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I honestly never saw Wallace as "in the doghouse".

Mangini is the kind of coach who tries to maintan his depth chart. Delhomme was the starter. Wallace was the backup. McCoy was the hot young draft pick.

McCoy had to play because of injury, so that blew up the original plan for the year. However, Delhomme never lost his starting job prior to the decision to play McCoy. So, why would the coach, any coach, pull his starter to play his backup until the rookie was ready to play again? That makes no sense.

I think that people believe that the deck should have reshuffled after Wallace played well in relief of Delhomme ..... but we still only won 1 game during that time, and the WRs were completely ignored while Wallace was in the game. The team not only had to try to win, which they did while Delhomme came back to start near the end of the year ....... (winning 2 of his 3 starts after he came back from injury after McCoy's injury) but they also had to work on evaluating the WR position for the next season. Wallace never threw the ball to the WRs. Delhomme did. He didn't do a great job of it, but he put the ball up there for the WRs to try and make a play, and at the end of the year, they were making plays. (especially Robiske)

Anyway .... I don;t think it was a "doghouse" issue .... I think it was twofold, maintaining the depth chart with the understanding that McCoy would be coming back as the starter when he did come back, and trying to evaluate the WR position as best they could with the QB who would throw to the WRs.


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Seneca is an UFA.




I know, read the next paragraph in my post and you'll see that I said, "He may not want to re-sign here"

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However, Delhomme never lost his starting job prior to the decision to play McCoy. So, why would the coach, any coach, pull his starter to play his backup until the rookie was ready to play again? That makes no sense.

I think that people believe that the deck should have reshuffled after Wallace played well in relief of Delhomme ..... but we still only won 1 game during that time, and the WRs were completely ignored while Wallace was in the game. The team not only had to try to win, which they did while Delhomme came back to start near the end of the year ....... (winning 2 of his 3 starts after he came back from injury after McCoy's injury) but they also had to work on evaluating the WR position for the next season. Wallace never threw the ball to the WRs. Delhomme did. He didn't do a great job of it, but he put the ball up there for the WRs to try and make a play, and at the end of the year, they were making plays. (especially Robiske)




I guess we see things differently. I saw Delhomme as losing his job by acting like an idiot in the Buccaneers game and the Falcons game. It was absolutely apparent to me that the guy sucked.

Seneca Wallace was better than Delhomme when he played. The Browns won two games, but he also almost lost those games when he played. Our defense created turnovers and really helped us in those games.

Just because the team wins, doesn't mean you stop evaluating the play of the QB. Evaluate Jake in those games, he was awful. Now if you can watch them and say that he played as well as Seneca when we played the Panthers, you obviously didn't watch the 2nd half.

Add that to his play against the Bucs and Falcons (those few plays he did get to do), and you've got a guy who shouldn't have started against the Dolphins. He also tried to blow that one too.

The games Seneca lost were against decent teams before the defense came together. Eric Wright was getting killed.

Jake threw interceptions against the Bucs and the Falcons that were just awful. That's the work he presented me with, and I never wanted him to play again after that stupid throw it at the DE move against the Falcons (and where were you in that game Joe Thomas! That guy came from the left and it wasn't John Abraham that time) The one against the Bucs was ridiculous, side-arm throw to Ben Watson while getting tackled? Give Me A Break Jake!

He was already suspect by awful play on the Panthers last year. He was given way too much leeway by Mangini. Never should have played after the Falcons game, period. He had shown enough. You're the head coach, say that he can't play anymore. If Seneca behind the scenes is an issue, throw him on IR or have him cut and pick someone else up. Otherwise, he is the better player, he should be in the game!

I don't care that he beat the Panthers and Dolphins, he sucked in those games too. "Gimme A Break" Jake "The Flank Steak", "Defense's Piece of Cake" Jake "The Parking Brake" Delhomme. I never want to see this man start for the Browns again. (There's so many, "Heartbreak" Jake, "Send your team to a wake" Jake) The guy sucked and it was obvious from his first two appearances! His judgment skills are awful!

It's like watching Tommy Maddox in his final year in the NFL, attempting to play pass with the opponents or something.........

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Seneca isnt a bad QB at all.. I have never really seen him self destruct and emplode his worst on the offense as Delhomme will/has.


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That's the point, Sure Seneca never imploded (minus the pitch to noone versus Bmore) but at no point did I ever think he'd "Lead" us anywhere...


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When Seneca was in, I Expected Nothing to happen...
When Jake was in, I Expected the Worst to happen...




this does sum up the general feelings on the matter quite well.


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That's the point, Sure Seneca never imploded (minus the pitch to noone versus Bmore) but at no point did I ever think he'd "Lead" us anywhere...




That's fine. I'd rather stand still then ride with someone off a bridge..........AKA Jake "The Mistake" Delhomme.

