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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-pick-for-kolb/Report: One team willing to offer first-round pick for Kolb Posted by Gregg Rosenthal March 21, 2011, 10:54 AM EDT Even though the Eagles can’t actually trade Kevin Kolb anytime soon, they are busy creating a market for him. We have noted that Eagles coach Andy Reid and G.M. Howie Roseman have made it clear lately that Kolb is available. SI’s Peter King reports one team has already said they are willing to trade a first-round pick for him. “Now [Reid is] looking for a team with a higher choice in the round to make him a better deal,” King wrote in MMQB. That makes us wonder what mystery team is offering a first-round pick. We made the case a few weeks back that Seattle is the most logical fit for Kolb this offseason. They pick No. 25 overall. If the Eagles truly do have a first-round offer in hand and have the ability to trade Kolb before the draft, he’s as good as gone. For now, those are large ifs. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/21/eagles-sound-poised-to-trade-kevin-kolb/Eagles sound poised to make Kevin Kolb available Posted by Gregg Rosenthal March 21, 2011, 9:09 AM EDT When the NFL re-opens for business, it sure sounds like Eagles quarterback Kevin Kolb will be very available in a trade. We noted last week that coach Andy Reid was following the same script as 2010, when he remained coy about his plans for Donovan McNabb before essentially putting up a for sale sign at the owners meetings. Eagles G.M. Howie Roseman made it clear — like Reid did last week — that the team would entertain offers for Kolb. “Obviously, there’s a lot of interest in a player like Kevin Kolb,” Roseman said via Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer. Roseman followed much of the same script as Reid. They will look at anything to help their team. Then he even tried to sell Kolb a bit. “When you look at the history of quarterbacks getting drafted, you’re not looking at a group that’s a slam-dunk to begin with,” Roseman said. With Kolb on the other hand, “You’ve got a bird in the hand, in terms of a guy who’s played at a high level and played against top-level competition.” Trading Kolb makes sense. Andy Reid knows how to develop quarterbacks, so the team may as well get something for Kolb now before he leaves in 2012. Dealing him is a sign of a few things: 1) The Eagles expect to have Michael Vick for a long time. 2) The Eagles probably don’t love Kolb as much as they did a year ago. 3) The team is confident enough in Mike Kafka to envision him starting games in 2011 if and when Vick gets hurt.
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Not unexpected (Schaub got 2 2nd round picks with less starts). I agree that Seattle makes alot of sense. And, the 25th pick is probably the best the Eagles can do. The next team ahead of Seattle that could really use a QB is either JAX or Miami (at 16 and 15 respectively) and I doubt either team gives the Eagles that high of a pick for Kolb.
I would expect AZ, Cinci (if Carson is really gone), or Buffalo to be pushing their high 2nd round pick along with another pick (possibly another 2nd next year) for Kolb as well. Not sure which Philly would prefer (probably the 1st rounder).
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If this is true that might mean that the door would be open for Arizona or another veteran team like the Vikings to go after Matt Hasselbeck.
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Arizona flips 1st rounders with the Eagles and throws in a 2nd rounder?
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Interesting idea. What would the "mandatory exchange rate" be for a starter? Or is this get all you can kind of wild west trades now? 
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Assuming there is no CBA in place before the Draft. I would think that this trade would be for future picks/players.
Assuming that there is a Draft next year.
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Kolb is NOT a starter. Here is how I see Kolb(Cobb). Eagles trade Mcnabb and hand the keys the the car to Kolb who after some very forgetful starts gets yanked for Vick. he was HANDED the job and flubbed it. The eagles dump McNabb and keep Kolb as their "qB of the Future" and in ONE SEASON are moving on. Any anyone giving the eagles a top pick for that guy is on the level of the dope in Arizona that gave Derek Anderson a contract.
Today at Profootballtalk.com the BROWNS were mentioned as a team maybe willing to part with their top pick. SOS Stuck on Stupid is how I would rate that trade. Too Much time on your hand mike holmgren?
