his 2010 suspension won’t be held against him.
12. Minnesota Vikings: Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas.
Big, strong-armed, and fearless, Mallett can make plays that generate the “wow” factor. Many worry about his ability to handle pressure, both on the field and in the locker room, but the Vikings are desperate for QB help and Mallett could be a very good one.
13. Detroit Lions: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska.
I’m not convinced the Lions are in love with Prince the way many scouts are, but they’re not blind to his impressive cover skills. They need all coverage skills they can get in a division with Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler.
14. St. Louis Rams: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado.
He might be the best pre-throw cover man in this draft, the kind who plays coverage that says “no chance over here” and not the QB-baiting style of Peterson or Amukamara to a lesser extent. That fits with Steve Spagnuolo’s style.
15. Miami Dolphins: Cameron Jordan, DE, California.
As mentioned above, 3-4 ends are at a premium. Jordan has all the tools to become a very good one, and his off-field charm is great insurance against draft-board sliding.
16. Jacksonville Jaguars: Jake Locker, QB, Washington.
Locker would be the #1 QB without question if he had even rudimentary accuracy. The Jaguars need the intangibles he brings, and there is growing optimism that Locker’s accuracy will improve with a better supporting cast.
17. New England Patriots (from OAK): Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois.
This probably seems high for a player largely unknown outside Big Ten country, but there is a lot of Richard Seymour to his game. The Patriots still haven’t replaced the original Seymour, and need to do so ASAP.
18. San Diego Chargers: Nate Solder, T, Colorado.
The big man has the highest upside of any tackle in this draft, and he’s pretty darn good already. I actually cannot imagine the first tackle coming off the board this late, but this owes to the great defensive talent in this draft. The Chargers are my #1 candidate to trade backwards.
19. New York Giants: Tyron Smith, T, USC.
His weight, or lack thereof, is a concern, but the former TE is a more natural blocker than the Niners’ Joe Staley, also an athletic former TE. The G-Men suffered a major regression on the OL last season and won’t move forward without addressing it.
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue.
Kerrigan has the pelts on the wall to prove he can make plays in the backfield, and his first step is probably the quickest in this draft. The Bucs have to upgrade the pass rush if they want to catch the Saints and Falcons.
21. Kansas City Chiefs: Danny Watkins, G, Baylor.
His advanced age (he’s 26) will turn off some, but for a current playoff team it means he’s game-ready and mature enough to handle expectations. The Chiefs got lucky up front last year and Scott Pioli isn’t the type to depend on a repeat performance.
22. Indianapolis Colts: Anthony Castonzo, T, Boston College.
Castonzo has the versatility to play either tackle spot but also guard, which provides needed options as the Colts perform an overdue overhaul of their offensive line.
23. Philadelphia Eagles: Derek Sherrod, T, Mississippi State.
The run on tackles continues with Sherrod, who has great feet and is good at blocking down the field. That’s an important attribute with a QB that likes to run like Michael Vick and you can bet Andy Reid knows that.
24. New Orleans Saints: Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA.
Ayers is the best of the more traditional LBs in this draft, i.e. not a pass rushing specialist or converted college DE. The Saints can use his presence outside Jon Vilma in a division with some strong tight ends. New Orleans is another good candidate to trade backwards to a team looking for a specific player in this range.
25. Seattle Seahawks: Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh.
He has some off-field issues, but Baldwin has flashed incredible talent between the white lines. Pete Carroll’s hyper-competitive atmosphere could allow the big, physical Baldwin to blossom into the next Brandon Marshall.
26. Baltimore Ravens: JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin.
He fits the Ravens mold--hyper-aggressive, very physical, able to play multiple spots, smart both on and off the field. I suspect that if any of the above offensive tackles were available, they would be the pick here instead.
27. Atlanta Falcons: Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa.
He’s a great fit to rotate with Jon Abraham at RDE, and Clayborn is big and strong enough to slide inside for passing downs. Big Ten running backs are still feeling his hits, and that kind of nastiness is something the Falcons can use.
28. New England Patriots: Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia.
Before his injury issues this draft slot would have been much lower than his talent level dictates. He’s a great all-around player with a high football IQ--a Belichick requisite--and his closing burst is exceptional for a guy his size.
29. Chicago Bears: Maurkice Pouncey, C/G, Florida.
He’s not quite as quick or precise as his Pro Bowl twin brother, but he’s close enough to merit 1st round status. The Bears still need lots of help on the interior OL, as Olin Kreutz isn’t even a summer chicken anymore.
30. New York Jets: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor.
The lack of interior presence was painfully obvious in the playoff loss, and the massive Taylor has the ability to step right in and shore things up.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers: Gabe Carimi, T, Wisconsin.
The way Carimi approaches the position just screams “Steelers”. Not the most nimble afoot or great in pass protection, Carimi uses his length well. But it’s his run blocking prowess and flat-out nastiness that make him a 1st round candidate, and the Steelers can use him right away at either tackle spot.
