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nobody is saying they are innocent. perhaps you should read my comment again.
i said i just don't see it as a huge deal. especially when the national champion payed a player a six figure income to come and play for their school.
i also said they should be held accountable. not sure if you caught that or not.
You assume that Auburn is guilty yet also assume that OSU is innocent. Why is that?
are you illiterate? i never said ohio state was innocent. for the second time now.
Sorry. I must have associated a previous post with you and clearly I didn't pay enough attention to correctly filter out what you had said and what others had said.
Either way, Auburn isn't relevant to this thread. If they are found to have given Newton money, then punishment should be severe.
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I heard on the local sports talk show OSU has called a 7PM press conference. Do any of you locals know if this is correct....maybe it will be on one of the ESPN's. Looks like there has. http://www.nesn.com/2011/03/ohio-state-c...im-tressel.html
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It's all over the news here that there will be a presser at 7.
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It's on ESPN live at 7.
I don't have a good feeling about this.
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Early word is he admits he knew, but won't resign or be fired.
Seeking reduced sanctions as it wasn't intentional.
We'll see what is said and what the NCAA does.
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ESPNews, not ESPN, in case anyone's looking. At least here in Cleveland.
Two-game suspension for Tress.
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I don't have a good feeling about this.
Looks like womens college b-ball to me
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It's on (live) Fox 8 here in Cleveland.
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"No intent" key words before Tressel speech.
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I find it disturbing that an AD snitched on tressel
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So Cam Newton is a hero in this years draft and a couple of guys sell THEIR OWN gear and its like the holocost has occured in the NCAA?!
NCAA is a whacko organization...
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Guess I am confused. If he was informed, and knew what he was told would mean a violation if reported, and he didn't, then how do his players remain eligible? He knowingly played players who, given this information, he knew were not eligible.
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Two-game ban.
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I think a more pressing issue is that, had he reported it, he would've violated confidentiality and run the risk of being charged with interfering with a federal drug-trafficking investigation.
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Guess I am confused. If he was informed, and knew what he was told would mean a violation if reported, and he didn't, then how do his players remain eligible? He knowingly played players who, given this information, he knew were not eligible.
An E-mail is hardly more then hear say.
Should he take every E-mail he receives as fact. Who knows what discussions and conclusions were drawn from that at the time it occurred.
Still it's a black eye for the program.
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I think a more pressing issue is that, had he reported it, he would've violated confidentiality and run the risk of being charged with interfering with a federal drug-trafficking investigation.
I don't see that. He knew from the beginning. Long before confidentiality was a issue.
Sorry guys. I like Tress, and don't want to see him leave, but he and OSU are going to get more than this.
The bottom line is he knew there was a problem and didn't report it.
Sorry, this crap about not knowing who to talk to is bogus. He has a boss....the AD....he didn't.
Sorry a good guy who screwed up. Stuff happens.
I just hope it doesn't cost OSU more than 10 scholarships.
They may lose the season as well. Tress knew he was playing ineligible players.
Too bad....a good guy like him getting caught up in this and a guy like Lame Kiffin getting top jobs at will.
Doesn't seem right, but it is what it is, but Tress' violation is pretty severe.
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I heard somewhere this is going to take a while to play out, like a year or so. I have a feeling after it's all said and done, Ohio state will still be winless vs sec schools in bowl games, ouch 
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Guess I am confused. If he was informed, and knew what he was told would mean a violation if reported, and he didn't, then how do his players remain eligible? He knowingly played players who, given this information, he knew were not eligible.
I'm known to be an OSU hater, but this is a serious question I have. Not meant to be Ohio State bashing with this question, though some of you will still take it that way...
Like Cle23 said, he KNOWINGLY played ineligible players. Wouldn't this cause a vacated season?
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Too bad....a good guy like him getting caught up in this and a guy like Lame Kiffin getting top jobs at will.
or auburn buying themselves a national championship.
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He knew from the beginning. Long before confidentiality was a issue.
Sorry, but the way I heard it was that, to him, confidentiality WAS the issue from the beginning. Now whether the NCAA sees it the same way remains to be seen.
Talking about losing the season and scholarships seems a tad premature as well. They may lose some scholarships but 10 seems a little over the top, frankly. And why would they lose the season? The NCAA has known since November that those boneheads sold that stuff to the tattoo guy. Now, because Yahoo and ESPN smell blood in the water they're gonna impose even more sanctions on the team? That seems over the top as well.
But the NCAA is the closest thing to a dictatorship that this country has so I guess I won't be surprised at anything that happens.
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Too bad....a good guy like him getting caught up in this and a guy like Lame Kiffin getting top jobs at will.
or auburn buying themselves a national championship.
Why do you continue to bring up Auburn in this?
Did they pay Cam Newton? Probably.
Was it proven? No.
Was Ohio State's allegations proven? Yes.
There lies the difference, regardless of the severity, Auburns offense was never proven.
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ohio state self-reported themselves.
the smoke was there with auburn. everyone knows. i bring it up because it's complete bs. that's why.
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I'm just going to show you your homerism, here. Auburn allegations were never proven - Auburn should be punished. Derrick Rose has friend take SAT for him WHILE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL - John Calipari is a cheat. It's proven that Jim Tressel knew about an NCAA violation, and does not report it - It's BS. Come on. He got caught. Take the 2 game suspension, the 5 games from the players, and move on. Quit whining 
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no no, i have no problem with the suspension. because there was in infraction.
i just think it's hilarious that osu gets bumped for tattoos and selling 1200 in merch but the ncaa didn't try hard enough to prove the OBVIOUS problem down at auburn.
oh, but he didn't know. it was his dad. the kid had no idea that pops banked 180k.