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Today at Profootballtalk.com the BROWNS were mentioned as a team maybe willing to part with their top pick. SOS Stuck on Stupid is how I would rate that trade. Too Much time on your hand mike holmgren?
Too much time on your hands, Joe? A team "maybe willing to part with their top pick." Does it have any quotes from Holmgren? Does it not look like speculation. They MAY be willing to put a dome on the stadium, but that doesn't mean anyone in the organization has ever mentioned it. Big reach from Pro Football talk. Bigger reach from you.
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Do it Daman...please do it.
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I think you are the one that is forgetful.
Kolb was not yanked for anyone due to performance. He was concussed by Clay Matthews in the very first game of the season. Vick came in and lit it up. It was a Tom Brady situation. You can't bench a guy who was on fire like Vick was. Vick then got hurt and Kolb played four whole games in a row. He played superb two of those games and was very average the other two.
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Today at Profootballtalk.com the BROWNS were mentioned as a team maybe willing to part with their top pick.
We will always be mentioned when there are players from the Eagles available. Especially players that Heckert drafted while the GM. And now we run the same system as the Eagles.
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We will always be mentioned when there are players from the Eagles available. Especially players that Heckert drafted while the GM. And now we run the same system as the Eagles.
We are also likely to be mentioned any time a QB of any fame becomes available because for 12 years we have been unstable at that position.. just because many of us have faith in McCoy doesn't mean the national media is going to get that until he goes out and proves something.
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I was going to, but like you said, CB beat me too it 
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this is a browns site is it not. profootballtalk seems to break stories faster than others and i like the "leaks" they often have. too much time on your hands where you feel the need to criticize, bubba? it is a good site.
besides I think as much of cobb as well do an organizarion that labels him the future and decides after 4 starts they have seen enough and now turn to Vick.
Maybe they get the vikings to bite.
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before he was concussed he was pretty easy to pass for vick, whom was lighting it up. using the tom Brady analogy you make my point for me as the former starter( Bledsoe) had hit his ceiling and Brady was lighting it up. Kolb was lighting nothing up. had not the injury happened the hook may have been inevitable.
Kolb has shown very little: even due to injury the eagle brass decided quickly to move on: anyone that gives a #1 must be a gm in arizona.
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It could also be that in a salary capped year (if a new cba is reached it is supposed to be capped) they don't want to pay Kolb $1.4 million to be the backup while paying Vick $16 mil ... ?
I think it's more so that they know if they don't commit to Kolb and pay him the long term money, he is gone after this season. Why not get a 1st rounder out of him? Especially if you trade him to an NFC West team like Arizona, San Fran or Seattle, that could be a top 10 to 15 pick next year...
Sounds like a great deal to me for Philly.
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before he was concussed he was pretty easy to pass for vick, whom was lighting it up.
He got hurt halfway through the first game of the season.
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using the tom Brady analogy you make my point for me as the former starter( Bledsoe) had hit his ceiling and Brady was lighting it up.
Bledsoe was a 30-year-old QB who had been starting for eight seasons. We knew what he was (or wasn't). Kolb is a 27-year-old QB who has started seven games in his career. We know that he is at least an average QB with an upside for more.
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Like I said, Kolb got hurt in the first half of the first game of the season. Against the best defense in the league. And then had two very good games when Vick was hurt.
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The Eagles traded their franchise QB to give Kolb a shot. Not Michael Vick. And even after Kolb was injured the Eagles still called Kolb the starter. Only after two mind-blowing games did the Eagles name Vick the starter.
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I admit Kolb hasn't proven that much. But he has proven that he can at least be a league average starting QB. If you are the Seahawks, Cardinals, Vikings, or 49ers and are a QB away from making the playoffs you give up the #1. Especially when there is no slam dunk QB in the draft.
Kolb hasn't shown a ton, but what he has shown is much better than the unknown options that are the QB's in this upcoming draft.
