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In the little time Shurmur and McCoy spent together prior to the league shutdown, Shurmur was able to convey some basics of his offense. McCoy returned home to Texas with a playbook and a smile, excited about the possibilities in the quarterback-friendly offense. "You can visualize yourself doing it and I think he can," Shurmur said. "When he gets more and more schooled in our approach, I think it'll become more familiar and hopefully he'll be happier and happier about it." Shurmur's pre-draft scouting of quarterbacks for the 2010 draft gave him some valuable background on McCoy. "I think he has the attributes that will make him a good quarterback in any system, especially our system," Shurmur said. "First and foremost is decision-making. If you have a guy that's a bad decision-maker, he'll always break your heart. But Colt's a good decision-maker. "He understands timing. What I mean by timing, he knows the urgency of getting rid of the football. He understands how a drop[back] relates to a route depth. So that's what I describe as timing. "Then, I think he's very accurate, which means he knows where to put the football on a receiver, whether he's stationary or running. He knows the touch necessary. Within accuracy, you have ball placement and touch. And he's a good athlete, which makes him mobile, which will help him in the pocket or in the situations when we move him outside the pocket." link http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/03/cleveland_browns_pat_shurmur_o.html
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I thought that it was against the rules for a player to have a playbook while there is a lockout ..... or whatever is going on. 
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maybe since he's not part of a union it changes things 
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I thought he was allowed to have a playbook, but just not meet with coaches?
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I thought he was allowed to have a playbook, but just not meet with coaches?
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This just makes no sense ...... either you can ... or you can't ...... it can't be both ways ....... http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/02/nfl_warns_cleveland_browns_not.htmlINDIANAPOLIS -- The Browns were one of several teams reminded this week by the NFL that players are not supposed to "meet" with coaches or be given playbooks during this period of the off-season. The issue came up, according to sources, after a story in The Plain Dealer reporting that quarterback Colt McCoy had been meeting with new coach Pat Shurmur since the Super Bowl. It was also reported that the Browns intended to give McCoy a portion of Shurmur's offensive playbook before the possible owners lockout on March 4 so that McCoy would have something to study during the work stoppage. In comments not used in the original story, Browns President Mike Holmgren said on Wednesday, "It's an interesting time. Organizations have to be very careful on how you do things. You can't do anything you haven't done in the past. The fact Pat Shurmur is new ... Colt and some players have come in. We can give him a playbook, have him study it, but you can't have meetings. You have all this stuff going on, so at the very least you've got to be able to give him [a playbook]." Apparently, not so.
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That was with the union agreement which is now null and void. It had nothing to do with the lockout. It had to do with a negotiated agreement between the union and the NFL that players got some time off, (typically this time of year), where they could not be required to do any work for/with the team. That all went out the window when the union decertified. Now, during the lockout, the coaches and players are not allowed to communicate but there's no longer anything to say Colt can't have a playbook. Or at least that's the way I'm understanding it. But then I've been known to be wrong before. Even if I won't admit it. 
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I just kept hearing/reading all of this stuff about how the team couldn't have any contact, nor could they supply playbooks or other materials to players, or the team would risk losing draft picks ...... and now the team can do what they were just specifically forbidden to do ......
I hope that your interpretation is right ...... because this worries me a lot.
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Pandora's box was already open when the warning came down. So no he is not permitted to have a playbook, but it's not like they can erase it from his memory or notes
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I just kept hearing/reading all of this stuff about how the team couldn't have any contact, nor could they supply playbooks or other materials to players, or the team would risk losing draft picks ...... and now the team can do what they were just specifically forbidden to do ......
I hope that your interpretation is right ...... because this worries me a lot.
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My understanding was that he wasn't allowed to meet with coaches or get a playbook before the start of the NFL year. It was prohibited by the most recent CBA.
After that he would not have been allowed to meet with the coaches or get a playbook because of a lockout (or whatever they are calling it).
What has changed was the 7 day extension. Since the most recent CBA was extended past the start of the new NFL year the teams had that time frame to meet with players and give them playbooks during that time period.
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Wow, this whole mess is like a game of telephone. Someone just let me know when it's over . . .
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I just kept hearing/reading all of this stuff about how the team couldn't have any contact, nor could they supply playbooks or other materials to players, or the team would risk losing draft picks ...... and now the team can do what they were just specifically forbidden to do ......
I hope that your interpretation is right ...... because this worries me a lot.
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Not when the loss of a draft pick has been mentioned.
Hopefully the new league year makes the difference. That wasn't the way it sounded in the articles I have seen though.
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Apparently I was mistaken and it sounds like Jester has the scoop on it.
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Who cares that mccoy has a playbook,just be happy hes learning the plays and the nfl isnt making a big deal about it .Maybe they feel bad for the browns and are trying to give them a advantage for once lol 
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No scoop. To be clear, I don't have any insider information nor have I read any articles regarding the topic. I am just putting 2 and 2 together. Seems to me to be the most logical explanation.
