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Correct decision, though I would gladly sign up to kick each of these jackwads in the junk.
Some don't have junk..
Why not walk up to them, tell them to defend themselves, then punch them in the face??
If these people showed up at a funeral I attended, I am sure I would end up in jail.
If it was the funeral of a family member, I would be jailed a long time.
Reading this thread gave me the same feelings. I recently lost my Grandfather, and there will be services soon. He was a marine and the services will be at the Ohio Western Reserve National Cemetery. If these "people" decided to show up to that, well, I'd be relying on a jury of my peers very heavily, that's for sure...
God Bless your Grandfather's service as a Marine. Preserving the memory of those that went before me was one of the biggest reasons I was attracted to the Corps.
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But it's hard for me to tolerate those that would abuse those rights. If I ended up on a jury, I wouldn't be able to convict a person for taking the law into thier own hands.. I'd be wrong, but I'd do it anyway.
No less equally as wrong as those that would have brought that necessity of law upon themselves in the first place.
To follow on then, I would not be able to sit in judgement of you being "wrong."
Would it be wrong to react in a violent manner ? Most probably.
Is there a jury in the Land that would convict in either case ? Most probably not.
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But it's hard for me to tolerate those that would abuse those rights. If I ended up on a jury, I wouldn't be able to convict a person for taking the law into thier own hands.. I'd be wrong, but I'd do it anyway.
No less equally as wrong as those that would have brought that necessity of law upon themselves in the first place.
To follow on then, I would not be able to sit in judgement of you being "wrong."
Would it be wrong to react in a violent manner ? Most probably.
Is there a jury in the Land that would convict in either case ? Most probably not.
To me the problem isn't really about a persons rights so much as it is about common courtesy..
To show up at a funeral for a soldier killed in action and show complete disrespect for him and his family at a time of great loss and sorrow tells me that those protesters weren't brought up right.
I mean, I'm all for standing up for what you believe in, but not so much so that it disturbs people that are mourning the loss of a loved one.
That's just sick and disgusting.. A little common sense can go a long long way.
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I am all for the 1st amendment, but this is stretching the law to it's breaking point.
I did not serve this 'my' country so people could 'desecrate' a fallen service member.
I say kill'em all and let the Lord sort'em out.
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I did not serve this 'my' country so people could 'desecrate' a fallen service member.
I'm not trying to be flippant, but then why did you serve your country?
Would it be better if they were desecrating the funeral of an openly gay doctor or lawyer or plumber? How about somebodys grandmother who worked at an AIDS clinic? How about a pastor who invited homosexuals into his congregation to hear the word of the Lord?
Who exactly does deserve to have their funeral desecrated?
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What's the old saying? I disagree with what you say, but I'd fight to the death to protect your right to say it?
These protesters are as loathsome as a human being can be (if they even fit into human categories).
But I would fight tooth and nail to protect their right to be that loathsome.
Just because we don't like what someone does doesn't mean we should outlaw their right to do it. Because, then, what's the stopping point?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Because of people like this, I have a real hard time with organized religions.
As someone once said, "It's easy to get good people to do good things and bad people to do bad things. To get good people to do bad things takes religion."
Now that's a clever generalization, but folks such as these are what give this quote it's ring of thruth.
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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This is the same as saying the Muslim terrorists represent all Muslims. These whack-jobs don't represent all Christians.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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That is a clever quote and I can see the humor in it but I feel safe in saying that faith has led many bad people to do good things as well... As I said up top.. God loves spiritual fruit, not religious nuts. 
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I did not serve this 'my' country so people could 'desecrate' a fallen service member.
I'm not trying to be flippant, but then why did you serve your country?
Would it be better if they were desecrating the funeral of an openly gay doctor or lawyer or plumber? How about somebodys grandmother who worked at an AIDS clinic? How about a pastor who invited homosexuals into his congregation to hear the word of the Lord?
Who exactly does deserve to have their funeral desecrated?
Your simplifying my statement.
Allow me to reiterate ...I did not serve this 'my' country so people could 'desecrate' any burial.
Better?
Edit: Was someone else's burial protested other then the service member the thread implies?
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Thank you. I wasn't trying to simply or misinterpret.. thank you for the explanation... and thank you for your service. 
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I watched all of those today (I feel dirty)............that is, 100% without a doubt, a cult.
I think the part that's most telling is when he goes to school with one of the older girls and she talks about how she doesn't even think about marrying anymore. In essence, no one's good enough, they're all going to hell, therefore why should i worry about it? It's elitist to a degree, hubris at worst.
What did you think of the Fred Phelps' copouts about why he won't interview? I have a feeling he's getting senile, so he just sticks with what's familiar remembered easily.
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What did you think of the Fred Phelps' copouts about why he won't interview? I have a feeling he's getting senile, so he just sticks with what's familiar remembered easily.
Hard to tell - senility may be part of it, however I think he's afraid the more press this gets, the more he'll look stupid. I think that came across with his "that's a dumb question" comments. The "asked and answered" comments where he never answered anything.
It's a cult, no doubt. Probably got bigger than he thought it would media wise, and now he's concerned about that.
It's like he was insulted being questioned and tried to make the questioner the idiot when he in fact is.
Don't know if I mentioned it - but I have a cousin (technically, my mom's first cousin - so my first cousin once removed) that was in a cult a while back. The attitude/responses, etc from the "underlings" in these vid's are exactly like my cousin used to be/say.