I like Colt more than Seneca, but when it comes to Seneca vs Jake, I'll take the lesser of two evils. As a backup QB, Seneca is fine. He makes no mistakes. He's not going to be a star, but at least he's not throwing INTs and passes to the other team, non-stop. He plays an intelligent passing game, and if his WR's were better (and getting open), they probably would have gotten more passes.


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I like Colt more than Seneca, but when it comes to Seneca vs Jake, I'll take the lesser of two evils. As a backup QB, Seneca is fine. He makes no mistakes. He's not going to be a star, but at least he's not throwing INTs and passes to the other team, non-stop. He plays an intelligent passing game, and if his WR's were better (and getting open), they probably would have gotten more passes.




I am in full agreement, I just wonder if Seneca would be willing to do the job. He seems like one that still wants a shot to be a starter.


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To replace Jake with Stanzi then? I think Wallace is an automatic keeper.




not so automatic. he wasn't helping Colt, seemed upset that he wasn't starting, and went to the media about a bunch of topics (FOs never like that). there's a decent chance that Seneca is seen as a problem child and sent packing despite being a better player than Jake at this point (assuming Jake is willing to restructure)




Wallace and Holmgren have been together a long time. He has no real opportunity to go anywhere else and seems to be a decent human being. I think he will get over the hard feelings from last year and realize that being Holmgrens #2 isnt all that bad of a place to be.


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Mayock: Patrick Peterson could be an All-Pro safety

Posted by Evan Silva on February 17, 2011, 2:52 PM EST
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Among the most alarming terms that can be associated with a cornerback is “stiff,” referring to the inability of the defensive back to fluidly flip his hips, run and cover a wideout.

On Thursday’s NFL Network conference call with the media, draft analyst Mike Mayock used the same word when discussing LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson.

“He’s got a little bit of stiffness to him,” said Mayock, adding that Peterson is “most comfortable in press-man (coverage),” but explaining that the 2010 Thorpe Award winner “might be best served as a safety.

“He might be an All-Pro safety.”

Peterson is listed at 6-foot-1 and 222 pounds, and Mayock isn’t the first media member to suggest a position switch for the over-sized corner. Mayock even compared Peterson to Antrel Rolle, an early-career cornerback for the Cardinals who busted at the more valuable position before resurrecting his career at safety.

A more recent example of an All-American college corner who made this transition in the NFL was Malcolm Jenkins of Ohio State.

Jenkins was widely considered a surefire top 8-10 pick entering the 2009 NFL Combine. He fell to the Saints at No. 14 after running a forty time in the mid-4.5s, and is now the starting free safety in New Orleans.


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Jenkins is a Pro Bowl caliber safety as well. I still think that a shutdown CB who can play on an island is more valuable than a safety. However, with today's passing rules a safety is MUCH more valuable than they used to be...........I wouldn't have been upset with Jenkins (even though most figured he would play FS), and I won't be upset if we draft Peterson for that purpose either.


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Nicely broken down by "Coop"

Per Aaron Wilson via Twitter:

Mike Mayock says it's the best defensive end class he's seen.

Mike Mayock says Delaware QB Pat Devlin is rated as a middle round prospect at this time.

Mayock on A.J. Green: "He's a pretty special wide receiver.'

Mayock on Patrick Peterson: 'He's most comfortable in press man He's got a little stiffness. Ultimately might be best served at safety.'

Mayock: 'I've got a deeper first round. I've got eight or nine defensive ends with first round grades.'

Mayock praising Temple DL Muhammad Wilkerson, says he could get pushed into second round due to quality of DL class.

Mayock says plenty of DEs and OTs if you're drafting later in the first round. Not same quality at corner, though.

Mayock on Cam Newton: 'He's a big strong guy.' Says his mechanics are superior to Tim Tebow. Questions how he'll do with complicated offense

Mayock on Cam Newton: 'There's some baggage to the kid.' Said same question applies to Ryan Mallett

Lot of praise from Mike Mayock for Cal DE Cameron Jordan as a 3-4 end prospect. Also likes UCLA LB Akeem Ayers.

Mayock says free agency issue should prompt teams to "draft best football players that fit their scheme" instead of drafting for need. Smart

Mayock compared Mizzou DE Aldon Smith to Jason Pierre-Paul and Simeon Rice. Ranks him seventh at DE, first-round grade

Mayock: "Ryan Mallett has unbelievable God-given ability.' Said he has first-round ability, says he won't necessarily go that high.

Mayock said everytime he gets excited about Mallett then he'll do something that bothers him with inconsistency.

Mayock on Mallett: 'I would be very concerned about taking him in the first round. It's not about him throwing in shorts.'

Mayock very high on Von Miller for his explosiveness, speed as an edge pass rusher.

Mayock says debate for Browns could come down to A.J. Green versus DL like Marcell Dareus, Bowers, Robert Quinn, Nick Fairley

Mayock: 'I like Gabbert a lot. He can make all the throws.'

