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link As the NFL remains in serious jeopardy of a lockout, the Cleveland Browns made one last move at quarterback. Cleveland signed backup Seneca Wallace to three-year deal Thursday evening, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports. Here are some thoughts on the signing: * The Mike Holmgren connection is definitely at work here. The Browns' president brought Wallace to Cleveland from the Seattle Seahawks last year and now signs him to a three-year extension. The length of the contract is somewhat surprising, considering the team is fully committed to 2010 third-round pick Colt McCoy. But Wallace played decent in four starts last season, and every team could use an experienced backup. * Wallace's value increased when rookie head coach Pat Shurmur was hired and confirmed the Browns would switch to a West Coast offense. Wallace knows the system well and ran it under Holmgren in Seattle. Cleveland needs at least one quarterback in the meeting rooms and on the sideline who knows the nuances of the offense and won't go through growing pains of learning it for the first time. * Finally, you have to wonder what this signing means for veteran quarterback Jake Delhomme. Cleveland is committed to McCoy as the starter and just gave a three-year extension to Wallace as a backup, leaving Delhomme's future with the Browns up in the air. Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert also plan to draft a quarterback to develop in the middle or later rounds. Delhomme was signed last year to be a bridge to McCoy, but the rookie was ready sooner than expected. Now without a role, Delhomme could be the odd man out.
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Great! Now, what about Wright, Vickers, and Elam?
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Kinda surprised by this. During the season it seemed he wanted a chance to be a starter and it is known that we're moving forward with McCoy as our guy. I thought he would've tested the market to see if someone would take him as a starter. Oh well, glad he's staying.
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Wallace doesn't have it in him to help McCoy but he will push McCoy. Now that push might be into oncoming traffic because Wallace wants to start.
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We probably draft a QB late and try and sneak him onto the practice squad while keeping Delhomme as our 3rd QB.
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It seems like Vickers and Elam will be let go.
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When was the last time the Browns re upped a quarterback and that player stuck around for the length of that contract?
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Note: that the dead line is for RFA and not UFA. That won't happen until June.
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We probably draft a QB late and try and sneak him onto the practice squad while keeping Delhomme as our 3rd QB.
Could be, but I tend to think Jake will be let go. My guess is if we draft the qb we hope to land in the draft, Jake will be let go shortly after the draft so he has a chance to land somewhere else.
He is a seasoned vet. You don't jerk them around and cut them on the last camp cut.
Now, I am wondering who we might be interested in drafting??
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I'm very excited that Seneca "The Tallest" Wallace has been brought back. I wonder if the Browns asked teams around the league if he would be able to start for them, and when it became apparent he couldn't, he may be realized we're his best option. I think he's a very good backup, knows our system. He knows Colt is the starter now, may be they'll work together and he can help Colt get up to speed on our new offense. Plus he makes the most sense as a backup because both him and Colt are mobile QB's, and they both try to play an efficient offense. Either way, hopefully this is good riddance to Jake Delhomme, that boso was awful. Essentially we were absolutely robbed So yeah, I'm very happy Seneca Wallace is a Brown for another three years Quote:
It seems like Vickers and Elam will be let go.
Someone like the Jets is gonna get Vickers and they'll love him. Their FB is getting old I think, and when it comes to blocking, Vickers established himself as one of the very best in the league.
I think that a lot of credit should be given to Terrelle Smith for how good of a FB Vickers became.
Although I wouldn't be surprised to see either of these guys back. It seems like we're looking for a new safety, but if we can't find one that's any good, not having Elam would be disappointing. We have no depth at safety really also. Mike Adams may be? This could be one of our top 3 picks in the draft now (FS), which I really didn't want to focus on. I was beginning to hope we go with a combo of D-Line, RT or RG (if we can get that Cannon guy in the 2nd), and WR (or another linemen if none are any good where we pick)
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The Dolphins could be a contender for Vickers as well. I would have to believe that Daboll is a huge fan of Vickers.
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The Dolphins could be a contender for Vickers as well. I would have to believe that Daboll is a huge fan of Vickers.
You are right. They might go for him too. A lot of people would like him, teams that don't use the FB much as an offensive play option at least.
Although Vickers was not that bad of an offensive option, it just wasn't one of his strengths.
It's really too bad that we let him go, he's been on the team since he was drafted (outta Colorado) and has really improved himself. He's a great battering ram and really helps our RBs.
