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C'mon, Mac, stop being such an apologist. The "truth" is very simple. Gore is using $30,000 a year in utilities while preaching to everyone how they must reduce using them themselves. You wan the truth, mac? Look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary and there you will see a perfect definition of Mr. Gore.
GAHHHH!!!!
Sorry, I said I wouldn't post in this topic any more, but after seeing posts like this, I couldn't resist.
There's a difference between using $30,000 in utilities of GREEN POWER (I.E. No carbon emissions, does not contribute to global warming) and regular power. "A kilowatt is a kilowatt" is not an accurate statement. Gore preaches that we should reduce CARBON EMISSIONS. And that is what he is doing.
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C'mon, Mac, stop being such an apologist. The "truth" is very simple. Gore is using $30,000 a year in utilities while preaching to everyone how they must reduce using them themselves. You wan the truth, mac? Look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary and there you will see a perfect definition of Mr. Gore.
coach...did you look up The Tennessee Center for Policy Research to see if they were an unbiased source for the "claimed" story?
Does the truth matter to you?
So many who just follow...check the brain at the door and repeat and repeat and repeat...even if the truth is a casuality.
Speaking of casualities, we lost 4 more soldiers in the Iraq war yesterday, bringing the total to 3161 kia, 77 kia for the month of Feb.
Honor our fallen warriors and pray for the families they leave behind...thank you....mac
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No, there is not difference. Hoarding energy is hoarding energy. Period. End of discussion. I understand you are infatuated with this very unstable man, but you're going beyond ridiculous in your defense of his hypocrisy. Where is he getting his natural gas from? Please.
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Mac, did you see anyone disputing how much he is spending? No, not even Gore himself is denying it. He's trying to explain it away and, as you said, some are checking their brains at the door to defend his hypocrisy.
Oh, and yes, I know about the loss of life in Feb....as we lost another member of our family.
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See this is the problem biz. The power grid is the power grid. Yes, you can pay your bills to a power broker that may use a percentage of green power, but in truth, you use the same power as the guy next door. And natural gas is natural gas, if you burn it, you are not "carbon neutral". One more "inconvienient truth" is that there will never be enough "green power" to contribute in any large way to the grid.
A kilowatt is a kilowatt at this point in time. If everyone in the country switched to a "green energy provider" where do you think that power would come from? Would the power plant that burn coal become obsolute? Could we shut down the nukes?
The amount of energy Al Gore uses, and the fact that he is claiming he is still not producing carbon emmisions is a dangerous joke. I have a family of six, that's heat, hot water, laundry, showers, meals and 4 computers. My buget amount is 325.00 per month. I get money back at the end of the year. I don't even claim to be doing my best to conserve. The truth is, and the only point I want to make in this entire thread, is pretty much YES, a kilowatt hour is a kilowatt hour. If every person in this country bought carbon credits and signed up for green energy it would make absolutely no difference, none at all, not even a little bit to the current state of carbon generation. Without a new technology, a viable one that works, the only way to reduce our waste is conservation. To preach otherwise, to claim that one's extravegant use is somehow OK through whatever means, is actually far more harmful than helpful.
I doubt that you will change your mind over a brief internet chat, but do you really think that what I'm telling you makes no sense? Do you really think there are seperate power grids for green and non-green power? Is there currently enough wind and solar capability to power the nation? Could there ever be?
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C'mon, Mac, stop being such an apologist. The "truth" is very simple. Gore is using $30,000 a year in utilities while preaching to everyone how they must reduce using them themselves. You wan the truth, mac? Look up the word hypocrite in the dictionary and there you will see a perfect definition of Mr. Gore.
GAHHHH!!!!
Sorry, I said I wouldn't post in this topic any more, but after seeing posts like this, I couldn't resist.
There's a difference between using $30,000 in utilities of GREEN POWER (I.E. No carbon emissions, does not contribute to global warming) and regular power. "A kilowatt is a kilowatt" is not an accurate statement. Gore preaches that we should reduce CARBON EMISSIONS. And that is what he is doing.
biz...I heard that explained on Olbermann last night but not knowing what it all meant and no story to refer to, I did not touch on those facts.
