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Maybe people would have felt better had the team named me OC?? 
LOL Maybe., based on some comments, any OC is better than no OC
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well, gee...thanks. I guess I just don't see it as the problem some do. Look at it this way.....if everything sucks, it isn't going to be hard to pinpoint the problem.  Just for fun I looked at the Rams last year. There may have been a few passes by a receiver or back i didn't catch, or some rushing attempts on a reverse, but the rams had 1019 offensive plays. 590 were passing and 429 were rushing. 58% passing.....42% rushing. The thing that struck me is the rams have Steven Jackson....a back similar in style to Hillis, so Hillis is going to get his rushing attempts. Another thing that struck me.....in so far as a NCO, i am thinking McCoy might be better suited to that type of O then is Bradford. We might actually move the ball next season.
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you are really pushing for that OC job...  At this point my thoughts are... Let the guy try.... I have not been impressed with any of the last OC`s... Untill the season starts it`s hard to say what results we will see on the field.. It`s a change and different approach to what we are used to... Maybe it will work out for the best....
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knight.. says "were screwed"...
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we may be worse off then many realize...maybe even more then i thought i realized and if thats the case..thats bad..i don't even want to think about it
REALLY?...someone believes the sky is falling..anyone who dares have a positive outlook better reconsider...those leading the "negative" thinkers (oxymoron) believe the Browns are headed straight to hell...."really"
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of course mac and others will just come out and call me a holmgren hater, a Mangini lover, whatever
knight...yep, I have you pegged. It is so obvious, going back and reviewing your sudden change in attitude that changed on Jan 3, 2011.
knight...it's not only you though..there are others on record...those who chose to be anti-Browns, anti-Holmgren, anti-Shurmur and/or anti-anything to do with the changes being made.
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I really want to win, I really do...at this point i don't care who is running things Holmgren, Mickey Mouse, donald Trump, i don't care...but sheesh...this is not looking good at all.
knight...you started out ok..yep, we all want to win.."BUT"...there is always a "but" for those promoting a negative agenda..."but sheesh...this is not looking good at all".
Why don't you try being honest...you want to win "but" you do not support Holmgren, Shurmur or anything they have done or are attempting to do to build the Browns into winners...sure you want the Browns to win, yea.
A classic example of someone with a negative attitude and agenda attempting to portray themselves in a positive light...BUT..
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knight...yet another negative comment...but you did put yourself on record...Holmgren/Shurmur better equal Mangini's record...OR ELSE.
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knight...and with a straight face, you proclaim your negative agenda against Holmgren and Shurmur has nothing to do with Holmgren firing Mangini...YEA, sure..
Just stop pretending...you are damn pissed that Holmgren fired Mangini and you are gonna beat on your computer until you bring Holmgren down.
You are hell bent on promoting your negative agenda and trying to maintain following of negative thinkers to help support your agenda against Holmgren, Shurmur and the Browns.
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knight...the rest of your post is not worth quoting..
..it is nothing but one negative comment after another..
..you are crazy with hate and negativism..
I sure wish Mangini would get picked up by a college team or another NFL team so you can follow him.
...same goes for the rest of this group...those promoting the negative agenda...if you don't want to support the Browns...find another team.
...find another team...why continue to play this game?.., pretending you support Holmgren and the Browns, yet posting negative after negative comment about Holmgren and what he is attempting to build here in Cleveland.
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I can see how someone can think the rest, but anti-Browns? Typical BS. If someone dares disagree they are against the Browns..
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That's how I see it too, it is win/lose clearly for Shurmur. He takes all the credit if the offense can show some spark and he takes all the blame due to a lack of a "Daboll" to deflect his negative press. Interesting comparisons between Stephen Jackson and Peyton Hillis. I think you're more-or-less spot on there and I look back to last year where Hillis was a major component of our pass attack. I expect that will continue with Shurmur calling the plays. Now I'm not about to jump out and say McCoy might be better suited for the scheme than the #1 overall draft pick of last year but I am definitely excited to see Colt in this kind of offensive system. Before we can get too far ahead of ourselves though, Heckert better bring in some receivers for Colt to throw to or it might be another long season for the Cleveland Browns offense. Quote:
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Just for fun I looked at the Rams last year.