May be he'll come back
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He was also one of the guys who was close to Mangini. After Mangini was fired he was upset and said to a reporter that "We just lost our leader today", or something to that effect.
That may have something to do with it if they have decided not to bring him back.
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Delhomme was signed last year to be a bridge to McCoy, but the rookie was ready sooner than expected. Now without a role, Delhomme could be the odd man out.
Didn't we hear from Heckert that some kinda adjustment to Jakes contract was in order? I'm pretty sure we did.
So, unless Jake doesn't want to do that, I guess he's getting paid this year anyway right?
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I like it. Suspect that waters were tested and not a ton of interest for him to start. I can see JD shopped, and I am OK without him. Interested in a later rounder. For once, maybe we don't have about a dozen or slightly less QBs in camp. We need to shop FA if it happens, and JD is not a great NFL value in my opinion. Great vet, but we need better.
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Delhomme was signed last year to be a bridge to McCoy, but the rookie was ready sooner than expected. Now without a role, Delhomme could be the odd man out.
Didn't we hear from Heckert that some kinda adjustment to Jakes contract was in order? I'm pretty sure we did.
So, unless Jake doesn't want to do that, I guess he's getting paid this year anyway right?
I doubt he's gonna get paid. I expect him to get cut if he doesn't take the vet minimum. We aren't gonna pay him his regular contract, that would be ridiculous. It's like 10 million or something like that. We should have franchised Matt Roth if we were gonna do that.................
Delhomme was a fine mentor for Colt, but he also has QB coaches for that. I'd rather draft a young guy to be McCoy's backup of the future (may be that guy from Nevada? or Ricky Stanzi from Iowa?). McCoy might learn a little by taking some young guy under his wing (have someone pick him up to go to practice) and go about his business.
I'm sure Jake's a great mentor, but McCoy is a smart guy. He's had a ton of experience in big college football and he's had a year of Delhomme mentoring under his belt.
I will be very disappointed if Delhomme is on this team next year. Between Holmgren, Shurmur, and Whipple, there's plenty of QB gurus on this team. Jake Delhomme's mentoring is not worth a roster spot for a nowhere awful veteran player who won't be improving
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IMHO, Jake is gone. No place for him because he doesn't produce on the field. Sad we had to find out the hard way, but I don't see them making that mistake again. Even at 3rd QB with a pay cut. We need someone on the field, (if the other two go down,) who either is capable of moving the chains or is at least developing.
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He was also one of the guys who was close to Mangini. After Mangini was fired he was upset and said to a reporter that "We just lost our leader today", or something to that effect.
That may have something to do with it if they have decided not to bring him back.
If that plays a factor in this decision then we are in trouble. I believe it just a concept that TE are used in West Coast offense and not FB. FB has been a dying breed for some time.
What made Vickers so good was his strength at blocking angles. He understands the reads of a running back having been one at Colorado. He will be picked so fast on the open market it will make Heckert's head spin. Don't forget about Philly, Phil Savage is there and he drafted Vickers.
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Delhomme was signed last year to be a bridge to McCoy, but the rookie was ready sooner than expected. Now without a role, Delhomme could be the odd man out.
Didn't we hear from Heckert that some kinda adjustment to Jakes contract was in order? I'm pretty sure we did.
So, unless Jake doesn't want to do that, I guess he's getting paid this year anyway right?
I doubt he's gonna get paid. I expect him to get cut if he doesn't take the vet minimum. We aren't gonna pay him his regular contract, that would be ridiculous. It's like 10 million or something like that. We should have franchised Matt Roth if we were gonna do that.................
Delhomme was a fine mentor for Colt, but he also has QB coaches for that. I'd rather draft a young guy to be McCoy's backup of the future (may be that guy from Nevada? or Ricky Stanzi from Iowa?). McCoy might learn a little by taking some young guy under his wing (have someone pick him up to go to practice) and go about his business.
I'm sure Jake's a great mentor, but McCoy is a smart guy. He's had a ton of experience in big college football and he's had a year of Delhomme mentoring under his belt.
I will be very disappointed if Delhomme is on this team next year. Between Holmgren, Shurmur, and Whipple, there's plenty of QB gurus on this team. Jake Delhomme's mentoring is not worth a roster spot for a nowhere awful veteran player who won't be improving
Well yeah,, if he doesn't take a cut in pay, I also expect he'll get cut. Heckert about said as much.