Mayock says Maryland WR Torrey Smith is "really special" for his vertical routes. Will run 4.35 or 4.38. Likes him for Ravens at No. 26

Mayock said he doesn't think corners with appropriate value and grades will be there for Baltimore at No. 26.

If not a wide receiver like Torrey Smith, he says alternatives could be pass rushers like Aldon Smith, Cameron Jordan, Muhammad Wilkerson

Mayock is high on the interior offensive linemen this year. Says it has a lot of depth beyond first round.

Mayock says CB Brandon Harris from Miami is more of a second-round, third-round corner. He does like CB Aaron Williams at end of 1st round.

Mayock says Illinois DT Cory Liuget is fast-rising, could go in first 25 picks.

Mike Mayock predicted 10-18 range for Alabama wideout Julio Jones. He thinks the Rams won't let him escape their grasp.

Mayock on Rams/Julio Jones at No. 14: 'If Julio is there, I think they probably sprint up to the podium with the card.' Sounds like a plan.

One question Mike Mayock has about Mizzou QB Blaine Gabbert is his progression to NFL offense after playing in spread offense.

Mike Mayock high on Villanova OT Ben Ijalana, grades him highly for toughness, versatility.

Mike Mayock on Colin Kaepernick: 'He's got a huge arm. He's a great athlete, big frame. Kind of guy who's going to rise a little bit' 2nd rd

Mike Mayock says Kaepernick has most upside, but has some things he has to work on mechanically 'Can throw the football through a wall.'

Mike Mayock on Slippery Rock's Brandon Fusco: 'He hung in there. Talking about a Division II kidTough kid Is he a draft pick? If so, late.'

Mayock says J.J. Watt (Wisconsin) is prototype 3-4 DE, says he's the best fit for that position in the draft. Likes him for Skins at No. 10.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767&t=7209605


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With the draft process just getting under way, here is a look at the top five prospects by position (underclassmen are indicated by a *). It is too soon to evaluate the quarterback position based on rankings, so they are separated into groups of four.

Quarterback:

*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
*3. Cam Newton, Auburn
*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
5. Andy Dalton, TCU

Running back:

*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
*3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
*5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State

Wide receiver:

*1. A.J. Green, Georgia
*2. Julio Jones, Alabama
3. Titus Young, Boise State
*4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
*5. Torrey Smith, Maryland

Tight end:

*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Virgil Green, Nevada

Guard/center:

1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
3. Clint Boling, Georgia
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State

Tackle:

1. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
2. Nate Solder, Colorado
*3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State

Defensive end:

*1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
*2. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
*3. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
4. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
5. Cameron Jordan, California

Defensive tackle:

*1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
*2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
*3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
*5. Jurrell Casey, Southern California

Outside Linebacker:

1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
*2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
*3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
5. Chris Carter, Fresno State

Inside Linebacker:

*1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (Fla.)
3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
4. Casey Matthews, Oregon
5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU

Cornerback:

*1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara
*3. Aaron Williams, Texas
4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
*5. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)

Safety:

*1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
2. Ahmad Black, Florida
3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
5. Deunta Williams, North Carolina

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81...dule=Combine_CP


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Jenkins is a Pro Bowl caliber safety as well. I still think that a shutdown CB who can play on an island is more valuable than a safety. However, with today's passing rules a safety is MUCH more valuable than they used to be...........I wouldn't have been upset with Jenkins (even though most figured he would play FS), and I won't be upset if we draft Peterson for that purpose either.




Sign me up...

HOW could we possibly go wrong with a Peterson at FS to team up with Ward...

Over the top coverage has been SAD to say the least for us since forever...

Corner OR Safety...Peterson gives us yet another Playmaker on D...


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Mayock: Combine may put Robert Quinn in mix for No. 1 overall pick

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 23, 2011, 12:43 PM EST

Former North Carolina defensive end Robert Quinn didn’t play in 2010 because of a suspension for receiving illegal benefits from an agent. And it may not matter.

Quinn still has a chance to be taken No. 1 overall in April’s draft, according to NFL Network’s Mike Mayock. Speaking on the Rich Eisen Podcast, Mayock said he expected Quinn to “blow up” the Combine.

“I’m probably going to walk in there on the first day of the defensive line drills and say he’s the No. 1 pick in the whole country,” Mayock said. “And he didn’t play last year.”

Mayock said he recently watched a lot of ’08 and ’09 film on Quinn and was highly impressed. He said Quinn could run a 4.55 forty at 6’4, 275 pounds at the combine. (That’s about the same speed as a possession receiver.)

It’s not like Quinn would just be a workout wonder; he produced plenty at North Carolina before his suspension. Taking Quinn would be a risk, but fellow athletic freak Clemson defensive end Da’Quan Bowers really had one big year.

There may not be a “safe” no brainer No. 1 selection this season and Mayock has already moved Quinn ahead of Bowers in his defensive end rankings.

Mayock’s bold statement may take some draftniks by surprise. But we’ve learned over the years that Mayock’s bold statements in February often turn into conventional wisdom by April.

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