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Just a thought folks..........
I was listening to Mike & Mike last week, and Mike Golic brought up Terrell Owens.
He's a FA, and he hasn't really been a problem on the Bills or Bengals over the past two years.
He's been an okay receiver, and if we don't draft a legitimate receiver in the draft, would anyone here consider TO to be an option. He gets off the jam well and runs good routes. He would fit in in this offense, and IMO he's probably still a better receiver than Massaquoi and Robiskie who showed me very little last year.
He'd at least be good insurance.
One year contract, Terrell Owens. Honestly, I'd rather have him on my team than Randy Moss (who some posters like the idea of this offseason).
I've always said the guy is a team cancer, and I hate players like that. But these one year contracts seem to keep the guy quiet. The Bengals won't be re-signing him.
I think he's an option in FA. The only thing that makes me nervous is that it seems like the Bengals don't want Owens or OchoCinco (makes sense with him), so I feel like there must be some reason behind it.
But as a backup plan in case we don't find some decent WR in the draft, I think he might be a good call
I've been contemplating this all week, but yeah, just throwing the idea out there. Does anyone agree, or should this idea be thrown back at me?
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If you are assuming we bring in NO WR help ... I would consider it yes. I think anyone who wouldn't doesn't understand the phrase "leave no stone unturned" ... or they don't understand the phrase "Browns ranked 30th in passing game..."
But in all seriousness, we already do have receiving "options" (and not necessarily threats, but guys that could develop) in Massaquoi, Robiskie, Cribbs, Mitchell ... We still have Haggerty and Norwood which are at least young guys who could show something ... and I am not sure if it's 100% official that we have stuckey gone? I know it wasn't reported that he was tendered but I don't recall the club making these official or not?
We also have Watson and Moore, as well as Hillis and Hardesty as receiving threats out of the backfield.
While none of those guys have the ability of a true receiving threat like Owens ... I just don't know if I would bring him in for a one year patch up job and then end up casting off a player who could at least be a productive player for the next 6 to 10 years. And that's without including the headaches.
Very good thought though and I think it has to be entertained at least. It's not like Colt wants to go through another season where every time he makes a pass it's on his 4th option of read ..
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Part of me says yes, but I don't think Heckert wants to deal with T.O. after the whole Philly fiasco. T.O. did cause a bit of a problem in Cincy last year when he stated it wasn't the players problem the team was losing games.
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If he has matured and understands that we are a young team with a young QB then I'm fine with TO. Never really hated the guy to be honest anyways.
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It's not like Colt wants to go through another season where every time he makes a pass it's on his 4th option of read ..
That's one thing I'm conerned about. Where is this team going to find a WR that defenses have to gameplan for if they don't take AJ Green in the 1st? There's no one that really catches my eye among the FA.
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On pure ability, sure. with a mouth and a troublemaking past.. NO FREAKIN WAY.
I don't think the browns will consider him either.
Heckert said he might consider a rookie with some issues in his past, but he would not take on a veteran with trouble.
I would think that Heckert knows more about TO than any of us given he was with Philly when the blow up occured out there.
My guess, he won't even give it a second thought.
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heck no..
I really don't see whats wrong with even the guys we have..
MoMass, Robo, Cribbs, & Mitchell??
Green and Julio is nice, but in my eyes we really just need a fast slot WR.
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He flat out quit on his team late last year.
I'll accept a lot .... but never that. Let him go somewhere else and cause problems.
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Here's the only thing ... in the past two years he was on bottom feeding teams ...
In Buffalo where they had a quarterback juggle session and only won 6 games (1 against Indy who rested their starters ... and 3 against Tbay, KC, and Carolina.... all bad teams in '09) ... he had 55 catches and 829 yards with 5 tds ...
then when Cincy went 4-12 last year ... in only 14 games and with a down year from Palmer he still had 72 catches and 983 yards with 9 tds ...
He has been productive ... ?
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One year contract, Terrell Owens. Honestly, I'd rather have him on my team than Randy Moss (who some posters like the idea of this offseason).
Terrelle Owens was a free agent, at least once in the past 2 years when the Bengals signed him, probably another time.
T. J. Houshmanzadeh was a free agent TWICE in 2010 and the Browns and he didn't get together.
Randy Moss hasn't yet been a Free Agent ( If I remember right), so maybe I like all 3 receivers, at least a little bit.
If they were going to get Owens, then 3 years ago, and oh yeah 7 years ago, wouldn't have been possible, would have been desireable.
Whether he passed on the Browns, or the Browns passed on him, I'm just saying
How can it be a better idea in 2011, than it would have been in 2009, or 2010.