There may have been a few passes by a receiver or back i didn't catch, or some rushing attempts on a reverse, but the rams had 1019 offensive plays. 590 were passing and 429 were rushing.
58% passing.....42% rushing.
The thing that struck me is the rams have Steven Jackson....a back similar in style to Hillis, so Hillis is going to get his rushing attempts.
Another thing that struck me.....in so far as a NCO, i am thinking McCoy might be better suited to that type of O then is Bradford.
We might actually move the ball next season.
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nolo...will the new OC take over the play calling duties from HC Haley?
The Chiefs are not saying it, but it might be that another team was looking to hire their Oline coach and to protect him, the Chiefs gave him a promotion and slid him into the OC position.
I honestly believe the Browns wanted to fill the OC position, but it had to be someone who complemented the offensive system Shurmur is implementing.
The two individuals the Browns did pursue, found jobs where they could call the plays, obviously hoping to add to their resume hoping to eventually land a HC job.
Implementing the new system demands that the coaching staff be on the same page and it does little good to throw someone into the OC slot, if that individual does not complement the offensive system.
For Shurmur and Holmgren, it's more important that the OC be the right man with the right resume for the job, rather than just a body to fill the position.
If Holmgren was unable to hire the right guy, best to leave the OC position open knowing there is enough help available already on staff to give Shurmur the necessary support he will need to implement the new offensive system.
That does not mean the Browns will not hire an OC in the future..yet this year or after the upcoming season..but the first priority seems to be "qualifications".
I wonder what the rest of the board thinks...?
...should the Browns fill the OC position because other teams have an OC?
...should the Browns fill the OC position just have a "body" in the slot?
...should the Browns wait to fill the OC position until they find the right person, with the right qualifications to complement the offensive system Shurmur is installing?
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well, gee...thanks.
I guess I just don't see it as the problem some do.
Look at it this way.....if everything sucks, it isn't going to be hard to pinpoint the problem.
Just for fun I looked at the Rams last year.
There may have been a few passes by a receiver or back i didn't catch, or some rushing attempts on a reverse, but the rams had 1019 offensive plays. 590 were passing and 429 were rushing.
58% passing.....42% rushing.
The thing that struck me is the rams have Steven Jackson....a back similar in style to Hillis, so Hillis is going to get his rushing attempts.
Another thing that struck me.....in so far as a NCO, i am thinking McCoy might be better suited to that type of O then is Bradford.
We might actually move the ball next season.
I think it's pretty clear that I'm a glass half full kinda guy so it's not really a stretch to think I'd look at things with a more Positive spin.
so, take this with that in mind. I'm 100% thinking you are right about Colt and Hillis and this offense. We are missing some receivers but maybe we'll get a few this off season.
Jackson had 330 of those runs for over 1200 yards. Hillis had 270 attempts for just a hair under 1200 yards. like you say, very comparible.
For only the second time in his career, Jackson started and played in all 16 games. Hillis did it in 14 games.
the numbers say that Hillis is the better guy.. Put him in this NCO/WCO (whatever you wanna call it) and this could be very interesting.
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knight...it's not only you though..there are others on record...those who chose to be anti-Browns
I can see how someone can think the rest, but anti-Browns? Typical BS. If someone dares disagree they are against the Browns..
pd...so if you are anti-Holmgren..or/and...anti-Shurmur...YOU ARE PRO-BROWNS?
As I said before, go back and see when these negative opinions materialized and it might give you a clue about why some choose to be anti-Holmgren/Shurmur/Browns.
The way I see it...you are all in...OR...you are all out..
There is no in between or fence sitting with "buts" and "ifs"...for example, I'm all in if the Browns win 5 games next season.
I've been a Browns fan since Dad and I watched Jim Brown running the ball and Paul Brown was in his last years as the Browns HC.
....I have never been "half in" as Browns fan and I must admit, since the Browns returned in 99, I have problems with those fans who are "half in".
...those fans who want criticize and pretend they support the Browns while they tear the franchise down at every opportunity.
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The way I see it...you are all in...OR...you are all out..
There is no in between or fence sitting with "buts" and "ifs"...for example, I'm all in if the Browns win 5 games next season.
Who died and gave you the right to determine how people should think? It's not all that black and white.
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I expect to see results next season.
