DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Looking ahead to 2007 draft

Well after this weekend the Browns are slotted somewhere be 4 and 6.

Not including tomorrows Seattle / GB game.

I would suspect that AZ would go after Joe Thomas.
Oakland... probably Brady Quinn.
Detriot... ?

Oakland 2 9
Detroit 2 9
Arizona 2 9

Cleveland 3 8
Houston 3 8
Tampa Bay 3 8

Pittsburgh 4 7
Tennessee 4 7
Washington 4 7
Green Bay 4 6

Buffalo 5 6
Miami 5 6
Philadelphia 5 6
Minnesota 5 6
Atlanta 5 6
San Francisco 5 6
St. Louis 5 6

N.Y. Jets 6 5
Cincinnati 6 5
Jacksonville 6 5
N.Y. Giants 6 5
Carolina 6 5
Seattle 6 4

Kansas City 7 4
Denver 7 4
Dallas 7 4
New Orleans 7 4

New England 8 3

Baltimore 9 2
San Diego 9 2
Chicago 9 2

Indianapolis 10 1

Right now, I would guess the following players

Gaines Adams, Allen Branch
Jake Long, Adrian Peterson.

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man.. i dont know what the Browns should do in the 1st round..

of course i want to say O-Line.. but the way Vick and Young played yesterday with their feet... im kinda wanting Troy Smith to do the same for the Browns.. I know he isnt the tallest guy but man.. I know he would change the ENTIRE AFC North game plan since he is FAST and has the ability to break for long yardage!!

other draft pick of my choice is Adrian Peterson... he would be a killer RB for us...

but again.. without o-line.. neither one of those guys would do much...

so draft Smith or Peterson in the 1st.. and then use the 2nd and 3rd round picks for o-line maybe.. or find a sleeper O-line in the 4th round..

Max Jean dropped last year... maybe another o-line guy will drop next year...

and Charlie Frye.. man.. this is the first time i ever said your time is up.. if the Browns dont win another game this year.. This team may go through another DESTROY AND REBUILD process <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> .

If were picking that high its tough, assuming Joe Thomas is gone and looking at the postitions that nedd upgraded here these are guys Id be looking at:

Adrian Peterson HB
Alan Branch NT
Jake Long LT<---- he may even be considered a reach
Quinten Moses DE

reachin with these

Gaines Adams DE
Levi Brown LT
Sam Baker LT
Leon Hall CB
Justin Blalock OG


I would take Peterson hads down. He is your prototypical NFL back. Big, expolsive, and fast. Definately take the attention off of Frye......then ofcourse the rest of the draft needs to look like this

2.OL
3.DL
4.OL
5.DL
6.CB
7.OL

We're gonna pick high (haven't doen the math yet) because we're not gonna win another game. Assume that happens and we pick first,...what then ??

Thomas ??
Quinn ??
Peterson ?? I think he'll stay for the Hesiman shot, but his injury's got to be carfeully evaluated.

The lions look to be going QB oe D-line

If you have a shot at him Joe Thomas, no question. Its win/win (for now)you address the O-line (our biggest weakness) and appeas the fans so management can actually manage with out these second guessing whiners in thier ear

oh yeah and you get the best O-line prospect in the nation <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

then the line could look like this

LT Shaffer
LG Thomas <----------hes a rookie, if he starts this is most likely where itll be
C Fraley <------------ IMO we need to resign this guy
RG Bentley
RT Tucker <----------- need to find his replacement been solid but getting old

While a Big Ten pimp, I have unfortunately not seen Whisky play all year,...is this guy an Orlando ??

If we draft Thomas I would move Shaffer to RT because I think Thomas is just that good. At worst I put Tucker on the bench and Thomas at RT. I don't think you put a guy that's 6'8'' 315lbs at OG (JMHO).

As for who I want to see in the draft.........

If our pick isn't one of 4 players:

OT Joe Thomas
DT Alan Branch (who could play DE untill Ted is done)
DT Quinn Pittcok (move to DE in the 3-4) (could trade down.)
DE Gaines Adams (DE/Rush OLB) best pass rusher in the draft, phenominal athletic ability.

I'll be extremely dissapointed.

In terms of round 2.......

I'm crossing my fingers that RB Tony Hunt from PSU might slide (extrememly unlikely-especially when he's 6'2'' 230 LBS). I'd also like to see DE Lamar Woodley (again, may already be gone), OT Jake Long (would probably have to trade up), OG Ben Grubbs Auburn or OT Ryan Harris from ND (move him to OG).

I'll take a Troy Smith and a side of O and D-line, please.

I must have overlooked the 6'8" part... your right you dont put those guys at OG....regardless he is the stud O-Linemen in this draft.