I'll tell you how. If you are a national radio host, who works for a 4 letter network, and don't consider the Browns best interest, you only consider the Browns as a last stop for bad free agents before they leave the league,
then it almost makes sense.
it doesnt make sense for the Browns though.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I really don't see whats wrong with even the guys we have..
MoMass, Robo, Cribbs, & Mitchell??
I do, MoMass and Robo weren't productive last year at all. They weren't able to get open and they didn't show great hands.
Cribbs IMO is not a real WR. He's not shifty enough. Now that the kicking rules have changed, things are even worse for him (as value on the Browns). Fact is if we were going to give him another position, we should have made tried him at strong safety.
and Mitchell got barely any gametime if any last year. What evidence do you have that Mitchell is going to be any good?
Our best WR was Chancy Stuckey. It looks like the coaches say he's gone. If he's gone, then why shouldn't Robo and Mass be on a short leash? They weren't as good as him last year?
Now some of the lack of success could have been Colt McCoy singling out Ben Watson and Stuckey as his only targets or our offense not being designed well enough,
but in all 16 games I watched this season, I have seen absolutely nothing that gives me hope for Massaquoi, Cribbs, Mitchell, and Robiskie.
TO might have given up on the Bengals, but that was a team in absolute shambles. I just look at what he did to us and his productivity, and it's gotta be twice as much as we got out of Robo and Mass.
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This is MoMass and Robo's 3rd year... the year where most say that WR's blossom... Robo was blossoming at the end of the season with a few nice plays.. MoMass does his normal thing. I expect them BOTH to be better.
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This is MoMass and Robo's 3rd year... the year where most say that WR's blossom... Robo was blossoming at the end of the season with a few nice plays.. MoMass does his normal thing. I expect them BOTH to be better.
This is what tends to be the case. But I'm definitely not gonna just count on it.
What happens when they both suck again? The answer: Colt McCoy's number 1 target again will be Ben Watson and he won't have a fair shot at showing what he can really do. I'd like someone good, then, if they are better. Great.
Otherwise, we have 3 receivers instead of 2. (or if Mitchell is good, 4 receivers instead of 3). In a WCO this isn't a bad thing. Look at the Packers with Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, James Jones, and that white guy
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Look at how Owens acted when the Bengals season started going south last year.
I cannot believe that anyone would even remotely consider a guy with as much cancerous history, in damn near everywhere he's played, as Owens possesses.
Owens went on TV in Cincinnati last year, complaining about the coaches ... and ownership .....
Not the kind of guy I want on my team. No thanks. Pass. Pass again. Pass forever.
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Owens went on TV in Cincinnati last year, complaining about the coaches ... and ownership .....
Not the kind of guy I want on my team. No thanks. Pass. Pass again. Pass forever.
Now, I get your point.
But, question is - Was he right with what he was saying about the ownership and coaches? I mean Carson Palmer might pull a Barry Sanders and just retire on them because they won't trade him because he says they're so incompetent.
Not saying that he was right for saying it, but were his statements accurate? I'm willing to bet that they were.
He didn't do this with the Buffalo Bills
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But he did do it with the 49'ers ........ and the Cowboys ...... and the Eagles ...... and Bungles .......
It was to varying degrees ...... but in 4 of his 5 stops he's been absolutely cancerous. No reason to expect that his 5th team will improve things. The only place he behaved liuke a grown up was in Buffalo ..... and that's ony because he wanted to play another couple of years and he knew that no one would bring him in with the way he had been acting prior to that.
Behavinf for 1 year while under threat of the end of your career isn't much of a show of maturity. If we bring this &^$*#!( in I think I would have to stop watching till he was gone. I'm not kidding either. That's how much I detest him, and there is no way I could root for him ..... even on my favorite team for the past 40+ years. He is not what I want, or expect a Cleveland Brown to be.
I doubt that Heckert would touch him anyway though .... because he lived through the Owens cancer in Philly.
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Terrell Owens' biggest problem is that at some point someone convinced him he should always tell the truth.
The Bengals are a disaster from the top down.
McNabb was too out of shape to run the offense.
Garcia did kinda walk like a duck.
I don't think anyone can legitimately say he doesn't stay ready to go, that he doesn't take the game seriously, that he doesn't know his assignment. He is always in shape, he is always ready to go out and perform, and he is very frequently the best player on the field.
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If he has matured and understands that we are a young team with a young QB then I'm fine with TO. Never really hated the guy to be honest anyways.
Matured and TO do not belong in the same sentence.
If, if if... if the sun rises from the west I would consider him, and that is about as nicely as I can state it.
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I think he has matured as much as he's going to. He is 37-years-old and turns 38 during the 2011 season.
Anyway, I think the bottom line is this (as other have mentioned):
Our GM is Tom Heckert.