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I love a Kentucky fan calling anyone else a whiner.........
"Quit whining" is very different from "You're a whiner".
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Do I think it's a big deal? Not really. But then again, do I think making phone calls to recruits during certain time periods is a big deal? No (Ask Kelvin Sampson how that worked out for him lol).
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I think a more pressing issue is that, had he reported it, he would've violated confidentiality and run the risk of being charged with interfering with a federal drug-trafficking investigation.
I don't see that. He knew from the beginning. Long before confidentiality was a issue.
From what I gather from the press conference, he received an email saying "so and so players are potentially involved in this. This is to remain confidential as it could jeopardize a federal drug-trafficking investigation." How is that in any way, shape or form "long before"?? GMAFB.
Tell me what happens when he reports it to the NCAA, they go on ESPN and in the national media stating that OSU players are suspended for their involvement in drug trafficking, and the criminals involved go underground?
So he talks to Gene Smith about it. Smith either doesn't report it, and OSU is guilty of NCAA violations, or he reports and they violate confidentiality. Either way we're back to square one.
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In reality it was all because a tattoo artist was dealing in drugs and being investigated. Players were customers of this artist. That raises a "concern". If he wasn't dealing in drugs then none of this would have happened and we would have NEVER heard about "tatgate". The only reason we heard about "tatgate" was because the authorities raided the place and found the memorabilia. Due to the nature of the situation they notified OSU to see if it was stolen property. Drugs and theft go hand in hand usually. That's how we stumbled upon "tatgate".
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In reality it was all because a tattoo artist was dealing in drugs and being investigated. Players were customers of this artist. That raises a "concern". If he wasn't dealing in drugs then none of this would have happened and we would have NEVER heard about "tatgate". The only reason we heard about "tatgate" was because the authorities raided the place and found the memorabilia. Due to the nature of the situation they notified OSU to see if it was stolen property. Drugs and theft go hand in hand usually. That's how we stumbled upon "tatgate".
How the information was found is also irrelevant.
The issue here is, Tressel knew and took no action, and did not notifiy the NCAA.
Tressel would not have been in ANY trouble if he hadn't tried to keep it hidden from the NCAA.
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In reality it was all because a tattoo artist was dealing in drugs and being investigated. Players were customers of this artist. That raises a "concern". If he wasn't dealing in drugs then none of this would have happened and we would have NEVER heard about "tatgate". The only reason we heard about "tatgate" was because the authorities raided the place and found the memorabilia. Due to the nature of the situation they notified OSU to see if it was stolen property. Drugs and theft go hand in hand usually. That's how we stumbled upon "tatgate".
How the information was found is also irrelevant.
The issue here is, Tressel knew and took no action, and did not notifiy the NCAA.
Tressel would not have been in ANY trouble if he hadn't tried to keep it hidden from the NCAA.
He should have talked to lawyers actually.
Breaking the feds confidentiality agreement is a serious offence.
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I'm an OSU fan - no doubt. Not as big as some, granted.
Rules are rules. Laws are laws - be they federal or state laws, or ncaa rules.
The players screwed the pooch, and the coach then tried to ignore what he was told. (if the reports as of now are correct, and I'm not saying they aren't).
So what should Tressel do? Take his lumps. I don't care what school X, Y, or Z did, or supposedly did. Doesn't matter.
What does matter is the players screwed up, they put the coach in a bad position, and he apparently took that bad position and made it worse. Blackeye to the Buckeyes.
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I am not denying he broke the rules. I just understand why he did it. I would be scared as hell if the feds were talking to me period.
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Where I come from, federal law trumps NCAA by-laws, and if I have to disobey one to obey the other, I'm obeying federal law. You know, like he was told to do by a federal attorney.
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Where I come from, federal law trumps NCAA by-laws, and if I have to disobey one to obey the other, I'm obeying federal law. You know, like he was told to do by a federal attorney.
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Where I come from, federal law trumps NCAA by-laws, and if I have to disobey one to obey the other, I'm obeying federal law. You know, like he was told to do by a federal attorney.
While none of us know all the details as yet - and many of you know more than I do - if Tressel got an e-mail from someone that basically said "your players are doing this - but don't say anything because of the investigation".......and it was from a reputable "someone", I contact that person and say "what do you want me to do? If I don't say something, I could lose my job. If I do say something, I might mess up your investigation. Why don't you and I talk to the ncaa together - so they are aware of it."
Hindsight is 20-20, of course.
However, the actions took place - the penalties will take place also. No sense trying to excuse anything.
If nothing else, the Buckeyes will run a cleaner ship in the future. And that will make it even better when they win another championship.
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I'm not trying to excuse it; just saying that, like Candyman, I understand the choice. You're right that hindsight is 20/20 and, assuming that he was genuine in what he said tonight, I'm not terribly upset about it. It was a lapse in judgment in what was most likely a confusing and trying situation.
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I'm not trying to excuse it; just saying that, like Candyman, I understand the choice. You're right that hindsight is 20/20 and, assuming that he was genuine in what he said tonight, I'm not terribly upset about it. It was a lapse in judgment in what was most likely a confusing and trying situation.
And that is that.
Now, he and the Buckeyes need to deal with the penalties - rightly deserved or semi-rightly deserved.
Bottom line is, the players screwed up and put the coach between a rock and a hard place. Now, the ncaa is going to get theirs, so to speak.
It is what it is. Can't change it.
It's a black eye for the buckeyes, yes. But it's out - no more hiding or wondering.....now they move on. No biggy.
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