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too much time on your hands where you feel the need to criticize, bubba?
Just calling it as I see it. Thin skin, huh? And "Bubba"? Really?
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 but, bringing facts to a debate? is that allowed?
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don't you just hate it when that happens 
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a number one and the eagles are fishing for more for a guy they gave up on in five games. Sounds like a great move to me Bubba.
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So Joe, by your argument you are saying that if the Patriots would have decided to trade Tom Brady after he got hurt a couple years ago because they decided they could maximize his value ... maybe get a first or a pair of firsts out of him and move on with Cassel as their starter ... all of a sudden he's a bum?
Or when the packers traded Brett Favre because they wanted to play Aaron Rodgers ... Favre was a bum and wouldn't lead his team to within a game of the playoffs and then the next year within a game of the superbowl?
I think you are overreacting. Some team might trust Kolb more than they trust a Derek Anderson, a Joe Webb, or a Charlie Whitehurst or Alex Smith ... and if they trust what they have seen from Kolb more than they trust Gabbert or Cam Newton they will pull the trigger on him. I highly doubt that the Browns would go after him ... but even if they did I'm sure that Tom Heckert knows more about Kolb than you, I, or profootballtalk.com does.
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That tells you that they trust Vick more than Kolb. As it would be nice for the Eagles to have a second QB. Just in case Vick went down. Like last year. But it is easier said than done, to trade someone. Or try to.
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Either that or they know they could have Vick for a while, meanwhile Kolb only has 1 year left on his contract. So if he is going to leave a year from now why not get a 1st rounder and maybe more than let him walk for free?
Vick is only 30 years old ... and it's not a true 30 because he was out of the league for 2 years and barely played last year (he only had 13 pass attempts and 24 rush attempts in 29) ... It's not a "true" number, but he has the same tread on his tires as the typical 27 year old and not the 30 year old. PS .. Kevin Kolb is already 26 ... and will be 27 when the season starts.
Makes sense to me to maximize value the way that we should have traded Brady Quinn OR Derek Anderson when they both had value and move forward with one of them plus picks instead of seeing them get away for almost nothing.
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Trading for average is something I hope the Browns do NOT choose. The eagles have given up on Kolb
no matter the conjecture for the reason( money would not be an issue IF he were THE GUY).
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So Joe, by your argument you are saying that if the Patriots would have decided to trade Tom Brady after he got hurt a couple years ago because they decided they could maximize his value ... maybe get a first or a pair of firsts out of him and move on with Cassel as their starter ... all of a sudden he's a bum?
Or when the packers traded Brett Favre because they wanted to play Aaron Rodgers ... Favre was a bum and wouldn't lead his team to within a game of the playoffs and then the next year within a game of the superbowl?
I think you are overreacting. Some team might trust Kolb more than they trust a Derek Anderson, a Joe Webb, or a Charlie Whitehurst or Alex Smith ... and if they trust what they have seen from Kolb more than they trust Gabbert or Cam Newton they will pull the trigger on him. I highly doubt that the Browns would go after him ... but even if they did I'm sure that Tom Heckert knows more about Kolb than you, I, or profootballtalk.com does.
Don't prop up your own straw dog analogy and post it as mine. Tom Brady has consistently shown his excellence, if he got hurt or not he could not be a bum so that is YOUR straw man.
And the packers NEVER traded Farve he retired. I have no idea where your ideas come from. Farve has had a long history of superlative play. In fact years ago when he was traded from the falcons by gm Taylor smith ( the owners half whit son) Smith was crowing the superlative of Chris Miller the falcon QB. I called in
and remarked they traded the wrong QB. Smith said Miller was one of the top 5 QBs in the NFL. My politically incorrect response was that when you hit Farve he got up with fire in his belly, and when you hit Miller there was some Quit in him. You can't teach that. I was cut off. So yeah I pat myself on the back.