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* Finally, you have to wonder what this signing means for veteran quarterback Jake Delhomme. Cleveland is committed to McCoy as the starter and just gave a three-year extension to Wallace as a backup, leaving Delhomme's future with the Browns up in the air. Holmgren and general manager Tom Heckert also plan to draft a quarterback to develop in the middle or later rounds. Delhomme was signed last year to be a bridge to McCoy, but the rookie was ready sooner than expected. Now without a role, Delhomme could be the odd man out.
No, One does not have to wonder. Jake was a Mistake and needs no ReTake.
G O N E is what he is. He tried his best, great character, I wish hime the best.
Can we keep him then trade him before Preseason?
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This is a great move by the Browns and ensures stability at the QB position with two of our 3 openings (at QB) now filled for the next few years.
Jake is gone...we just don't know when or how the move will be made. If Jake is determined to pursue an NFL career, he will likely be cut in the near future. If Jake is ready to hang up the spikes, he might be a candidate for coaching job.
...either way, I believe Jake has played his last football for the Browns.
I wonder which QBs are on H&H's draft board?
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I would be very surprised if we picked a QB in the first 3 rounds. With that in mind;
I can't comment on what or who H&H might be targeting, but here is who I might consider;
» Ricky Stanzi, 4th or 5th
rounds. Stanzi is far from polished, but he has good leadership skills and is a real competitor.
» Gregory McElroy, 5th or 6th rounds he might be a reach before then.
McElroy is my favorite late round QB, because I think he will make a good fit for our NCO even if he never amounts to more then a backup to Colt.
» Jeff Van Camp, a raw prospect who is pretty athletic with good size might be worth taking a flyer on in FA or perhaps using one of our 6th round picks on.
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It's mostly been said already but this is a great move. Having a capable backup QB is important in the NFL as most QBs don't make it through the whole season without missing some time. Us Browns fans know this all too well.
I think the whole 'mentoring' role is severely overblown for the most part. Brett Favre was openly adamant that it wasn't his job to teach Aaron Rodgers, who I believe currently is the all-time record holder in both regular season passer rating and post-season passer rating. Now I'm not saying the mentoring role is a bad thing-- it just doesn't really matter.
McCoy is a hard worker with a good head on his shoulders and there is plenty of offensive minds and coaches in the organization to help him out. If for some reason he doesn't succeed, I'm confident it won't be due to lack of effort or expertise.
Now Holmgren just has to find a guy he likes in the mid-rounds or later and develop him. It seems like a good plan to me. As I've said before, having 2 good QBs isn't a problem. Not having any is a big problem.
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Wallace has worked with Holmgren in Seattle and he's obviously comfortable with Wallace. (Yeah, I think this was Holmgren's decision to re-sign Wallace.) Statistically, Wallace's numbers aren't that bad. He's never really played an entire season as a starter but his accumulated career numbers aren't bad.
60% completion, 29 TDs, 16 INTs, 83.9 QB rating
I like the move.
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Wallace has worked with Holmgren in Seattle and he's obviously comfortable with Wallace. (Yeah, I think this was Holmgren's decision to re-sign Wallace.) Statistically, Wallace's numbers aren't that bad. He's never really played an entire season as a starter but his accumulated career numbers aren't bad.
60% completion, 29 TDs, 16 INTs, 83.9 QB rating
I like the move.
I bet you are right that Holmgren pushed for Wallace. But does anyone think that it's a bad idea? I don't.
we have a new HC, a starting QB with very few games started in the league and NONE in the WCO or NCO or whatever it's called.
Wallace seems like terrific and relatively cheap insurance.
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I would have been upset if I had heard that we were signing Delhomme to a long-term deal. I'd even be upset if we kept Delhomme here at all.
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Ya, Delhomme really doesn't have a place here anymore. Here's my preferred QB setup for the most part:
QB1: your starter obviously, the guy who gives you the best chance to win
QB2: veteran guy who can step up and perform admirably
QB3: talented but perhaps raw guy that has a real chance at being a #1 guy someday
Sometimes QB2 and QB3 are switched. And if there's a 4th guy it has to be the practice squad and he's probably a UDFA/longshot anyway.
If you have 2 (or more) guys who are legit starter caliber, like Philly the last couple years, you have options. You can keep them for good depth or trade them and get significant value. Seems like a win-win situation to me.
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