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Published: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 5:54 PM Updated: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 5:58 PM By Starting Blocks The Plain Dealer CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns seem set on the left side of their offensive line with all-pro tackle Joe Thomas, respected veteran guard Eric Steinbach and promising two-year center Alex Mack. It's the right side of the Cleveland line, especially at tackle, that needs to be addressed in the April 28-30 draft. Fortunately for the Browns, personnel analysts say the position is steeped in both quality and depth in the upcoming draft. Steve Doerschuk, for SportingNews.com, details the Browns' needs as they plan for the draft. He feels Cleveland's No. 1 draft priority is a defensive lineman, followed by a wide receiver. The No. 3 need, Doerschuk writes: 3. Right tackle. The Browns are in great shape on the offensive line with left tackle Joe Thomas, left guard Eric Steinbach and center Alex Mack, but there are problems at right tackle. New Browns coach Pat Shurmur says the trenches will be a priority. Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi would be a good right tackle option if he’s available when the Browns pick early in the second round. Arkansas’ DeMarcus Love played left tackle in 2010 but has the size and strength to do well on the right side. He is an option in the middle rounds. http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/03/pm_cleveland_browns_links_101.html________________________________________________________________ I stongly disagree that RT is our 3rd most needed position in the draft , OTOH, if we can get a deal 
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I agree with you. I would love to draft a guy in case Pashos isn't what they expected when they signed him. I'm a fan of Marcus Gilbert in 4 if he is there (I'd take him in 3, but...)
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John St. Clair was cut and there will be a replacement in any case.
Drafrtee or FA????
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Orlando Franklin or James Carpenter at RT would be fine with me.
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Orlando Franklin or James Carpenter at RT would be fine with me.
do you believe they can be drafed in the 4th round or later?
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We'll have to see how the boards adjust 2-3 picks in to the draft, but I would suspect we will grab a OT anywhere from pick 3 to pick 5.
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Carimi will be LONG GONE by round two. Pashos was a lead foot before he missed almost all of the last three seasons. To pencil in that guy goes way beyond delusional: it is injurious to all your QBs another triple boot year for the signal callers?
Profootball talk also spoke of the browns were looking at the USC OT. I hope no, he is big but he lacks the drive to run block well and I do not see the athletic footwork i do in Carimi.
Sorry, the candidates are starting to weed themselves out.
Quinn has off field issues, Bowers has a gimpy knee and his proday was less than sterling. To say he ran poor times because of injury is to admit 4 months out the injury is still an issue. DT from Auburn has commitment concerns regarding dedication to workouts( Fat warren). The QBs will be gone ditto peterson.
I think carimi is a sure fire stud. if a QB is available make teams deal and move back enough slots to get carimi. he makes our Oline. pashos was a wasted signing, yet another example of a browns front office doing poor due diligence regarding the readiness or even skill of a player.The only we we have a prayer to compete is to keep mcCoy healthy, and pashos will NOT help that.
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yeah a rt would be nice to have, BUT i cant even consider taking a rt (trade down or not) in the first round. with the bigger needs elsewhere, i would puke if we didnt go defense or wr
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I am a big Carimi fan and would have no problem with us dropping down to 17 or so to take him.
I also know what kind of impact having a great WR would have for EVERYONE on offense: McCoy, Hillis, Watson, really everybody. You get a defense playing on their heels and it opens a lot of things up.
But staying on topic....
I really liked Yates when he was at RG. I also don't mind Womack. Lauvao may develop into something too.
I really think Carimi has the ability be an All-Pro at RT. Can you imagine the luxury of having both edges locked down without help?
You could really do anything you wanted to schematically in the passing game.
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Personally, I am not a Carimi fan. I have a 3rd round grade on him. I know that is going against what most people think but I can't understand why he would be drafted in the 1st round. I think he is to slow to handle the speed rushers on the left side and I don't see him as stout enough to set the edge vs power rushers on the right side. He may be a solid RT in 2-3 yrs but I don't envision him as the perennial pro bowler that many do.
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again, i would puke if we went rt in the 1st round. i understand it would lock our line down. people can argue all they want about it with many a point. but lets use math here.
rt = 1/5 of the line. we are set at 3/5 of the line already. yates or laurvo step up we are 4/5 full.
our dl is 3/4 empty with only rubin
wr- 2wr set is a joke with what we got. i cant even use fractions here cause i forget how to use negative numbers with fractions. 3 wr set is a joke, even more so with stuckey gone. our best 3 wr set is mo mass, robo and moore. we have to use a te as a wide wr to field 3 wr. and he would have the best hands.
with those two position needs i cnat imagine going any other route, (unless p peterson)
at least bpa at 6 wont be a rt. it should be a position of need conveniently
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I agree. Unless we traded back and got NE's 2 1st rounders and took Carimi with the later one.