I also add that I hope some team would trust the motley list of QBs you mentioned whom the Eagles if they were attempting to trade any of those names would be lucky to get a 5th rd pick. No the eagles want a #1 and possibly a 2 as well mentioned at profootballtalk.com. While just a rumor the fact is the dumped McNabb and handed the job to Kolb who got hurt quickly and the Eagles determined he was NOT their Franchise QB. I thought the cards hysterically delusional and did almost no due diligence to get derek Anderson and hand the season over to that guy. That GM should have been fired.
Qb is the engine of a team and the eagles say Kolb is NOT their guy and did so rather definitively. He had shown very little when he was given the job on a silver platter. Now he is being shown the door and to expect any GM to delude themselves to give a #1 or a #2 for a guy with so thin a recipe ....Heckert drafted Kolb, I hope he does not double down on stupid for the Cleveland Browns and give a high pick for this guy.
in the little mcCoy has been on the field I have seen leadership and accuracy and that is worth investing in.
Yet I was mad we traded Quinn so sometimes my crystal ball is cloudy and I called Hillis a ham sandwich. I was delighted to have been so 100% wrong and see the browns land an exceptional player with fantastic character and work ethic. And i saw Quinn in pre season vs Cinci and he looked as bad as Couch on the Packers. I think he is on a razors edge to be CUT.
I just hope the eagles are allowed to pull a fast one on another team and not my browns because heckert
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Not sure you are getting my point. Oh well, I just didn't present my case well enough for you to understand I suppose. Here's the article stating the Jets traded for Favre ... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3522971As far as your reliance on profootballtalk.com...? It is what it is, but the Eagles saw that they had a surplus of talent at the QB position and got a 2nd rounder for McNabb. The falcons got 2 2nds rounders for an unproven Schaub. The chiefs traded for Cassel and it was for the 34th pick overall. Does Kolb get moved for a first? No idea. He could, he might not. You say that "QB is the engine of the team." So why wouldn't a team be willing to spend a high pick to get a qb? It's 2-way logic. You also say "the Eagles say Kolb is NOT their guy..." they also said last year that they wouldn't trade McNabb. AND they also said Kolb WAS their guy ... then annointed Vick a week later. Kolb might have shown "very little" at the NFL level in your eyes ... but that is more or less (with all due respect) a worthless opinion. A team isn't going to ask you what you think of Kolb, they are going to look at the tape and wonder if he is the right guy. I just don't get where you come off making these crazy assertions. How can you say you have seen nothing from kolb but are already set on mccoy? In the same spot time chances (despite mccoy being a rookie) Player A. 60.8 % completion, 11 TDs, 14 Ints. 7 Fumbles. 73.2 Rating 1 rushing TD as well. Player B. 60.8% completion, 6 TDs, 9 Ints, 1 fumble. 74.5 Rating. 1 rushing TD as well ... You really think that one of these guys is the annointed while the other isn't worth a first round pick? I doubt anyone on this board knows as much about Kolb and also McCoy as Heckert does. I don't want Kolb, but if we actually did trade for him then I'm sure we know what we are getting ourselves into. If we keep complaining about how bad our GM is though because a story on profootballtalk.com SUGGESTED the Browns MIGHT be one of MANY teams to even INQUIRE about Kolb ... that to me sounds like we are SOS - Stuck on Stupid 
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And the packers NEVER traded Farve he retired. I have no idea where your ideas come from.
Huh? They didn't? So they didn't trade Brett Favre to the Jets.
(Also, it amazes me that people still spell Favre's name wrong after all the press he's gotten.)
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The Cardinals didn't want Anderson to start. They wanted Leinart to start (which might be just as delusional). Also, they wanted to sign Bulger, but the Rams waited to release him so that the Cardinals couldn't get him.
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Once again, this is more have about how good Vick is and not how bad Kolb is. Also, as I have said in previous posts, Kolb was hurt halfway through the first game of the season. Hardly enough time to judge if he was the guy or not.