I am not going to put a number on it because I know improvement when I see it.
I saw it last year, but that wasn't enough for Mangini, but that was mostly a marriage that wasn't going to work.
I expect things will change. I don't care what sort of system we run, if we have a offensive coordinator or not, or if we run a 3-4 or 4-3.
I just expect to see improvements over last season....and that isn't just wins. The schedules don't even compare.
This is about where I am with things.
There is no honeymoon. There is no "they get a year to get their guys in place before we judge".
Produce now or get out.
Browns is the Browns
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Agree Rocket. I couple years ago I was all in for the Browns but not a big Braylon fan or Anderson fan. I was happy when they did well but lost no sleep when they left town. I am all in all the time as a Browns fan but that doesn't mean that there cannot be things about them that I don't like. I love my wife with all my heart. I would die for her. I hate that she snores like a trucker 
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screw the 5 year plan.
I expect to see results next season.
I am not going to put a number on it because I know improvement when I see it.
I saw it last year, but that wasn't enough for Mangini, but that was mostly a marriage that wasn't going to work.
I expect things will change. I don't care what sort of system we run, if we have a offensive coordinator or not, or if we run a 3-4 or 4-3.
I just expect to see improvements over last season....and that isn't just wins. The schedules don't even compare.
This is about where I am with things.
There is no honeymoon. There is no "they get a year to get their guys in place before we judge".
Produce now or get out.
Oh man,, your posts are gonna be fun to read next season
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Peen, I think you are probably right about Colt being better suited for Shurmur's offense than Brandford. Colt's short to mid game is better than Bradford's but Bradford's Mid to deep game is vastly superior to Colts.
Frankly Colt wow's me with some of his short game throws although there is the following DA factor lol. Even with the DA factor I go back and watch that pats game and those throws convince me that Colt can do it and at a high level.
The Rams really never tried to stretch the field very often. I do understand part of this was due to their top 4 receivers being injured most of the time and even when healthy are still below average.
I expect improvement in both QB's as each will now be in a system that fits their perspective skill sets. Bradford is tailor made for Josh's offense and I think Colt is tailor made for Shurmur's.
Having Hillis, Hardesty, Moore and Watson as receiving options with GREAT hands is a tremendous luxury for Colt. Receivers we will have to wait and see but I think we may be surprised with the results on O.
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I find it extremely hilarious that some believe that Holmgren is as petty as they make himout to be. Hiring becuase of the agent, or hiring a "fall guy". This crap is just so over the top it is laughable.
Thinking that just because we didn't hire an OC, when we basically have 3 or more on staff at the present time, we will fail miserably is also a little rediculous. No one here knows what structure will be in place. They complain that the new HC will be stretched thin, yet they have no idea how he will delegate responsibility.
These sky is falling posters are amusing at best, I really haven't read so much foolish crap since the Couch/Holcomb debates. This team finally has a decent base to build on, and true football men doing the building. The experience in the FO has not been this good since the return.
For the whiners out there, I want you to put yourself in Holmgren place. Do you actually believe he isn't thinking this thing thru? His only questionable moves in his career were trying to coach and GM at the same time. He is not the GM here, and he is not coaching. I really feel you guys are purposely overlooking the input Haskill will have on the offense this year.
We have for the first time since I can remember, a FO and a coaching staff that are all from the same school of thought. I love how when Haskill is brought up the lame excuse of him making Shurmur look weak in front of the players is used, talk about reaching for anything.
We will have an offense run by two up and coming coaches being mentored by a very successful team in the FO. The OC designation is meaningless in the situation we now have.
But go on and continue to whine and discredit proven entities, just so your agenda is continued. Then say everybody who disagrees with you is calling you a hater. But at the same time continue to discredit any credible arguement against your agenda by spewing the same garbage over and over.
This whole set up might just work out being the best set up at the present time. Then again it might not. But please quit acting like your opinions, and the agenda behind them, are the only ones that could possibly be right. Try actually considering someone else's perspective, before trying to shout them down. What is happening now makes you look as someone trying to create some form of "status" on a message board. To me it only makes you look foolish.
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a question was asked, I answered it. as far as your question, KC has not yet indicated who will be calling plays.