Tom Heckert used to be the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Terrell Owens used to play for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Tom Heckert's time and Terrell Owens' time in Philadelphia coincided.
Terrell Owens acted a fool and was asked not to show up to work anymore even though he was one of the best players in the league. Tom Heckert was the GM during this time period.
Tom Heckert probably doesn't want anything to do with Terrell Owens.
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j/c...
didn't heckert already put this 'idea' to an end during the combine when he said he didn't necessarily mind bringing in guys with a troubled past who were entering the draft, but wouldn't allow it for someone who was already in the league.
the convo went something like that..
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Thought this was funny. Owens full name according to his Wikipedia page:
Terrell Eldorado Owens
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Could you spell it out more clearly 
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I can see how one might think it would be a good idea, if you were under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. 
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1. yes
2. i'd take him, his work ethic is incredible. say what you want about how he is with the media, that guy works his ass off. he vastly outplayed the younger ochocinco last year.
3. he'd never go to cleveland. at least i don't think he would. although with mangini gone i'd say our chances of getting a guy like that go up at least a little
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He'll go to whoever will pay him. And there aren't very many teams left that will pay him. He went to Buffalo, he'd go to Cleveland.
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He can go to hell for all I care ..... just NOT Cleveland.
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j/c...
didn't heckert already put this 'idea' to an end during the combine when he said he didn't necessarily mind bringing in guys with a troubled past who were entering the draft, but wouldn't allow it for someone who was already in the league.
the convo went something like that..
That is indeed exactly what he said and if you couple that with him being in Philly during that Bruhaha, you'd have to believe that Heckert isn't even thinking TO is viable.
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No bloody way. I am willing to bet we can find someone who is not Moss or TO or playing soccer to give us a deep threat or two. A little poison in your only waterhole goes a very long way. The lockerroom can kill you. We will have enough adjustments to make. Pass on this. Some rewards are far outweighed by the risks. I feel we pass on TO and not look back.
This guy is cancer. he helped Ocho Cinco to finally metastasize and they were such a cancer the QB wants out as well. Our receivers are pretty lousy yet I would not sign a team cancer like this guy. No way. not him or Moss.
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He flat out quit on his team late last year.
I'll accept a lot .... but never that. Let him go somewhere else and cause problems.
I agree... when things don't go well he doesn't seem to care much and he has a history of fighting with his QBs which Colt doesn't need...
He has unbelievable talent and I think will do well with a winning program, but I just don't see him fitting well ona team that's on the build... he tried that in Buffalo and didn't work...
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He'll go to whoever will pay him. And there aren't very many teams left that will pay him. He went to Buffalo, he'd go to Cleveland.
He also went to Cincinnati. It is obvious he's not picky.
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This guy is cancer. he helped Ocho Cinco to finally metastasize and they were such a cancer the QB wants out as well. Our receivers are pretty lousy yet I would not sign a team cancer like this guy. No way. not him or Moss.
I doubt Ochocinco and TO will be in Cinci next year.
Carson Palmer also lobbied to bring TO to the Bengals.............
I think Palmer wants out of Cinci because they are a terrible organization
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Just say N.O.
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lol, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Just say N.O.
T.O. has B.O.
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If we go the aging veteran route (and I'm not opposed to it) I want a guy that not only has a year or two left in the tank but that can serve as a mentoring type guy to the younger players and be a positive roll model for the young players on and off the field.. that leaves TO out.
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And ... since he has had more td's, receptions, and yards than our leading receiver ... EVERY year except
2007 when Kellen had 82 catches and TO only had 81 ... That year he also only had 15 TDs where braylon had 16 ... but he did beat those two by over 100 more yards receiving than either of them
And in 2006 Kellen also had 89 catches, TO had 85
Even in 2005 when he only played in 7 games with Philly, he had only 22 less receptions than Antonio bryant... but TO had 6 TD's in those 7 games, bryant had 4 tds all season ...
Other than that ... he has outpaced our leading receiver since the rebirth of the franchise in almost every year and in almost every category.
Not doubting that he is a headache ... but he might be able to help in the short term. Especially if we had no receivers drafted.
But I think its about a 1% chance that he actually is brought in at BEST chances ..
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That's fair Purp. But when we have no receivers next year and we get two more sub-500 yard receiving seasons from Robiskie and Mass (and people are going to wonder where Stuckey went and why we let him go): you won't feel that way?
Because that little graemlin or whatever it's called that you posted is exactly how I will feel
And that's fair to say DC - You want a veteran who can mentor........ Just tell me who it is. And not Santana Moss, he sucks. May be Steve Smith? (From Giants, he's a FA I think and the Giants already have quite a few receivers). Just name someone decent because there isn't a lot out there
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