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I don't care how much press he's gotten, I can absolutely understand why people spell his name wrong.
Sorry, no where in the english language do you pronounce one consonant before another..........I don't care if that's how it's been spelled and spoken for the last 100 years.
I CAN see how people spell his name wrong.
Favre. Pronounced Farve. I see no problem with people spelling it wrong. Kinda like if your last name is Smith, but you want people to say it as "Thims".
That may be how you say it - but that doesn't mean people saying "Smith" are wrong.
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I think it's French, and should be pronounced Fav-Ray. I read somewhere that Favre has explained that his family has long pronounced it Farve, as a result of his family heritage. He doesn't talk much like a Frenchman. 
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I know it's "farve", spelled "Favre". I don't care if he Jesus - you don't just change consonants and expect the whole world - or America, to get it right.
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I'm not arguing that the way he spells his name isn't stupid. I'm saying how could you not spell something correctly after seeing it 4,000,000,000 times.
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Not sure you are getting my point. Oh well, I just didn't present my case well enough for you to understand I suppose.
Here's the article stating the Jets traded for Favre ... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3522971
As far as your reliance on profootballtalk.com...? It is what it is, but the Eagles saw that they had a surplus of talent at the QB position and got a 2nd rounder for McNabb. The falcons got 2 2nds rounders for an unproven Schaub. The chiefs traded for Cassel and it was for the 34th pick overall.
Does Kolb get moved for a first? No idea. He could, he might not. You say that "QB is the engine of the team." So why wouldn't a team be willing to spend a high pick to get a qb? It's 2-way logic.
Yes for a GOOD ENGINE that is a fine pick. your examples..the falcons regretted trading Schabb fast as vick imloded. For the Pats, they had brady and a #2 was a great pick and cassel has done a pretty good job. You must not understand i am saying that a #1 for kolb is pretty insane. We will see who bites. just hope it is not us.
You also say "the Eagles say Kolb is NOT their guy..." they also said last year that they wouldn't trade McNabb. AND they also said Kolb WAS their guy ... then annointed Vick a week later. Kolb might have shown "very little" at the NFL level in your eyes ... but that is more or less (with all due respect) a worthless opinion. A team isn't going to ask you what you think of Kolb, they are going to look at the tape and wonder if he is the right guy.
yes in my worthless opinion I thought the cards were insane to have signed derek Anderson. Yet I thought that trading McNabb in division was not smart, yet The eagles did alright and the Redskins got the short end. If someone looks at the tape and thinks Kolb is their guy so be it, it is my worthless opinion he is not given he went from "the franchise" to palookaville in a hurry as vick was the new "guy".
I just don't get where you come off making these crazy assertions. How can you say you have seen nothing from kolb but are already set on mccoy?
I am not set on McCoy, those are your words and your straw dog to beat. I like what I have seen from mcCoy so far as accuracy , will he be the guy, way to early to tell yet his debut was the steelers, Patriots and saints..pretty tough audition.
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Player A. 60.8 % completion, 11 TDs, 14 Ints. 7 Fumbles. 73.2 Rating 1 rushing TD as well.
Player B. 60.8% completion, 6 TDs, 9 Ints, 1 fumble. 74.5 Rating. 1 rushing TD as well ...
You really think that one of these guys is the annointed while the other isn't worth a first round pick?
Again your word "anointed" not mine. Nice early returns.
I doubt anyone on this board knows as much about Kolb and also McCoy as Heckert does. I don't want Kolb, but if we actually did trade for him then I'm sure we know what we are getting ourselves into. If we keep complaining about how bad our GM is though because a story on profootballtalk.com SUGGESTED the Browns MIGHT be one of MANY teams to even INQUIRE about Kolb ... that to me sounds like we are SOS - Stuck on Stupid
We finally agree, heckert drafted and knows kolb, in your own statistics they are equal. You have stated my case for me as if they are equal why make the trade. That the site profootball talk.com suggests we are interested I opined i hope not, by your own stats it would be a sideways trade and make no sense. Thanks for the assist yet i am sure it was unintentional. I find it amusing the need for some to childishly snipe at those who disagree, We can agree to disagree. 