Thanks for explaining to all of us...
But you might be talking above those that rely on questionable sources for their information due to their political bias.
Who would have thought the GOP would feel so threatened by Gore?
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You are relying on KEITH OLBERMAN as a source and talking about others with an agenda, mac? C'mon, he is the furthest left wing nut out there.
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Love him or hate him - I'm not fond of him and I can tell you burn with rage over him - to call him a 'very unstable man' is just laughable.
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Very nicely put.
If he truly wants to show his conservation efforts, install windmill(s) and/or solar panels on the house. I recall a story of a local guy here in Columbus (he doesn't live too far from me) who powers most of his home from a windmill on his property. The power company, if I recall correctly, actually purchases his excess power; I'll see if I can't find the article - it was sometime last year in the Dispatch I think.
Anyhow, if Al made his home self sufficient as far as electricity goes it would certainly make is point stronger in my opinion. Do as I say, not as I do does not fly with me.
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In the end, a kilowatt is a kilowatt, right?
right......a tad embarrassing for him.....I like the image I have though of repulican party operatives going through his trash and shouting "UREKA!" as the pull out an electric bill with crusted soy sauce laden chinese food...hmmmm now that I think about it maybe they had to send it to an FBI lab in Quantico to have the forensic guys make it legible again. at taxpayers expense of course....and the timing of the story can't be a coincidence..Gore gets the Oscar....embarrassing timing, especially after all the talk since the Oscar win about Gore possibly tossing his hat into the presidential race
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You are relying on KEITH OLBERMAN as a source and talking about others with an agenda, mac? C'mon, he is the furthest left wing nut out there.
coach...one difference between Olbermann and the RW neocons you worship...Olbermann tells the truth!
I don't see anyone taking Olbermanns claims and pointing out that he's lying.
It's great to see honesty in the media, someone just telling the truth.
BTW, Bush still has not claimed that he found any of the WMDs he said Iraq had as evidence for the need for war.
Again, I ask all to honor our fallen warriors and pray for the families they leave behind...thanks...mac
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Love him or hate him - I'm not fond of him and I can tell you burn with rage over him - to call him a 'very unstable man' is just laughable.
Olberman is worse than unstable. He is a traitor.
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Olberman is worse than unstable. He is a traitor.
First of all, he was talking about Gore.
Secondly...please. please explain this ridiculous statement.
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LOL, yeah, Olbermann tells the "truth". Keep sippin that Kool Aid, Mac. Anything to fuel the fires of hatred for the Republicans, as always.
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Well this 57 year old retired loafer probably wouldn't be much good in combat...although I doubt that I would lend much "credit and comfort" to the enemy like many of our friends on the other side do.
In the meantime I imagine I'll just wait for Al Gore/Hillary Clinton/Sen. Obama to see who goes to the farthest lengths to :
1. Come from the humblest background...
2. Had to struggle against great odds to become educated...
3. Worked the physically most demanding jobs to get tuition money...
4. Contributed the most to the poor and downtrodden of America...
5. Uses the least amount of energy to be concerned the "greenest" of all..
6. Prove that they are looking out only for the best interests of the American poor and middle class....
Phil, You must realize who much fun is in store for all of us leading up to next February when in one day it will be decided.
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LOL...and that pedantic mongrel O'Reily doesn't?<ashamed he is of Irish descent> Olbermann and O'reily are flip sides of the same coin.
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There is a guy about an hour from me who uses water generated power for his entire home and runs a radio station. He also is hooked to the grid and back feeds enough to receive compensation. The problem with that type of thing, aside from the cost, is that very few people would be allowed to do that anymore. His water rights were grandfathered in his deed, and the county and town tried to stop him from doing it in the first place. I live too close to the airport to put up much of a flagpole, forget about a wind turbine. Solar power is somewhat viable for some people, but it's expensive, has a relatively short life cycle (the panels) and is far too cost prohibative to be viable.