Last year, Weis called plays. In 2009, Haley called plays. In 2011, it could be Haley or it could be Bill Muir. Bill Muir was the OC for John Gruden and has called plays in the past.
as for your the rest of your insinuation and trying to make the football forum as toxic as your political rants, please get a life.
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'Peen, if it makes you feel better, I would NOT be happy if they named you OC.
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I want you to put yourself in Holmgren place. Do you actually believe he isn't thinking this thing thru? His only questionable moves in his career were trying to coach and GM at the same time
That's his only questionable decision?? 
How about:
- Signing Delhomne at $7 Million
- Drafting a RB with bad knees that spends the entire year on IR due to knees
- Deciding to keep Mangini
- Deciding to fire Mangini
- Deciding to let Daboll stay after he kept Mangini
- Trading Harrison for Bell
and that's just in the last year, let alone EVER. Take a look at some of his gaffs in Seattle like making Koren Robinson a top ten pick, trading a #1 for Deion Branch, or letting Hutch leave via FA.
Anyone who thinks he's only made "one questionable move" over the past 20 years is clearly drinking too much Kool Aide.
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trading a #1 for Deion Branch, or letting Hutch leave via FA.
Holmgren was no longer GM (he was fired as GM after the 2002 season) when Branch was traded for or when Hutchinson left.
Also, Hutchinson signed the famous "poison pill" contract with the Vikings making it pretty much impossible for the Seahawks to match the contract offer (he was a restricted free agent.
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Robinson was a top talent in the draft but had major off the field issues.
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Drafting a RB with bad knees that spends the entire year on IR due to knees
This seems like it is a mistake. But we still don't really know. And can we really pin this on Holmgren? As he was probably not running the draft.
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Trading Harrison for Bell
Harrison was done playing for us. He had no interest in being a part of the Browns anymore because he was in Mangini's doghouse.
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the numbers say that Hillis is the better guy.. Put him in this NCO/WCO (whatever you wanna call it) and this could be very interesting.
The thing is numbers don't mean squat. I love Hillis but he is not close to the runner Jackson is. I do not know who is the better receiver. regardless I think Hillis will be very good in any offense we run.
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If you want to call people out, call them out. No need for generalizations. Everyone on here who post have names. I have no idea if you are talking about me or not.
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pd...so if you are anti-Holmgren..or/and...anti-Shurmur...YOU ARE PRO-BROWNS?
Yes you can be. I'm not anti any of these things but I can see how someone can be. A lot of people on here have been against coaches in the past. Does that mean they were anti-Browns? Savage took a beating on here in the weeks and months before he was caned. Were those people anti-Browns?
100% blind faith doesn't mean you are a good fan. It means you can't or won't think for yourself.
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I want you to put yourself in Holmgren place. Do you actually believe he isn't thinking this thing thru? His only questionable moves in his career were trying to coach and GM at the same time
That's his only questionable decision??
How about:
- Signing Delhomne at $7 Million
- Drafting a RB with bad knees that spends the entire year on IR due to knees
- Deciding to keep Mangini
- Deciding to fire Mangini
- Deciding to let Daboll stay after he kept Mangini
- Trading Harrison for Bell
and that's just in the last year, let alone EVER. Take a look at some of his gaffs in Seattle like making Koren Robinson a top ten pick, trading a #1 for Deion Branch, or letting Hutch leave via FA.
Anyone who thinks he's only made "one questionable move" over the past 20 years is clearly drinking too much Kool Aide.
6 decisions you don't like. out of what,, maybe 500 decisions that needed to be made? yikes, fire the man, he's an idiot,, he made 500 decisions and 6 weren't good..
As someone pointed out, Hutchinson and Branch weren't his decisions. Robinson was a draft pick.. good player, bad guy. it happens.
Let's look at the 6 Browns decisions you bring up.
- Signing Delhomne at $7 Million
In hindsight, yeah, wasn't a good decision. And I do think this was a holmgren move. But if you can, try and look at why a decision like that was made. The idea was, Get Delhomme here, let him run the team for a year, find a QB in the draft to groom. then have Wallace here as your stablizer.
Good sound thinking,, just didn't pan out. Is it that you think everything always will pan out?
- Drafting a RB with bad knees that spends the entire year on IR due to knees
it was KNEE not knees.. huge difference.