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Yes for a GOOD ENGINE that is a fine pick. your examples..the falcons regretted trading Schabb fast as vick imloded. For the Pats, they had brady and a #2 was a great pick and cassel has done a pretty good job. You must not understand i am saying that a #1 for kolb is pretty insane. We will see who bites. just hope it is not us.
I'm unsure at this point if you are saying it's bad for the eagles or it's bad for the other team. You say that Atlanta regretted their trade, then say the #2 was a great pick... so I take it you like the idea as long as it isn't too high?
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yes in my worthless opinion I thought the cards were insane to have signed derek Anderson. Yet I thought that trading McNabb in division was not smart, yet The eagles did alright and the Redskins got the short end. If someone looks at the tape and thinks Kolb is their guy so be it, it is my worthless opinion he is not given he went from "the franchise" to palookaville in a hurry as vick was the new "guy".
As others have said, it's not a clear indicator of Kolb's LACK of talent as much as it is an indicator of Vick's high level of play. If theoretically Vick was playing like a top 3 quarterback at least early in the season ... it doesn't matter if Kolb was the 4th best or the 34th best ... you still play the better guy. So, just because someone isn't the best, it doesn't mean that they aren't good.
On the pro bowl you have Brady and Manning on the same team every year. If the coach puts one of the guys in, it doesn't imply that the other is a bum. It just means they want to go in a different direction.
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I am not set on McCoy, those are your words and your straw dog to beat. I like what I have seen from mcCoy so far as accuracy , will he be the guy, way to early to tell yet his debut was the steelers, Patriots and saints..pretty tough audition.
Fair enough. While I dont know agree with how you imply constant straw dogs, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. I was simply showing that Kolb and McCoy are both similar players with a lot of potential but neither is proven. I suppose I was wondering how you could say Kolb was replaced by a great QB in Vick, yet McCoy came in and took over for an injured Delhomme/Wallace ... but both were more or less incomplete when it comes to full grades this season.
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We finally agree, heckert drafted and knows kolb, in your own statistics they are equal. You have stated my case for me as if they are equal why make the trade. That the site profootball talk.com suggests we are interested I opined i hope not, by your own stats it would be a sideways trade and make no sense. Thanks for the assist yet i am sure it was unintentional. I find it amusing the need for some to childishly snipe at those who disagree, We can agree to disagree.
I doubt I really did anything to make your point. I never said it was "wrong" but I do think you reached for some ground. A 3rd party website reported a story that never even confirmed the Browns were actually interested. All it said was that we *could* be linked to an Eagle (which some have said on here will happen with ANY Eagles thanks to Heckert from now on). Then you came on here as if we had already traded the farm and shouted "SOS Stuck on Stupid" despite the real story having little if any tread. Then you tried to demean Kolb without using any facts but only by saying "what you saw." However you also said you liked what you saw out of McCoy. I then just tried to point out that in statistics, they are very much alike. You can take that to mean they are similar players I suppose, but I was trying to find out how you look at two very similar players - stats wise - and call one garbage and the other treasure?
Not catfighting as I never attack other people on here. ... I just wonder where people's opinions come from so I ask them.
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I'm not arguing that the way he spells his name isn't stupid. I'm saying how could you not spell something correctly after seeing it 4,000,000,000 times.
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I doubt I really did anything to make your point. I never said it was "wrong" but I do think you reached for some ground. A 3rd party website reported a story that never even confirmed the Browns were actually interested. All it said was that we *could* be linked to an Eagle (which some have said on here will happen with ANY Eagles thanks to Heckert from now on). Then you came on here as if we had already traded the farm and shouted "SOS Stuck on Stupid" despite the real story having little if any tread. Then you tried to demean Kolb without using any facts but only by saying "what you saw." However you also said you liked what you saw out of McCoy. I then just tried to point out that in statistics, they are very much alike. You can take that to mean they are similar players I suppose, but I was trying to find out how you look at two very similar players - stats wise - and call one garbage and the other treasure?
