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I heard this on the radio driving home. One second it sounds like it could work, but then the next 59 seconds after that it sounds like a nightmare in the making . . .
He's 34, but such a gifted freak of nature. But we've all seen what he's like when he stops caring . . .
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I'd take him for no money. Make him earn his keep.
He is basically locker room cancer and not a good teammate. If Bill Belichick couldn't keep him reigned in, nobody can.
"Perhaps" he sees something about to happen here,...perhaps he knows since there ain't gonna be a season, might as well just go screw off somewhere.
Forget it.
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definitely tempting.. but i'll say no thanks... the guy can be a cancer at ANY moment for ANY reason he thinks of.
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I heard this on the radio driving home. One second it sounds like it could work, but then the next 59 seconds after that it sounds like a nightmare in the making . . .
He's 34, but such a gifted freak of nature. But we've all seen what he's like when he stops caring . . .
And until we re-stock the right side of the offensive line, it wouldn't be long before he has an excuse to stop.
We don't have an offense built yet where McCoy can throw to (some call) "bad" receivers, let alone a good (aging) one,...
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Our offensive line, overall, is al least as good as the Steelers line (and might be better) ...... and they went to the Super Bowl. Somehow Roethlisberger still managed to hit Wallace for 20+ yards/catch.
Good teams manage to work around their weakneses, rather than making excuses for them.
We need to start making things work on the field, period.
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While I respect your opinion on the matter, we can say all day long that the O-Line is as good as the Steelers'. That don't get it. Our O-line is a sore spot. Until it is fixed, I will continue to clamor about it. The Steeler "D" and Ben's solid play cover as much for their "bad" line as our team plays 5-11 ball with the one "that is just as good." In the next couple of years, I would rather argue that all of those things came together at the same time.  And we won't really know what contributed more to the other. But on Randy ? Forget it. I'll go ahead and take my heart attack on Green at # 6 while passing on Patrick Peterson before I bring Moss to Berea.
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It amazes me how a article on moss wanting to be a brown. Turns in to a discussion on the browns line . You guys the browns line is not that bad and sometime i wonder if its not one of the best in the league the line should be the least of our worries at this point
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Then you're missing the point of the discussion taking a slight sideturn,....it is more important to fix the line than it is to bring in Randy Moss.
So, let's go ahead and bring in Randy Moss. Assuming all other factors remain exactly the same, do The Cleveland Browns instantly become better than a 5-11 team ?
That's the point,...there are bigger fish to fry. Take your pick. We don't even know if we have a decent Head Coach yet.
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While I respect your opinion on the matter, we can say all day long that the O-Line is as good as the Steelers'. That don't get it. Our O-line is a sore spot. Until it is fixed, I will continue to clamor about it.
We have one of the best (the best?) LT in football, as well as a very good LG and a good center. When Yates was healthy we were mauling folks with that OL.
OL isn't the sore spot you make it seem. Mccoy and jake holding on to the ball too long make it look worse then it is.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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You must have missed my point to because i didnt say i was all in favor of bringing in moss.Would moss help probably, would moss be a cancer probably so its a 50/50 shot with him.Now you said ourline needed fixing i said our line was probably one of the best in the a.f.c thats where we disagree. 
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While I respect your opinion on the matter, we can say all day long that the O-Line is as good as the Steelers'. That don't get it. Our O-line is a sore spot. Until it is fixed, I will continue to clamor about it.
We have one of the best (the best?) LT in football, as well as a very good LG and a good center. When Yates was healthy we were mauling folks with that OL.
OL isn't the sore spot you make it seem. Mccoy and jake holding on to the ball too long make it look worse then it is.
What Mccoy dosent hang on to the ball two long what team were you watchin and even if he did on some plays its because our receivers cant get seperation quick enough dont blame the qbs
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Moss can be a vertical threat on the field.
But for how long?
IMO, we're getting a young base of players. I want guys on this team who are going to be here for a while.
A guy like Moss works for a while in NE because they already had that base, and they just needed that piece.
Here, we have enough holes that I'd rather spend our money/effort somewhere else.
When we get to the point that we just need a piece here or a piece there, then we bring in a guy like Moss.
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I have no problem with folks thinking we have a great O-Line,...I like to believe it is good/adequate. Good enough to be 5-11. I would like to see it improved. That would go a LONG way to making the team better. Everywhere, in every phase of the game.
Randy Moss is not gonna fix that.