I'm not sure that was Holmgren,, for sure it was Heckert. But Hardesty may still pan out, let's revisit this in a year or so.
- Deciding to keep Mangini
well, that's your opinion, I'm not convinced it was a bad idea.
- Deciding to fire Mangini
I'm gonna agree with you on this one.
- Deciding to let Daboll stay after he kept Mangini
If you keep the HC, you kinda gotta keep his OC.
- Trading Harrison for Bell
Harrison wasn't gonna ever be anything for the browns.. In fairness, Bell won't either. JMO
Bringing up the Hutchinson and Branch stuff when it wasn't even his deal tells me you were stretching to find things wrong with Holmgrens decision making. What's that tell you?
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Yes you can be. I'm not anti any of these things but I can see how someone can be. A lot of people on here have been against coaches in the past. Does that mean they were anti-Browns? Savage took a beating on here in the weeks and months before he was caned. Were those people anti-Browns?
100% blind faith doesn't mean you are a good fan. It means you can't or won't think for yourself.
I think it's amazing that people can be (or in the past, could have been) anti-Mangini, yet still pro-Browns. People can be "anti-Delhomme", yet pro-Browns. People can hate our WRs, yet be pro-Browns, but if you question the front office or coaching staff decisions in this off-season ... well, then you just can't be a Browns fan, because mac says so.
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Have you sent Rand Learner your resume? You sure seem to think you know more about building an nfl team than MH.
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pd...not picking on you...just pointing out that you and I are a lot different when it comes to the Browns.
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Rand Learner
Umm .... yeah .........
Sorry ... but misspelling both his first and last name is rather priceless.
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Read the dang post before you rant.
The poster I was replying to claimed MH made one "questionable" decision in 20+ years. You really think that the ones I listed are the only questionable decisions? Some of them I agreed with, some I thought were blunders, but it's inherent in the job that he makes "questionable decisions" all the time.
Take Hardesty. Drafting a RB with knee issues is "questionable" in the first place. Watching him sit on IR makes it even more questionable. Even the optimists that think Hardesty will eventually be productive have to acknowledge using that second round pick on a guy that never sees the field provides legitimate reason to wonder if he can stay healthy.
MH has made thousands of questionable decisions over the past two decades. Blind faith and idol worship aren't my cup of tea.
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Read the dang post before you rant.
The poster I was replying to claimed MH made one "questionable" decision in 20+ years. You really think that the ones I listed are the only questionable decisions? Some of them I agreed with, some I thought were blunders, but it's inherent in the job that he makes "questionable decisions" all the time.
Take Hardesty. Drafting a RB with knee issues is "questionable" in the first place. Watching him sit on IR makes it even more questionable. Even the optimists that think Hardesty will eventually be productive have to acknowledge using that second round pick on a guy that never sees the field provides legitimate reason to wonder if he can stay healthy.
MH has made thousands of questionable decisions over the past two decades. Blind faith and idol worship aren't my cup of tea.
I read the DANG post and didn't agree with your assessement.., did you read mine?
Apparently not because you still think he drafted hardesty...
Thousands of questionable decisions? He'd be out of football if that were true. He'd never have gone to 3 superbowls as a HC if that were true. He wouldn't be so widely accepted as a strong and top football guy if that were true..
Nothing to do with Blind faith,, Not a damn thing.
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If you want to call people out, call them out. No need for generalizations. Everyone on here who post have names. I have no idea if you are talking about me or not.
I don't feel I need to name names. If you feel I'm talking about you, then the discription I used must fit you. There are many on here that have been pouncing on everything Holmgren has done since Mangini was fired. They are not just debating the moves, they are acting as if the moves were made with some sort of conspiracy in mind. They are also acting as if they know better than a future hall of fame coach that has very much success hiring coaches. If you feel this way, then yes, I'm calling you out. If not, those who do feel this way will know I mean them.
I read just about every post, rarely do I look who is posting unless I have a reply. Most of the time anymore, I can tell who's posting without looking, just by the redundant repetition of their rants. I try looking at things from there perspective, and I feel they should do the same with others. The thing is, they want none of that. It is "I'm right, and that's that" , whether they have a valid point or not. Trying to convince others you are right about something that's going to happen in the future, when you have no real idea, is clearly an agenda.