Even if he's not a "Pace" and is the next coming of Mandarich (sp?) he's gotta make our DL better by just providing some OL competition in camp,....

while im a big Troy fan, I am a bigger Browns fan and Troy is not what the browns need right now. The Browns need consistency in the trenches starting with the OL. Then the DL. I still do not comprehend how people think investing another high draft pick on a Quarterback when the O-Line is one of the most vissible issues we have. It wont fix anythin,g but I can almost guarentee itll ruin another QB. I mean Troy has played with a good OL his whole time at OSU, what makes you think hes going to continue his success with an OL that is probably worse than his own in college.

When the Browns can sustain a drive and/or consistently convert 3rdand shorts then be able to get the D off the field you will see a huge change in W-L column. Untill both lines are revamped I just dont see that happening (maybe with a better RB, but even thats a stretch).

Before we ruin another QB and throw the current one under the bus lets fix the Lines and let the current QB (who has what? like 13 total starts) see if he can do anything, if not then AFTER the lines are addressed we get another one

I doubt he's another Madarich, he looks to be the real deal. but none the less something has gotta be done, an action has to be made to improve the O-line. If hes there you take him, dont think twice. If he busts out ,thats the NFL draft for you, you may have to go another direction. but atleast you attempted

Thankfully the number of OL "busts" is smaller than the ones who stick,....it's just that we remember the busts afetr "wasting" that high pick on them.

I just can't help but think about how the Pace pick (along with a lot of other good men and coaches) put the Rams in the Super Bowl within 3 years. And they're still---though not top of the NFC heap--playing better ball than we do and are fighting for a playoff spot.

Nice post and I agree with everyone on the list EXCEPT for Ryan Harris... He has NOT looked as good as advertised this year...

As for Woodley, I may be pretty F'ed up for thinking this and have mentioned it before on here but Damn I salivate thinking about him as an ILB next to DQ.. Problem is that he will not be top 10 based SOLEY on his size...



I echo these sentiments but I must also add, I am not trying to go Homer on the board but I am growing on the thought of Troy Smith at QB depending on who is available... We need someone that has the poise for the big game and doesn't fold under pressure... NO other QB in the draft has more Game Presence than him...

Adrian Peterson would be a good pick too... SO MANY needs, just cannot go too wrong... I would want to stay away from TE, WR, CB or Safety in the 1st Rd though... We DEFINITELY need O-Line, D-Line, RB and maybe even QB...

you're dead on. At this point with the browns its improvement, competitiveness, and execution when we can do those 3 on a regular basis we will begin to win

ok...
1 OL
2 OL
3 DL
4 DL
5 OL
6 DL
7 OL

Yeah, I know he hasn't been great but I think that stems more from playing out of position. He's an OG 6'4''-6'5'' 300 LBS playing OT. He may be 6'5'' but he seems to have some fairly short arms, which is obviously not one of the key attributes among great OT's. I would like him at OG because he is athletic for his size. He would be great at pulling (either way) and getting out in front on running plays. He's also a high character guy that would work hard and be receptive to coaching.


In all honesty, I have thought that as well.

I know everyone always gets accused of being a homer for pimping their teams own players but I think Woodley would be an absolute beast in the 3-4. I think he's one of those players that could have a phenominal workout and really open up some eyes......much like a DeMarcus Ware did. He's extremely stout at 6'2'' 1/2 275 LBS. He's althetic enough to play LB, strong enough to play DE.....he would be perfect as a "rover" type in our scheme. He also has a great motor and that passion for football......he just loves to hit people. Would love to see Wimbley and Woodley collapsing the pocket on a consistent basis.

Well, I'll pimp you for being a pimp <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Woodley would be in the mold of big Mike Vrabel--who is STILL valuable--only Woodley would be FASTER,....not a bad idea, but do we need LB's as much as a pass rush specialist ? Could he do both ?

I don't care about his size; right now all I care about is the heart to match the talent.

It is just knowing when to say when in regards to homerism but I don't want to turn this into ANOTHER BE thread...;)

I would LOVE to see Woodley or Branch in Brown and Orange.. Those guys would IMMEDIATELY upgrade our front 7 and I am not sure about Branch but I know Woodley is SMART.. Saying you want these players is stating the obvious rather than Homerism, believe it or not, I can tell the difference... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

As far as Harris goes, I see your point about him and it makes more sense the way you explained it with him moving to Guard... I also think Levi Brown falls into that category as well...

[color:"white"]We're not taking Smith with a top-10 pick. [/color]

Maybe not but ginn could be a possibility...
























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Troy Smith will NOT be able to slip out of sacks and broken protection like he does in college. Even VY who was a better runner can't run like he did in college. Smith would be a waste of a pick because we would be ignoring the essential thing we've need - OLINE!

[color:"white"]When did we hire Millen? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thomas is a Cardinal. It makes just too damned much sense.

