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Nba insiders. You know those guys on your tv. If you havn't noticed Howard is 7 feet tall, and a lot better player than Bynum.
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People have said they didn't trade for melo because they wanted to keep bynum for next season when howard is available.
What people? They didn't trade Bynum because he is seven feet tall and the owner's son "discovered" him.
If the Lakers could trade Bynum for Howard you don't think they would do it? 
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Uh yea.. then give the owners son the credit so he can still feel good about himself. 
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Nba insiders. You know those guys on your tv. If you havn't noticed Howard is 7 feet tall, and a lot better player than Bynum.
That's funny because I just Googled "andrew bynum dwight howard trade" and nothing from anyone I've ever heard of came up.
What I do know is that Jim Buss drafted Andrew Bynum. And he doesn't want to trade him.
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The bad part of Bynum's deal is that his injuries make him not worth the money they're paying him. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't miss like 90 games over the past three years. I'd want to get out from under a guy who can't stay healthy and, frankly, isn't that great to begin with.
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I'd want to get out from under a guy who can't stay healthy and, frankly, isn't that great to begin with.
Right. His contract expires after next season.
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And teams typically trade away players with overvalued contracts in the last year of the deal if that player does not figure unto their long term plans. Regardless of Jerry Buss's kid's personal attachment to him, he's overpaid, can't stay healthy and puts up pedestrian numbers when he plays (11 points, 8 boards, less in the postseason). If Dwight Howard pulled a Carmelo next year and wanted to go to the Lakers, it would behoove Orlando to take on Bynum's deal to get him off their books in 2012, because without Howard they won't be very good and they might be able to use the cap space to overpay for a vet free agent or bring on a couple role players. This is assuming, of course, that the CBA retains it's current structure, which remains to be seen.
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i would love to have bynum at the 8-9m range. basically what we're paying andy.
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If Howard wants to be a laker, there's no reason to believe he won't be. Lebron got his way going to miami, same with melo going to New York. It's a star driven league, and there's no doubt in my mind the lakers would find a way to get Howard on board. Nothing against Bynum, but Howard's abilities don't come around often.
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If Howard wants to be a laker, there's no reason to believe he won't be.
Other than the fact that the Lakers have the highest salary in the league with almost all there payroll tied up in long term contracts.
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Does anyone think the Heat will finish the year off 19-0?
Because that's what they'd need to do for lebron to beat the win total from the Cavs last year (61), they're currently 43-20.
Barring an amazing streak, he teamed up with Wade and Bosh to have a worse team than he had last year. Enjoy.
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no to mention they won't sniff what the cavs did in 2009. 66-16, i don't think that has registered with a lot of people. that was a DAMN good team.
the cavs won 61 games last year despite many injuries, a big trade involving a player who has been with the team for a decade and a half, and coasting down the stretch.
hell the cavs even threw away the last game in 09 because it was all locked up, they could have been 67-15
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I don't really pay all that much attention to Bball, but I just decided to look at the standings today...
I really thought, and I think they did as well, that with LBJ, Wade and Bosh, that team would run away with it all..
Is it the coach or the players? Too many big heads maybe?
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Tuesday March 29th could be an interesting day....
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fantastic point, that was a fun time to be a Cavs fan.
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I don't really pay all that much attention to Bball, but I just decided to look at the standings today...
I really thought, and I think they did as well, that with LBJ, Wade and Bosh, that team would run away with it all..
Is it the coach or the players? Too many big heads maybe?
i said a few weeks ago that having lebron and wade is like having 1 car with 2 really awesome engines. the car only needs one so the other is almost useless, even though it's a nice engine.
they also lack size. and i don't think spoelstra is the right guy. the dude looks like he's the coach of some AAU team trying to hack his way into a lower level/community college coaching gig.
it's just that people have a problem with how they went about themselves after the decision. going through that circus with the smoke and rap music like it was the WWE.
and now with the comments last night. not a good mix....
that's lebron's team too. if you have watched enough of their games. he has turned them into the cavs south. he dribbles the ball up the court (sound familiar?), he controls the offense, and everyone else stands around (sound familiar?). even wade is deferring to him. wade, the guy that brought them their one and only championship.
yes, when they play good defense, they get out and run, and it's exciting (sound familiar?) but when they are forced into half court sets it can be excruciating to watch (sound familiar?)
and the coach? even though i don't think the guy is a great coach he doesn't stand a chance. they wave off plays and just undermine the guy (sound familiar?)
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I also didn't anticipate Bosh being that big of a non-factor. I remember when I thought he would have been perfect on the Cavs to pair next to LBJ. Hasn't really worked the way I'd envisioned it. I would also point to Haselm's injury as a factor as well. His impact doesn't always show up in the stat sheet.
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What happens on the 29th?
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by the way, the guy that emceed that circus the night after the decision is the tv announcer for the heat. that guy is the biggest weiner in sports broadcasting (can i say weiner on this board?) the tv announcer for the cubs thinks that guy is kinda weinerish.
i used to LOATHE getting the miami broadcast for the cavs games back in the day when i had nba LP
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I hope we win and put them into shell shock
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I never thought that Bosh was all that .... and had someone tell me I was nuts for saying so on this very site.
I wish I could remember who ..... not that it really matters. lol
It would be nice if ....after the season .... if we can't find a great player to bring in using our exemption ..... then maybe we can use it to facilitate a trade for another team. For instance ..... maybe the Lakers want Howard, but cannot make the numbers work. We take one of their "bad" contracts in exchange for a few draft picks .....and then we're loaded with picks for quite a while to come.