32. Green Bay Packers: Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami FL.
It’s hard to find any real pressing needs for the Super Bowl champs, but a more reliable WR with size is high on the list. Hankerson overcame the dropsies early in his Hurricanes career and he’s great at both transitioning from receiver to runner as well as perimeter blocking, attributes the Packers admire.
Round 2
33. New England Patriots (from CAR): Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
34. Denver Broncos: Quinton Carter, S, Oklahoma
35. Buffalo Bills: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
36. Cincinnati Bengals: Titus Young, WR/KR, Boise State
37. Arizona Cardinals: Martez Wilson, LB, Illinois
38. Cleveland Browns: Jabaal Sheard, DE/OLB, Pittsburgh
39. San Francisco 49ers: Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State
40. Tennessee Titans: Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
41. Dallas Cowboys: Ben Ijalana, T/G, Villanova
42. Washington Redskins: Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State
43. Houston Texans: Muhammad Wilkerson, DL, Temple
44. Minnesota Vikings: Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State
45. Detroit Lions: Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia
46. St. Louis Rams: Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland
47. Denver Broncos (from MIA): Drake Nevis, DT, LSU
48. Jacksonville Jaguars: Bruce Carter, LB, North Carolina
49. Oakland Raiders: Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
50. San Diego Chargers: Mikel Leshoure, RB, Illinois
51. New York Giants: Rahim Moore, S, UCLA
52. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami FL
53. Kansas City Chiefs: Jerrel Jernigan, WR, Troy
54. Indianapolis Colts: Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
56. New Orleans Saints: Ryan Williams, RB, Virginia Tech
57. Seattle Seahawks: Jurrell Casey, DT, USC
58. Baltimore Ravens: Johnny Patrick, CB, Louisville
59. Atlanta Falcons: Ronald Johnson, WR, USC
60. New England Patriots: Mason Foster, LB, Washington
61. Chicago Bears: Kenrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
62. San Diego Chargers (from NYJ): Deandre McDaniel, S, Clemson
63. Pittsburgh Steelers: Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma State
64. Green Bay Packers: Jason Pinkston, T, Pittsburgh
Round 3
65. Carolina Panthers: Colin Kaepernick, QB, Nevada
66. Denver Broncos: D.J. Williams, TE, Arkansas
67. Buffalo Bills: Quan Sturdivant, LB, North Carolina
68. Cincinnati Bengals: Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State
69. Arizona Cardinals: Clint Boling, G/T, Georgia
70. Cleveland Browns: James Carpenter, T, Alabama
71. San Francisco 49ers: Curtis Marsh, CB, Utah State
72. Tennessee Titans: Luke Stocker, TE, Tennessee
73. Dallas Cowboys: Jaiquawn Jarrett, S, Temple
74. New Orleans Saints (from WAS): Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech
75. Houston Texans: Robert Sands, S, West Virginia
76. New England Patriots (from MIN): Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa
77. Detroit Lions: Kelvin Sheppard, LB, LSU
78. St. Louis Rams: Lance Kendricks, TE, Wisconsin
79. Miami Dolphins: Jordan Todman, RB, UConn
80. Jacksonville Jaguars: Shareece Wright, CB, USC
81. Oakland Raiders: Dontay Moch, LB, Nevada
82. San Diego Chargers: Jarvis Jenkins, DT, Clemson
83. New York Giants: Colin McCarthy, LB, Miami FL
84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Brooks Reid, DE/LB, Arizona
85. Kansas City Chiefs: Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
86. Indianapolis Colts: Ryan Jones, CB, Northwest Missouri State
87. Philadelphia Eagles: Tyler Sash, S, Iowa
88. New Orleans Saints: Allen Bailey, DE, Miami FL
89. San Diego Chargers (from SEA): Jeremy Kerley, WR/KR, TCU
90. Baltimore Ravens: Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky
91. Atlanta Falcons: Rob Housler, TE, Florida Atlantic
92. New England Patriots: Jerard Tarrant, S, Georgia Tech
93. Chicago Bears: Niles Paul, WR, Nebraska
94. New York Jets: Lawrence Wilson, LB, UConn
95. Pittsburgh Steelers: Marcus Gilbert, T, Florida
96. Green Bay Packers: Korey Lindsey, CB, Southern Illinois
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It is gonna change 100 times but right now
1st WR AJ Green He seems to be the one destined to fall in our laps
2nd OG/OT Marcus Cannon Man i love watching this kid play. Reminds me of Larry Allen
3rd OLB Dontay Moch I think he is one of the best in this draft but he is a small linebacker and they tend to fall.
4th RB Derek Locke Ideal 3rd down RB who can get some reps in the slot with good hands and 4.28 speed
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Stopped reading right there... I will be absolutely STUNNED if Cam goes that high.
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3. Buffalo Bills: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn.
Stopped reading right there... I will be absolutely STUNNED if Cam goes that high.
look at draft history though. regardless of actual QB readiness and/or bust factor, a QB tends to go very high in the draft. therefore, if Cam is the guy a team talks itself into, he could very well go high.