-Current O-line is pathetic
-Current LT who's underachieved and is probably out of position is set to be a free agent and is currently making $9+ million dollars
-Thomas is the #1 rated player on Scouts Inc (which means in other places as well) and the Cardinals are on track to get a top-3 pick
-Other #1 rated player is Brady Quinn, they just drafted Leinart, and the Raiders badly need a QB
-Other other #1 rated player is Adrian Peterson, and they just signed Edge James to a huge contract
-Other other other #1 rated player is the wideout at GT, and the Cards allready have 2 #1 receivers and another 1st round pick in Bryant Johnson
-They spent last year's #1 on a cornerback
-Lions need a quarterback as well, think the world of Jeff Backus, and are currently have the 29th rated defense


I'm having a real hard time seeing them taking anyone but Thomas.[/color]

How I See the First Round/ some of 2nd round might Go <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

1. Arizona- Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
2. Oakland- Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
3. Detroit- Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
4. Houston- Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma
5. Washington- Leon Hall, CB, Michigan
6. Cleveland- Alan Branch DT Michigan
7. Tampa Bay- LaRon Landry, S, LSU
8. Tennessee- Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
9. Minnesota- Ted Ginn Jr., WR, OSU
10. Miami- Sam Baker, OT, USC
11. Green Bay- Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
12. Buffalo- Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
13. St. Louis- Quinn Pitcock, DT, OSU
14. Pittsburgh- Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno St.
15. San Francisco- Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
16. Philadelphia- Paul Poslusnsky, OLB, PSU
17. New York Jets- Dwayne Jarret, WR, USC
18. Atlanta- DeMarcus Tyler, DT, NC State
19. Cincinnati- Michael Griffin, S, Texas
20. Kansas City- Levi Brown, OT, PSU
21. New Orleans- Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss
22. New York Giants- Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn
23. New England (fr. Seattle)- Jeff Samardzija, WR, Notre Dame
24. Jacksonville- Reggie Nelson, S, Florida
25. Carolina- Buster Davis, LB, Florida
26. Dallas- Justin Blalock, OG/OT, Texas
27. New England-Darrel Revis, CB, Pitt
28. Denver- Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame
29. Baltimore-Troy Smith, QB, OSU
30. San Diego- Earl Everett, LB, Florida
31. Indianapolis- Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma
32. Chicago- Zach Miller, TE, Arizona St.

33. Arizona- Eric Weddle, S, Utah
34. Oakland- Arron Sears, OT, Tennessee
35. Detroit- Tim Crowder DE Texas
36- Houston- Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame
37.New York Jets (fr. Washington)- Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
38. Cleveland- LaMarr Woodley, DE/OLB, Michigan//Josh Beekman, OG, Boston College

Which would be precisely why it won't happen <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Not that I want Troy Smith with our 1st round pick but I think I will vomit if Baltimore picks him with their first pick.

I like the Alan Branch kid but NO WAY do we pass on Gaines Adams if he is there... He will most likely be the highest rated Defensive Player in the draft...

Not to nitpick because you did a pretty decent job here... I see a few other spots that I do not understand but you did put some thought in...

Somehow, some way, the Ravens are not into selecting Buckeyes. To my knowledge, they have not EVER picked one, and the only one on their historical roster that has ever played there is Craig Powell, a holdover from "The Move."

General reply: BIG PLAYERS MAKE BIG PLAYS IN BIG GAMES.

NEVER forget that when evaluating someone at any position.

Kyle Boller and Troy Smith? I would salivate over it.

If given the choice, I would rather have a massive, athletic DT/DE then a 260 LB pass rush specialist.

Adams is a great player but guys like Branch don't come around very often. There are plenty of college DE's that are 260LBS and can be rush ends in the NFL, there are very few 6'6'' 330 LB defensive lineman that can not only stuff the run but also rush the passer.

JMHO.

Amen. I want the nastiest guy in the trenches, and Branch is that guy.

i wouldn't take smith in the first 10 picks

but if he is available after that, early second round, you've gotta take him...

you can call me a homer, call me whatever you want, you can say he can't avoid the rush, or that ohio state players always suck in the nfl, but i want troy smith...

accuracy, arm strength, and most of all, big game poise...

is the height a turn-off? drew brees is an inch smaller...

Teddy Ginn won't go top 10. IMO

Well, to his credit, no one has heard Papa Ginn say it was OK to leave yet,...

Wrong ORJ.

We will have a top-four pick locked up but will win one at the end that gives us "a good game to build on for next year" (can't you hear Phil or RAC say that?) That will drop us into a five team tie and we'll pick 9th.<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Not that I want to lose, but didn't a late W screw us out of a nice pick a few years ago?


And if we can't move down to do it, we should still take the best lineman (O or D) available----hey any good RBs in FA this year?

If there are, I don't know any of them. Maybe I don't watch that close, wouldn't care if it was Walter Payton, we don't need to spend money on some overblown, overhyped vet, when what we need is the damn best FA offensive lineman out there.

I personally think the backs we have are servicable, except that we're not getting our money's worth out of Rube with his injury. A potent line makes for potent backs.

We need a NT more than a LB or a pass rush specialist... our LBs aren't bad and Wimbley is our pass rush specialist in training... Big Ted, however, is 65 years old and is going to need replaced real soon...