Look, I don't know if anything being done is going to work, but I have to look at the history of the guys making the decisions. Their credibility is way above some guy who posts on a message board and believes he knows all the answers.
If anything I have said offends you, well, that was not my intent. But I'm sure you will get over it.
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If anything I have said offends you, well, that was not my intent. But I'm sure you will get over it.
No, you didn't. This is the only thread where I have said anything negative. I think Shurmur is an idiot for trying to take on to much. I never mentioned MH as doing anything wrong, I also never said that Shurmur is going to be a bad coach.
Squires responded to me by saying I should send Randy a resume since I think I know better than MH.
I'm sure there are people who say things as stupid as Squires did to those who support everything MH does. I usually only skim posts and read those from people I believe are worth reading. That being said I probably miss a lot of the crap on here.
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Classic blunder?
This team has had a series of blunders at HC.
I think we can trust in the FO right now. Seems they hit on the day one draft picks pretty well and we'll have to see what happens with this next draft. We know we can look forward to the implementation of the WCO and a 4-3 defense.
It's not like not having an OC on a team has never happened in the NFL before.
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I want to be wrong, I want to be ham sandwich wrong.
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Apparent to whom and for what? Fear of the unknown? Fear for the sake of fear? Gimme a break. it's not rocket science.
Not fear, but this whole thing looking like it was cobbled together over a table in back corner of a bar after 12 too many shots of hard Whiskey?
Look Daman...we got who we got, and im willing to let this thing ride out at this point.....hopefully it work....im just saing it does not look good right now. We will just have to wait and see.
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I think we can trust in the FO right now. Seems they hit on the day one draft picks pretty well and we'll have to see what happens with this next draft. We know we can look forward to the implementation of the WCO and a 4-3 defense.
Perhaps, but its way too early to judge the draft..Haden and Ward could both be busts...Courtney Brown and Gerrad Warren tore it up their rookie years....look what happened to them. How about Kamerion Wimbley...posts double digit sacks his rookie year...how did that go? Anthony Henry posted 9 or 10 INTS his rookie year...how did he pan out the rest of the way?
its takes at least 3 years to judge a draft...i am just saying don't annoint this draft as a success too soon...its way too early.
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just because im critical, im suddenly anti-Browns....yeah ok, whatever...
look mac..im tired of starting over...we have Shurmur now, it is what it is and I HOPE for the love of all that is sacred that we actually KEEP freakin Shurmur and whoever else we have here as coach for more then 2 freakin years!
im sick of starting over, so please quit labeling me anti-browns...I have spent a good bit of money on this team year after year after year, I actually do contribute to this team financially buying tickets, browns jerseies, coats, hats, sportswear, etc...EVER YEAR i show my support not only as a fan, but with my hard earned money I work for.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it! Think about that next time you clal me anti-Browns.
Yes if Shurmur has a bad year 90% of the fans and the medai will be calling for heads....it never changes here.
Even though right now im not wild about this idea...I am willing to keep my trap shut and NOT call for anyone to be fired, and actually let this thing ride out for another 4 or 5 years.....I WILL NOT be clamoring for anyone to be fired...im tired of starting over...
your telling me your confident that the average Browns fans are going to be happy with a 4-12 or 5-11 record or worse in Shurmur's first year? for petes sake look how the media treated Mangini.....your crazy if you think the media is going to give shurmur a pass....
Like i said..I WANT these guys and Lerner to actually let a guy work through the duration of his contract...that includes holmgren, Shurmur, and whoever else...yes I have questions, but in reality its too late for that and we need to ride this ship and see where it goes....
I just question if this city has patience for another rebuilding plan....this thing could get ugly...thats just an educated observation based on past evidence...nothing more.
please don't question my loyalty to this team, i just want us to actually stick with something for a change and to stop hitting the reset button all the time...nothing more..
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Don't waste your breath.
The same thing mac rails against concerning the Browns, he does with the Indians.
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Haden and Ward could both be busts...Courtney Brown and Gerrad Warren tore it up their rookie years...
I guess we have a different definition of bust.
From my eyes neither one of those guys was a bust.
One sustained a serious knee injury from which he never recovered and the other has been a starting defensive tackle in the league for 12 or so years.
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