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You may be right. We'll have to wait and see how high the "buzz" factor gets on Cam. I don't think he is the bust-waiting-to-happen I thought Russell was. However there are enough questions about him that I just have a hard time seeing him as a top 5 pick.
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I don't think he deserves to be either. I'm just hoping he goes there as that means another prospect drops to us 
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I think with the QB situations in Carolina, Cincinnati, and Arizona, ONE of them is going to have to overdraft a QB.
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Right. And don't count of Buffalo. Fitzpatrick is a nice player, but he is not a franchise QB.
I think that Buffalo and Arizona will both take QB's (Newton, then Gabbert).
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I think with the QB situations in Carolina, Cincinnati, and Arizona, ONE of them is going to have to overdraft a QB.
Exactly! And as cfrs15 said, don't count out Buffalo. I'd also add Tenn to that list - even though they draft after us, I could see them jumping up to grab their guy if one of the teams mentioned is targeting the same guy...
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I have seen a lot of different drafts with the Browns taking Dareus, even some with us taking Bowers or Fairley, though I'm not sure about Fairley due to attitude problems. I think that time in the pros may provide an attitude adjustment for him, but that may provide the reason for Fairley losing the top spot in the draft to Bowers or Dareus. My picks for the first three rounds are...
Round 1 Da' Quan Bowers, DE Clemson
Round 2 Titus Young, WR Boise State
Round 3 Jurrell Casey, DT USC
I know.. Titus is small.. played in the WAC.. but has speed and good hands. The Draft is very heavy on Defensive Linemen, and it is hard to tell who will be there by round 3, but Casey may be a good pick up if he is there at that point in time.
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1. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - I believe he will rip the combine to shreds and become a pass rushing nightmare.
2. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - Only available at this point due to questions about his injury. Has great strength, plays with great leverage, and can be an explosive playmaker on the interior. Will need some work on his pass rush moves, but will immediately contribute on the interior
3. Sam Acho, DE, Texas - Acho has been productive and shows great potential.
4. Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College - Off the charts kid off the field brings versatility, dedication, and major upside at the SAM spot.
5. Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii -
Consistently creates separation and can contribute either outside or in the slot. Will go across the middle and can make plays after the catch.
6. Cecil Shorts III, WR, Mount Union - Developmental WR with upside.
6. Ollie Ogbu, DT, Penn State - Small and not very athletic but makes up for it with heart and hustle.
In free agency we need:
1. WR - Hopefully Sidney Rice
2. RT - Hopefully Tyson Claybo
3. Secondary depth
4. Linebacker depth
5. Kicker
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wow.. 2 WR's.. dont think that is happening..
1 WR, and then MAYBE a RT.. the rest is defense.
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A total guess (and since I'm doing it means it will definitely not come true), but I'm going to go on record and say I think we are going to go majority offense in this draft.
Maybe our 1st pick will be a defense guy, but that will be more because of the "quality" of people who are around at our pick. If we trade down, I think we'll look more at offense than if we stay where we are.
But, I think most of our draft picks, possibly even both of our 2nd and 3rd rounders, will be offense picks.
I think this coaching staff is going to start putting a lot of stock into the "just because it's the AFC North doesn't mean we have to win every game 10-7" camp, and also put a lot of stock into Jauron/Rhodes making do with a patchwork defense.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Rumor is Vikings are going to transition tag Rice. Since they franchised Greenway, and transitioned tage Rice, perhaps Ray Edwards will be on the market, I'd be fine with him as FA to give our new def some pass rush.
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Just saw this: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/21/vikings-cant-use-transition-tag-on-sidney-rice/Vikings can’t use transition tag on Sidney Rice Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2011, 10:23 PM EST With the Vikings using the franchise tag on linebacker Chad Greenway, speculation has centered on the team applying a transition tag to receiver Sidney Rice. The only problem? The Vikings can’t use it on Rice. A league source recently explained to us that the extra transition tag under the rules of the uncapped year may be applied only to a player with six years of service. Rice has only four. There’s still no guarantee an extra transition tag will be available under the next CBA, or under any rules that are unilaterally applied by the league due to decertification or a declaration or impasse. In a capped year, teams may use only one franchise tag or one transition tag, but not both. The transition tag has limited value, in any event. It provides only an opportunity to match an offer sheet that the player signs with a new team, but no compensation if the offer isn’t matched. UPDATE: Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune makes a great point on Twitter. Rice may be a restricted free agent, given that he has only four years of service. Indeed, don’t be shocked if the Vikings apply a restricted free agency tender to any potential free agents with fewer than six years of service.
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What if the first 3 rounds went like this:
1) Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU
2) Drake Nevis - DT - LSU
3) Joseph Barksdale - OT - LSU
has anyone ever drafted like that before? I think all three of them are good players, but man... the thought of picking up THREE guys who all went to the same school.. hmmm...
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