Think about it. If any of these things were fiscally viable, and you A) could afford a 10,000 per month utility bill and B) had to pay it and C) were a self proclaimed environmental evangelist, would you not opt for the eco-alternative?
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Whats the big deal with this thread anyway. Gore has been talking out of his ass for years. Did anybody think he was going to change now 
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Where did I say that O'Reily was unbiased, Autumn? Mac is claiming one set of people have an agenda and are biased while trusting and relying on someone equally as biased. Nowhere will you see me claim that anyone in the media doesn't have bias. What I have stated is that there are facts that are indisputable in this. Gore is spending $30,000 a year for energy consumption while tooling around in his jet preaching for people to curb their energy consumption. Those are facts and no bias in the world can make them up.
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Well this 57 year old retired loafer probably wouldn't be much good in combat...although I doubt that I would lend much "credit and comfort" to the enemy like many of our friends on the other side do.
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Shadow, I have gone to a couple "Green Building" seminars and am currently studying for my LEED certification which is a construction standard for energy conservation and re-use. Basically if you are building a new building or renovating an old building, you can get it certified by this group at one of several different levels, "certified," "silver certified," "gold certified," or "platinum certified" I believe are the designations, there are only a couple platinum certified buildings in the country because it's almost impossible to achieve. There is a point system established and you get points based on what conservation methods you build into your building... some of the points are easy but then as you go for more, they get harder and harder to achieve and most owners aren't willing to shell out the money up front, even though it is supposed to save you money in the long run.
They are really doing some neat things to conserve energy, water, etc.... nowhere in my studies did it say, "use all you want, just get it from the right place"....
Some of the things they are doing are cool like building underground cisterns to collect rain water and then reusing it for irrigation, using waterless urinals, using more natural light and less florescents...
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Some people believe he's "doing all he can" for the environment because he uses special light bulbs and has a special car in his garage, yes. 
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If you haven't read and heard his rants in the couple of years after losing the election, then I can't help you. You claim to be so informed so you either are ignoring the truth behind calling hiim unstable during those times or you are so desperate to deflect criticism (as always) that you will once again try to rewrite history.
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To call Al Gore 'unstable' is akin to calling Bush 'retarded'. And what criticism am I deflecting? I hate Gore. 
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LOL, whatever. Keep your spinning going, Phil, it's been awhile but at least you aren't rusty at it. This is a thread about Gore's hypocrisy. You always come out and condemn people self righteously for not staying on topic, yet you try to bring up Bush and the war. LOL, yeah, that isn't deflecting from the topic.
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I dont care about Gore..if he is being hypocritical that's on him and I hope he answers for it...and I never said you said anything coach...boy you have a hair trigger don't ya?  I just made a point that there are self righteous demagogues on both sides of the broadcast dial. No more..no less....now if you want to argue lets argue about my BASELESS,UNPROVEN accusation that I posted earlier about GOP Operatives, soy sauce. FBI labs, and taxpayer cash! I will debate that all day! See how silly I sound?
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Some people believe he's "doing all he can" for the environment because he uses special light bulbs and has a special car in his garage, yes.
Well I provide lots of natural gas, so I guess I am doing my part 
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That's a great line of work to be getting into. And yes, I have heard they're even trying to harness wasted energy in elevators and working on installing piezo-electronics in floors to generate power from vibration. Quote:
nowhere in my studies did it say, "use all you want, just get it from the right place"
That's all I'm trying to say. If people were to do what you're talking about, their homes would lose less heat, they would be easier to cool, they would use less water, and so on. If people were to continue what they are doing now and buy carbon credits, some carbon credit broker (like Enron wanted to be) would be making lots of money as the current power grid chugged away staus quo.
Water collection systems are pretty cool. The gas station/carwash up the street from me has one. It very simply collects the carwash run off, filters out solids, and I guess there is some other sort of filtration because they use it for wash water outside, and an irregation system. Their grass is always full and perfect, which in turn goes through photo synthesis and inadvertantly buys them some "carbon credits". Ironic that their primary buisness is the dreaded fossil fuel.