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All I meant by "scoop" is that you sounded like you had the most accurate take on the matter.
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That is what I thought you meant but I didn't want others to infer more to it. I actually meant to throw that disclaimer into the original post but got distracted and left it out.
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I just kept hearing/reading all of this stuff about how the team couldn't have any contact, nor could they supply playbooks or other materials to players, or the team would risk losing draft picks ...... and now the team can do what they were just specifically forbidden to do ......
I hope that your interpretation is right ...... because this worries me a lot.
I'm as confused as u r...This BS is insane...
I HOPE McCoy DOES have the playbook...Cause I guarantee ya' he's deep into it every waking moment...Love this kids work ethic...
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he probably has some folders with different plays in them...and some random sheets of paper, and a few .pdf's but no actual "book"
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I just kept hearing/reading all of this stuff about how the team couldn't have any contact, nor could they supply playbooks or other materials to players, or the team would risk losing draft picks ...... and now the team can do what they were just specifically forbidden to do ......
I hope that your interpretation is right ...... because this worries me a lot.
I'm as confused as u r...This BS is insane...
I HOPE McCoy DOES have the playbook...Cause I guarantee ya' he's deep into it every waking moment...Love this kids work ethic...
My hope is that Colt is the Leader that all of us are hoping he is. Haven't heard a word yet, but I'd like to hear that he's gotten his Offensive teammates together for some work.
I know that's gotta be tough cause in the off season, these guys scatter to the four winds, but to hear that he's working with his receivers and backs,, that would be good...
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I'm curious to here anything on this too.
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I'm curious to here anything on this too.
Some of the talking heads on Radio and TV around here have mentioned it, I've not heard a word if it's taking place...
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I'd love it is McCoy "accidently" got his hands on some plays that look something like next year's play ....... and got his teammates together for a little informal "pick up" football ....... and someone on the defense had something that looks something like next year's defensive plays ......
But then again, we have union reps and such, and someone would probably throw the team under the bus for the sake of the (now) non-existent (supposedly) union.
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I'd love it is McCoy "accidently" got his hands on some plays that look something like next year's play ....... and got his teammates together for a little informal "pick up" football ....... and someone on the defense had something that looks something like next year's defensive plays ......
But then again, we have union reps and such, and someone would probably throw the team under the bus for the sale of the (now) non-existent (supposedly) union.
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"I think he has the attributes that will make him a good quarterback in any system, especially our system," Shurmur said. "First and foremost is decision-making. If you have a guy that's a bad decision-maker, he'll always break your heart.
This quote says it all. Why Couch Stunk, why Anderson stinks and why Colt has a chance. he is accurate and makes good decisions. Just give him time and a RT.
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My take on it was that McCoy went to meet Shurmur and they gave him a playbook. He then was quoted in the media of having it. Then the league came out and said that meetings and getting playbooks was off limits.
I think they didn't know at the time that it would be a problem, and as long as he and Shurmur weren't meeting no harm no foul. But the story came out after he had it, what was supposed to happen, would he have to give it back? That would be hard considering that that could be considered a meeting.
I like that they pulled it off, and feel that with Holmgren at the helm, his clout made it disappear. I think they actually knew what they were doing when they gave it to him, and love that they thought ahead to get it to him.Somebody was doing some planning ahead if you ask me.
If I was to make a guess, it is probably a basic breakdown of the plays, and something Colt could use to work with the receivers and backs, and perhaps even some linemen. I wouldn't doubt if Colt emailed it to every offensive player who wanted it. The kids a leader, and it would surprise me at all if he is in close contact with many of them.
These guys are eager and ready to succeed. Even if there is a lockout, I would put money on the players still doing as much as they can to prepare for when the season resumes. They are plenty aware that the ones who keep up their training and still try to work together, will have the advantage when the time comes.
If there were going to be repercussions from this, I would believe they would have already been brought to the forefront. Plus, this is a union rule, to keep teams from not giving players any complete time off, seeing that most teams have turned into 365 day a year training teams. I think it was basically to keep them from burning out. Colt is part of that union, and I doubt that considering the circumstances anyone will complain, except the league, and that is where having a tenured guy like Holmgren at the top is beneficial.
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the more devilish among us might even suggest that they purposefully leaked it to the press so that other teams wouldn't be able to follow suit (or risk more by doing it at least)
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Good point, and one I would love to find out as true. We do have a good FO, even though many still don't like them. But guys like Holmgren hold a lot of clout, and that can work in the Browns favor. If it was done purposely, I would bank on it being Holmgren's call, as even in his presser afterwards, he still claimed they had the right to give him a playbook.
The best sign, is that it has not been mentioned since.
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