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What Mccoy dosent hang on to the ball two long what team were you watchin and even if he did on some plays its because our receivers cant get seperation quick enough dont blame the qbs
What I'm saying is you can't blame the OL for a QB who holds the ball too long, no OL can hold protection forever. The OL is one of the few units on this team that is good.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Sign him for the minimum and draft Green.
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There is no CBA,...half the minimum.
Hell,....$65,000
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An incentive laden contract where he would get no money if cut would be fine. Nothing more.
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I'm shocked that he has interest in the Browns.
I also couldn't say no fast enough. We're trying to build a team here, not destroy it.
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No to Moss and the right side of the OL needs to be fixed. There. Now we can move on to draft talking. I can't believe how disinterested in the draft I've become this year due to this stupid CBA crap.
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I've taken the opposite stance.
Only focus on the draft to help ignore the CBA. (Although avoiding it 100% is nearly impossible.)
My view on the CBA, I know people really want to hear it, is; tell me when/if there will be football. That's all.
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Not to sidetrack the thread, but 1 comment. This is just nuts. This should be one of my big times of the year. From March on thru April I have a stack of draft mags strategically located in my business office next to the toilet paper and I read the damn things every day.
I havent even bought one mag yet. There is a draft (or so I hear) but there ain't no football. That just sucks.
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I always liked Randy Moss more than some of his counterparts like Terrelle Owens, or Chad Johnson ( in the early years) Randy is an easy guy to root for. ( that's my opinion)
I know I've taken the stance of NO Free agents who aren't Browns who are over the age of 27, but the advantages Randy Moss can bring to an offense are at least intriguing.
It doesn't matter anyway, because I'm beginning to think they will scrap most of, or almost all of, or the entire 2011 season. It could be a good thing, if the changes are for the better.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Heckert said he'd not think twice about drafting a young kid that had questions marks on Character if after interviews, he seemed like a good kid that may have made a bad judgement call, but that he would not be interested in veterans with character issues? I'm paraphrasing of course.
Wouldn't Moss fall in to the latter catagory?
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Kidding me? Poison in the waterhole: A little is too much. Last thing we need is a little more log to carry. Not interested unless he signs a distraction/disruption/ self-destruction clause to cut him. I want a decent vet with some tread left; not this. "Body of work" comes to mind. Pass. 
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Sorry guys, I don't see this as shocking. I see it as him saying either A) those are the two most ridiculous options or B) here are two teams that have no wide receivers. Quote:
He also said he'd love to return to the Vikings and seemed to randomly add he would play for the Cleveland Browns or Seattle Seahawks if they wanted him.
"Wherever it is, I just want somebody to respect what I do," Moss said. "The loyalty that I believe in, man, I think that teams that I play for ... I just like loyalty, and I want that around me. Whoever wants me, that's where I'm going to play at."
I think it was just poorly phrased by the "journalist." Sounds like it went like this:
"I want to play for the Patriots, but I'd also love to play for the Vikings again now that Chilly is gone. Heck, I'd play for the Browns or Seahawks, just as long as it's somewhere I'm wanted."
Non-story to me.
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It's like it is with any of these over-the-hiller's,...you want their younger day talent, but not their "young" attitudes. Then they get old and realize they screwed it up, and now can't get a job thereby, because you don't think you can trust him in the locker room.
Randy is done. Go somewhere else.
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And just to point something out, Moss doesn't want to play for the Browns any more than he wants to play for the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, or Panthers. He wants to play for the Pats. If the Pats don't want him back, he'll play for anyone. He wants to keep playing the game. Here's the quote: "I want to play football, if it is the Cleveland Browns, the Seattle Seahawks, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots — wherever it is I just want someone to respect what I do and the loyalty that I believe in,” Moss said. “Whoever wants me I guess is where I am going to play." LINK
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And just to point something out, Moss doesn't want to play for the Browns any more than he wants to play for the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, or Panthers. He wants to play for the Pats. If the Pats don't want him back, he'll play for anyone. He wants to keep playing the game.
Here's the quote: "I want to play football, if it is the Cleveland Browns, the Seattle Seahawks, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots — wherever it is I just want someone to respect what I do and the loyalty that I believe in,” Moss said. “Whoever wants me I guess is where I am going to play."
That's how I saw it too. More of a cut on the Browns, as in, "I want to play football so much, I don't care if it's the Cleveland Browns."
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I didn't see it as a cut against us, just listing us as one of the teams off the top of his head. "if it's not the Pats, I'll play for anyone because I enjoy the game." 