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Actually, I was pointing out the same thing to mac before you replied to me bringing up O'Reily. Mac was calling one source bias while quoting Olbermann. It's kinda strange that you were pointing out the same thing I was trying to. Yes, I see how silly you sound quite often
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LOL, whatever. Keep your spinning going, Phil, it's been awhile but at least you aren't rusty at it.
What is that? Really? It's jibberish. It's childish. If you don't have anything to say, don't cluter up threads with nonsense like this.
Just what exactly am I spinning? That Gore isn't 'unstable'? Do you know the meaning of that word? I don't like Gore, but he most certainly isn't unstable. Come back with something viable and intelligent and we'll talk. Otherwise you're a waste of time to me and other reading this thread.
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While O'Reilly has as huge an ego as he is tall 6'5" he has no more ego than John Stewart, Gerald Rivera, Keith Olbermann or Rosie O'Donnell or Barbara Walters. He is a great interviewer and has grilled many a Republican and Democrat alike. His real agenda is the "win at all cost" Social Progressives who are intent on changing the Traditionalist culture of America to the Social Progressive culture of Europe.
While he is overbearing and smug often his work on behalf of getting Jessica's Law passed now in 41 or the 50 states...and his work to donate millions of supplies to the troops in the field is outstanding.
Definition of pedantic.....
"Characterized by a narrow, often ostentatious concern for book learning and formal rules: a pedantic attention to details. "
Wow!!! Now that is really a good reason to dislike a TV personality. He is well educated and follows a strict set of established rules. Yep Autumn, sure sounds like a mongrel to me!!!!
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Like I said before, you are either ignoring his rants after losing the elections or you are rewriting history (yet again)....and the next time you come back with something intelligent to say will be the first time. I love how you project yourself on others though...another typical tactic used by you all too often. You still have yet to answer why you decided to try to change the subject to Bush when we're talking about Gore. Yeah, that's not deflection. Maybe it's your ADD.
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:cracks up:Oh Ralphie...never leave this board...promise? I can call O'Reily anything I want...ya know whats funny?I watch him and Olbermann at the same time...picture in picture...I will point out another of ,what is to me, something that billyboy does that enrages me...shills his books constantly...I know it's capitalism but come on bill aint ya got enough scratch allready?
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"...Some of the things they are doing are cool like building underground cisterns to collect rain water and then reusing it for irrigation, using waterless urinals, using more natural light and less florescents..."
All wonderful concepts...I have heard of the cool water approach to air conditioning and it sounds great. I must admit the waterless urinal may stink tho.
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None of them have enough...that and they all have such a need to be in the public eye and feel important.
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Actually the waterless urinal doesn't stink as long as the filter is replaced regularly. There is a filter which has a grease film on it, the urine will pass through the grease, then the grease reseals and will not allow air to flow back through. There is also a mist spray of some sort that you hit when you're done which cleans the rest of the urinal. If anybody is interested in the process at all, go to... web page and watch the video on Pennsylvania's first green building.. it is almost half an hour long but it goes into great detail on the thought process of making buildings more efficient and more people friendly at the same time...
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J/C I watch Olberman every night, and he is a great journalist. I like Al Gore and his mission is genuine, and if the election had not been stolen in 2000, I feel the Iraq war would have been avoided. 4000 or so of our most patriotic young, would still be with us. Political discussion on this and other sports boards do not produce growth or understanding of differences. 95% of posters are closed minded, and live in their own fantasy world when it comes to politics. O.K, I feel better now. I have been trying to avoid these threads, because I find it uncomfortable being an extreme minority in the discussion, and knowing what ever I say will be road graded as insignificant, which considering this is a sports board, it's fate well justified. Go Browns Wooof Arrrrrg Wooof
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Well, obviously you are one of the 95% since you use the false assertion the election was "stolen". :rolleyes
If Gore is so "genuine", why is he using $30,000+ a year in energy? Please.
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