That could work quite nicely.
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If they don't win it all this year - no problem. They'll have the perfect scapegoat in their coach. And they'll use it, trust me.
But next year? I have a feeling Lawannabe and Wade didn't realize it might be like this........having problems. People were supposed to bow down to them.
And Bosh? Really - was he ever that good?
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and now with the comments last night. not a good mix....
Like I said, I don't pay much attention to Bball, and I didn't read through this thread either,, just wanted to make an observation.
So, tell me, what were the comments last night?
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I hope we win and put them into shell shock
Unfortunately in our first meeting with the Heat, after they had started the season slow and the Cavs were playing decent.. after the beat down the Cavs curled up into the fetal position and the Heat went on a run...
Can't let that happen again.
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And Bosh? Really - was he ever that good?
Well, he is one of only 10 players in the league averaging at least 18 ppg and 8 rebounds per game.
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He also doesn't post up despite being the team's starting power forward, meaning that their options when they want to work the ball inside are Z, Erick Dampier or Joel Anthony. In other words, they don't have much of an inside game.
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and now with the comments last night. not a good mix....
Like I said, I don't pay much attention to Bball, and I didn't read through this thread either,, just wanted to make an observation.
So, tell me, what were the comments last night?
wade said after the game yesterday that everyone got what they wanted, the heat are struggling. basically playing the woe is me card.
here's the exact quote “The Miami Heat are exactly what everyone wanted, losing games,” Wade said. “The world is better now because the Heat is losing.”
couple that with the video that someone linked about, the night after the decision when they were onstage acting like idiots.
anyone hear stan van gundy's quote today. priceless. the master of panic nailed it.
"My suggestion would be if you don't want the scrutiny, you don't hold a championship celebration before you've even practiced together. It's hard to go out yourself and invite that kind of crowd and celebration and attention, and then when things aren't going well, sort of bemoan the fact that you're getting that attention. To me, that doesn't follow."
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Van Gundy said that?
That's awesome.
I've always liked that guy. Tells it like it is.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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"My suggestion would be if you don't want the scrutiny, you don't hold a championship celebration before you've even practiced together. It's hard to go out yourself and invite that kind of crowd and celebration and attention, and then when things aren't going well, sort of bemoan the fact that you're getting that attention. To me, that doesn't follow."
Yep. That's the crux of it right there. Don't be the cocky little kid, telling the world that you're going to kick everyone's butt .......... then go crying to mommy when it's you'r butt getting stomped.
Man these guys are crybabies. 
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And Bosh? Really - was he ever that good?
Well, he is one of only 10 players in the league averaging at least 18 ppg and 8 rebounds per game.
Bosh is a better player than what he has shown. He is better when he gets a lot of touches.
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Bosh is a better player than what he has shown. He is better when he gets a lot of touches.
Most players are better the more they touch the ball, the more they are able to get into the flow of the game.. unfortunately for the Heat, there is only one ball on the court at a time...
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bosh is a very good player, but the guy is incredibly soft. shaq was right.
i just seem to remember him being a pretty good defensive player in college.. he comes over and doesn't bring the toughness with him. and that's not about college being easier than nba. duh. it's about being tough. if you are tough in college, you can carry that over.
it's kinda funny though that during the free agency period, before the decision, before bosh chose miami, he was telling people he thought he should be the player people build around. and now he's barely the 3rd cog in miami. lol
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All I know for sure is that this "super team" isn't so super after all..
I mean, in the end, it could be a championship team,, dunno, but it's not looking like one right now.
Come on Wade,, you, the team, Bosh and James conspire to kill two other franchises, lead a bunch of franchises on and then you pull the rug out from under them all and you wonder why you are the team to hate..
For cryin out loud, you did it to yourselves..
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i just seem to remember him being a pretty good defensive player in college.. he comes over and doesn't bring the toughness with him. and that's not about college being easier than nba. duh. it's about being tough. if you are tough in college, you can carry that over.
I don't remember him being that tough. I remember him being a decent shot blocker because he was long and athletic.. but I remember guys like Sean May getting the best of him when they could get physical with him.
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i'm not saying the guy was rick mahorn or anything, but he played down low more. he got his hands dirty. he goes to the nba and all he wants to do is shoot 15 footers.
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Come on Wade,, you, the team, Bosh and James conspire to kill two other franchises, lead a bunch of franchises on and then you pull the rug out from under them all and you wonder why you are the team to hate..
For cryin out loud, you did it to yourselves..
To be fair, Bosh never led Toronto on, he told them he was leaving when his contract was up a little bit in advance. Wasn't even close to what happened here.
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He still did not give them the opportunity to get anything in return for him. I'm not about to pat Chris Bosh on the back for tweeting "What team should I play for next?" two months before the season was over.
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While he did at least give fans some advanced notice that he was likely on his way out, he still pretended to give them and the club a glimmer of hope (which is why Toronto didn't trade him, and hoped for the best) ... but worst of all, he completely mailed it in for the entire season.
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While he did at least give fans some advanced notice that he was likely on his way out, he still pretended to give them and the club a glimmer of hope (which is why Toronto didn't trade him, and hoped for the best) ... but worst of all, he completely mailed it in for the entire season.
yeah, literally.
the guy was sitting out games with questionable injuries. and while we as fans want teams that are bad to stay bad because of the lotto. not all teams think that way. some think of the operating income you get from a playoff series as good money.
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