Not catfighting as I never attack other people on here. ... I just wonder where people's opinions come from
so I ask them.
again that is your straw man bubba< I just reported what the site said not ever saying that we were poised or ready to do anything so challenge your own description and don't tag me with it. My saying that you made my point for me was you took the time to cite Kolb vs mcCoy's stats about equal so i said thank you you made my point for me in that who wants to trade for a guy statistically no better than whom we have. again< I never called kolb garbage, my point was why go after a guy the eagles so quickly gave up on, and in your words are statistically equal. I juts like mccoy's pluck and accuracy.
Funny you can make the final statement as you NEVER asked what I meant but like a rabid dog smelling meat you attacked based on assumptions of what you believed I was saying; that again is quite the opposite from your statement. My arguments with you is only clarifying my statements in that if you want to squabble understand the difference between communication, which does require one to ASK first and not attacking a reconstituted point that bears only your opinions.
So actually if you decide to do what you say ask first for a clarification, there may be less friction.
IN conclusion, profootballtalk.com conjectures the browns MAY be one of the teams speaking with the Eagles, who MAY be asking for a #1 pick. The Eagles thought Kolb was their franchise QB until after one game he was hurt and mike Vick became the guy and the Eagles are open for trading and he is NOT their guy. I hoped we would not even consider that sideways path. You helped by showing McCoy and kolb are almost statistically equal yet...kolb has a FAR better set of WRS..so i may conjecture it is my opinion McCoy may be a better choice for the browns to say Pass( not the ball on Kolb as a QB.
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well you're the one using phrases like straw dog to cite my opinions ... so I'm not sure who is attacking who ...
anyway ... even after others said that Kolb was the starter until he was hurt .. you repeatedly said that we didn't want him cuz he was a bum and a loser. Then you say we are set on McCoy. All I was trying to do was compare the two and wonder how you can have such differing opinions on the two.
Other than that your entire premise was that we were going after a qb because ONE website had suggested we would ... it would be like if a Denver Bronco was on the trading block ... who else would know better about that guy then Shanahan in Washington? That's they only reason we were mentioned.
Im far from a rabid dog, by the way ... but thanks for the compliment?
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well you're the one using phrases like straw dog to cite my opinions ... so I'm not sure who is attacking who ...
anyway ... even after others said that Kolb was the starter until he was hurt .. you repeatedly said that we didn't want him cuz he was a bum and a loser. Then you say we are set on McCoy. All I was trying to do was compare the two and wonder how you can have such differing opinions on the two.
Other than that your entire premise was that we were going after a qb because ONE website had suggested we would ... it would be like if a Denver Bronco was on the trading block ... who else would know better about that guy then Shanahan in Washington? That's they only reason we were mentioned.
Im far from a rabid dog, by the way ... but thanks for the compliment?
Wow. I used the word Bum and Loser. I said we were set on mcCoy? where do you get this stuff. I never said we were going after anybody yet once again i stated the sight and reasons why i hoped we would not. no sense talking to you as you seem to repeat your lines and play them as mine.
I admit and am glad i missed on Hillis yet many here post with their dying breath not to be wrong and then put words in your mouth to posit their arguments. This is my last response on this since I am wasting both of our time.
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Wow. I used the word Bum and Loser. I said we were set on mcCoy? where do you get this stuff.
I really don't think I have lied at all. Earlier in the thread you called me out for saying that the Packers never traded Favre ... yet I gave you a link and proved you wrong. Other than that I have agreed with some of your views but am just trying to argue (once again) that just because one website speculated that we might be going after a guy... you call out holmgren and say stuck on stupid. Then you call my opinions "straw dog" and play the card that you are being attacked and saying we are in a catfight....