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he is going to be 34 yrs old, and last season he had a comparable year to Robiskie:
2010 Randy 28rec 393yds 5tds
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And just to point something out, Moss doesn't want to play for the Browns any more than he wants to play for the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, or Panthers. He wants to play for the Pats. If the Pats don't want him back, he'll play for anyone. He wants to keep playing the game.
Here's the quote: "I want to play football, if it is the Cleveland Browns, the Seattle Seahawks, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots — wherever it is I just want someone to respect what I do and the loyalty that I believe in,” Moss said. “Whoever wants me I guess is where I am going to play."
That's how I saw it too. More of a cut on the Browns, as in, "I want to play football so much, I don't care if it's the Cleveland Browns."
Exactly.
He has no sincere desire to play here specifically, he simply wants to play and we are being used as the example of "I don't care where". I don't know that I'd call it a dig at us, but it sure isn't a compliment.
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Then you're missing the point of the discussion taking a slight sideturn,....it is more important to fix the line than it is to bring in Randy Moss.
So if Moss is healthy and we bring in Moss, then maybe we don't have to take AJ Green and we can take DT in the first round.. maybe that allows us to take a RT in the second round instead of targeting a DT.. so by taking Moss, we have given ourselves the opportunity to improve both the WR position and to improve the OL, then we can target a WR in the draft next year...
that said, there is only one way to read the article and that is, "I'm so desperate I'd play for the Browns"... it's not a "I'd really love to play for the Browns instead of the Steelers, Colts and Falcons"...
But I do not see how picking up Moss, if the contract was reasonable, prevents us from improving other areas...
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This ^^ is why I visit here. I learn different ways to look at things. My simplicity was just based on either/or. I would have no problem -- other than controlling "potential" character issues (just because we picked him up doesn't mean there would be) -- giving him a shot if we knew for a fact that Lauvao and Pashos were ready to go. Then we could 'waste'  that second round pick on something else, like you pointed out --- that we truly need. If, and, or buts, is a crapshoot. We might not even have any football,....  But, as always, I appreciate and respect the point of view.
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I just think you go get talent when you can and talent always finds a way to help you win. I'm not even saying that about Moss because I know he has been a problem to other teams in the past so I might be reluctant.. I know we want good young draft talent at every position to but it doesn't work that way, if we can get a good vet to hold a spot for a couple years so that isn't as much of a priority.. then go do it... Of course all of this is predicated on the money being right...
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I always liked Randy Moss more than some of his counterparts like Terrelle Owens, or Chad Johnson ( in the early years) Randy is an easy guy to root for. ( that's my opinion)
I know I've taken the stance of NO Free agents who aren't Browns who are over the age of 27, but the advantages Randy Moss can bring to an offense are at least intriguing.
It doesn't matter anyway, because I'm beginning to think they will scrap most of, or almost all of, or the entire 2011 season. It could be a good thing, if the changes are for the better.
2011 is shot to hell for the Browns, even if they play. This is a rebuild year, so I say draft Green and sign Moss and let Green, Robo and Mo-Mass learn how to play the game from one of the best. Moss knows he can't survive another meltdown. And if he tows the line you keep him around as a weapon for McCoy and a teaching tool for the youngsters. If he shows the slightest hint of strife in the locker room, he's booted immediately, and stands as a prime example that the new regime is willing to give second chances, but will brook no nonsense. I am not normally a proponent of character issue player experiments, but I believe IMHO that this would be a winning situation all the way around. We need weapons, and the youngsters could benefit greatly by learning from one of the leagues top wide-outs.
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I just think you go get talent when you can and talent always finds a way to help you win. I'm not even saying that about Moss because I know he has been a problem to other teams in the past so I might be reluctant.. I know we want good young draft talent at every position to but it doesn't work that way, if we can get a good vet to hold a spot for a couple years so that isn't as much of a priority.. then go do it...
Of course all of this is predicated on the money being right...
Well,...I really liked the angle you came up with,....Money would be an issue. I just don't trust Moss.
Freeing up the draft spot so that RT gets landed was pretty brilliant though,....
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I became acquainted with Moss back in '96 or '97. He was a bucket head then and I cannot imagine he's improved any with age. Don't get me wrong, he was a nice enough guy to be around but you could always tell there was something eating at him just below the surface. I always wondered how a guy who had such an obvious God-given talent could be so miserable in his own skin. That's how he struck me then. If I were Holmgren there's no way I'd have anything to do with him as he's about to go over the hill.
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Think about if he had stuck to basketball,...
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