What I found interesting was the younger generation has no interest in marriage (spoon fed to them over and over I'm sure), so this cult probably won't last too long. It seems it's all family - for the most part - and bringing in new flesh might "taint" the belief's - i.e. bring in a different view point. So, the leader tries to stave that off with his rants and ramblings. And, being the good, obedient followers, the younger gen. takes that tact - no one is good enough.
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Also, I should mention: the Bible expressly says "judge not lest you be judged", and as strict as they seem to be on following the Bible, they have no problem judging - not just individuals, but a whole society/country.
If they want to preach the way they do - perhaps they should fall in line with the word, no? From what I watched, I wouldn't have a chance of being a member of that church - and that's fine with me, I wouldn't want to be anyway.
But seriously - instead of living the life, they seem to want to point to others as NOT living the life. Kind of ironic in a wrong way.
It's a cult. The way they seclude themselves, the brainwashing of the kids, etc. It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
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It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
Never said it was  They're a fundamentalist fringe sect, just like the Muslim one's that call for the death of infidels. The crazies seem to get all the attention though ...
I wonder who will take it over after he dies? It's true he holds powerful sway over these people. What if he tells them to arm themselves and go out in blaze of glory?
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It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
Never said it was They're a fundamentalist fringe sect, just like the Muslim one's that call for the death of infidels. The crazies seem to get all the attention though ...
I wonder who will take it over after he dies? It's true he holds powerful sway over these people. What if he tells them to arm themselves and go out in blaze of glory?
I didn't say you said that - let your previous bias of me go.
If he tells them to arm themselves and go out in a blaze of glory? Well, I'm not in control of that - but if that would be his wish, I can only hope his wish is fulfilled for those firing. Don't want to see a Koresh kind of thing, though.
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It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
Well, Christianity itself is, by definition, a cult.
Though I don't think too many associate this guy with Christianity as a whole.
The illogical nature of his arguments and viewpoints, is, however, indicative of religion as a whole.
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It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
Well, Christianity itself is, by definition, a cult.
Though I don't think too many associate this guy with Christianity as a whole.
The illogical nature of his arguments and viewpoints, is, however, indicative of religion as a whole.
Interesting.
I disagree though. Sorry you feel that way.
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It's a cult and is not indicative of Christianity.
Well, Christianity itself is, by definition, a cult.
Though I don't think too many associate this guy with Christianity as a whole.
The illogical nature of his arguments and viewpoints, is, however, indicative of religion as a whole.
Interesting.
I disagree though. Sorry you feel that way.
In regards to my first point --
cult
noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
Christianity most certainly falls within those parameters, and therefore is, by definition, a cult.
And as for my second point ... one can have faith or whatever, but at the end of the day, believing that a man turned water into wine, walked on water, rose from the dead, etc. ...
... those are illogical beliefs. You can hold them, have faith in them, what have you ... but they are illogical beliefs.
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If I ended up on a jury, I wouldn't be able to convict a person for taking the law into thier own hands.. I'd be wrong, but I'd do it anyway.
First to another point you made about people forgetting Mattacks GF fought for the freedoms...I didn't forget as noted when I said I am glad this group has the right they do and I understand I would have to pay the price for my actions.
In cases of emotion like this, the presiding judge gives very specific instructions to the jury.
It would be like you saying I never hit the beach in the face even though everybody and their brother knows I did.
You can't just ignore the instructions.
First, you would hang the jury. After time the judge would come back and talk about those instructions again. If still hung, the judge would ask the foreman to what extent the jury was hung. If just you, you could be removed and possibly be held in contempt for failing to follow the judges instructions.
You can't just pretend something didn't happen.
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thus the reason I said I'd be wrong, but still, nobody is going to put a gun to my head,, No judge, no jury member,,
again, just to be clear, I know I'd be wrong to do it.
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I didn't say you said that - let your previous bias of me go.
Way to take a totally innocuous post and make it personal 
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Well, thanks. I guess. 
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Never said it was They're a fundamentalist fringe sect, just like the Muslim one's that call for the death of infidels. The crazies seem to get all the attention though ...
I wonder who will take it over after he dies? It's true he holds powerful sway over these people. What if he tells them to arm themselves and go out in blaze of glory?
Then he will in fact be like the Muslim radicals...
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Exactly, I'm trying to back up the idea that others have stated in this thread and pushing it a bit farther. In my opinion it doesn't matter what religion, or lack there of, that you are, but when you let someone have that much power over you that you no longer think for yourself it's ultimately a bad thing.
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but when you let someone have that much power over you that you no longer think for yourself it's ultimately a bad thing.
Like the government?
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but when you let someone have that much power over you that you no longer think for yourself it's ultimately a bad thing.
Like the government?
No, because the government is there to take care of and protect us.  They would never do anything evil. 
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Just bumping to provide this link:
http://www.godvine.com/Christian-Veterans-Protect-the-Funeral-of-a-Fallen-Soldier-278.html
Here is a video a friend sent this morning. There are Americans out there who know how to exercise their rights too.
Oh man,,,,, That preacher that organizes this activity is my hero... What a guy
How does any right minded person get to the conclusion that we should leave our fallen soldiers on the field of battle because America has to pay the price for tolerating homosexuality?
How freakin warped do you have to be to think that....
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If I'm anticipating this correctly, this outfit is the same one in Ohio that rides around to every funeral in the State. I know a few of these guys personally. They are quite the stand up bunch.
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If I'm anticipating this correctly, this outfit is the same one in Ohio that rides around to every funeral in the State. I know a few of these guys personally. They are quite the stand up bunch.
Well, they'd get my vote for being stand up.....
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Hacker activists 'Anonymous' still have WBC/Phelps websites' shut down. Why doesn't God just fix it for them?
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