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no sense talking to you as you seem to repeat your lines and play them as mine.
Really? When did I misquote you?
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... yet many here post with their dying breath not to be wrong and then put words in your mouth to posit their arguments.
Once again .. please show where I misquoted you
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The post Tuesday March 22nd: Kolb is NOT a starter ...after some very forgetful starts gets yanked
He was 5 of 10 against green bay then knocked out. Came back in and played from weeks 4 through 7. 4 weeks = 6 touchdowns passing, 4 Ints, Had 1011 yards passing (not bad for 4 games ...) and also 92 of 143 for 64.3% completion percentage. He was playing well and they went 2 and 2 ... but they only averaged 22.50 points a game while giving up 23.75 in those 4 weeks.
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From the same post: "SOS Stuck on Stupid is how I would rate that trade. Too much time on your hand Mike Holmgren?"
As if you are suggesting that Holmgren is actually behind this.
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From March 24th: "before he was concussed he was pretty easy to pass for vick, whom was lighting it up. Kolb was lighting nothing up."
Kolb had played less than a full game when he was knocked out ... and vick was considered for the MVP early in the season. Meanwhile ... how can you say that Kolb was lighting nothing up? He was on pace for a 3,000 to 4,000 yard season with between 18 and 24 td's depending on how you want to project his stats. That's a different argument altogether though.
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From the Post on March 27th: Don't prop up your own straw dog analogy and post it as mine. Tom Brady has consistently shown his excellence, if he got hurt or not he could not be a bum so that is YOUR straw man.
Thanks for calling me out, but you never actually thought about what I was saying. I was using your logic ... not implying that you said that. Just trying to make a point but that one was obviously over your head.
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from later on that post: "And the packers NEVER traded Farve he retired. I have no idea where your ideas come from."
Care to rethink that? Or any other of your posts? You continue to yell at others, call them bubba, say their ideas are straw dog, yet I haven't seen you back anything up yet.
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From later on that post: "He had shown very little when he was given the job on a silver platter. Now he is being shown the door and to expect any GM to delude themselves to give a #1 or a #2 for a guy with so thin a recipe ....Heckert drafted Kolb, I hope he does not double down on stupid for the Cleveland Browns and give a high pick for this guy.
in the little mcCoy has been on the field I have seen leadership and accuracy and that is worth investing in"
So somehow in the same post you can say that Kolb has been shown the door, given up on, and how he has shown very little in his limited opportunities... but can then say that McCoy has great leadership and accuracy. How can you take the two guys that are very similar and suggest one is not a franchise quarterback but the other is worth investing in? Furthermore, why do you think that Heckert would be doubling down on Stupid if he traded for a guy that he actually knows about and has worked with before?
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from March 28th: "You must not understand i am saying that a #1 for kolb is pretty insane. We will see who bites. just hope it is not us."
At this point players can't be traded for picks anyway. But, why is a #1 insane? If a team needs a franchise quarterback, then they can either draft one or pick one up who already has experience.
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from March 31st: "again that is your straw man bubba.... but like a rabid dog smelling meat you attacked .... .... if you want to squabble understand the difference ....which does require one to ASK first and not attacking a reconstituted point that bears only your opinions.
I just don't appreciate the fact that you have belittled those on this board .. yet when others question your logic or reasoning you cry out as if you are suddenly the victim. It's a message board. People will have differing opinions. I only ask that you remember that and don't take things personal when people disagree. Just because my viewpoint is different than yours, it doesn't mean it's a catfight or I am attacking you like a "rabbid dog smelling meat."
Furthermore.. you have stated multiple times that you were wrong on Hillis and Quinn, and that you were wrong on McNabb to the Redskins, and we proved how you were wrong about Favre being traded...
Look I'm not trying to call you out. I feel like I was just trying to see where you were coming from and then you got real defensive against me and a few others.
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