Too many needs (with good prospects to fill them), too many RTs that can be there in the 2nd/3rd round to even consider it in the first round this year.
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I'm definately not high on Demarcus Love after watching him get owned by Heyward on almost every snap during the bowl game.
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I am a big Carimi fan and would have no problem with us dropping down to 17 or so to take him.
I also know what kind of impact having a great WR would have for EVERYONE on offense: McCoy, Hillis, Watson, really everybody. You get a defense playing on their heels and it opens a lot of things up.
But staying on topic....
I really liked Yates when he was at RG. I also don't mind Womack. Lauvao may develop into something too.
I really think Carimi has the ability be an All-Pro at RT. Can you imagine the luxury of having both edges locked down without help?
You could really do anything you wanted to schematically in the passing game.
Great post, also how much more effective would our running and passing game be if our QBs had a few extra seconds. toss in a smart scheme that finally uses Cribbs on quick crossing patterns and get a top free agent wr. locking down both tackles especially carimi could slide left in case of the unimaginable: I won't even utter the words. I want a great line, something the browns have not had since the 1960s.
yes we need dline, yet one player can lock up our oline and make it among the best.
Juke teams thinking we are going QB or whatever and trade back and get this guy.
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I want a great line, something the browns have not had since the 1960s.
Or 2007. Either one.
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I want a great line, something the browns have not had since the 1960s.
Does the runningback make the line?
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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ugh the line of the 1960 was light years better than 2007 across the entire line. we have a young stud at center and a stud LT, I would like one a RT as well.
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Sure the 1960 line (which I have no recollection of because my Dad was only 7-years old) was better. But wouldn't you agree that the 2007 line was also great?
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You bring up an excellent point in that the browns crappy play calling accentuated the problems of the line. When you are extremely obvious and predictable you often find yourself in third an long. having poor pass blocking on the right with many third and longs and you see the problem.
In the 1960 we had the excellent Leroy Kelly Ernie green tandem and jim brown bobby Mitchell in the early sixties. Both excellent running tandems we also had a very wide open offense called under Blanton Collier the head coach not the Tudor Electric Football offense so typical under Daboll/ carhon ect ect.
Now you get Carimi and have a west coast offense, add a top wideout through the draft or free agency and somehow Hardesty makes a big contribution and the line is going to look really good. Running backs, play calling..everything makes the offense.
1970, the browns still have an effective yet aging oline and like dumb jerks trade Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps. without a long threat teams stack the run and leroy kelly is injured and beat up all year and looks about done( he aged 3 seasons in that one).
The Browns oline looks worse than it is because
1) play calling
2) lack of a deep threat or consistent passing game
3) uneven QB play
4) lack of depth at RB
5) really horrid play at RT and often at RG as well
With Carimi
1) excellent RT who can back up at LT as well
2) extra time for the QB to make a play
3) extra time for wrs to get open
4) a bruiser to pave the way for running on the rt side
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Now you get Carimi and have a west coast offense, add a top wideout through the draft or free agency and somehow Hardesty makes a big contribution and the line is going to look really good. Running backs, play calling..everything makes the offense.
Add Carimi, who would take a 1st rounder to get, and draft a top wideout? That doesn't make sense.
There might not even be free agency so it might be impossible to sign any wide receiver let alone a top one.
Drafting a top RT seems like a great plan. But we have much bigger needs and there are many more talented players than Carimi in this draft.
If Carimi is around in the 2nd round, that's a different story.
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our biggest need is keeping our QBs healthy, trading back we can maybe get BOTH a top wr and carimi. stay tuned. At least i hope the front office is not so delusional to really believe Pashos, injred much of his last three seasons is any answer at all to be depended upon.
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Trading back we can not still get a top WR and Carimi. Their are two top WR's. There names are A.J. Green and Julio Jones. Both will be gone by the tenth pick.
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our biggest need is keeping our QBs healthy, trading back we can maybe get BOTH a top wr and carimi. stay tuned. At least i hope the front office is not so delusional to really believe Pashos, injred much of his last three seasons is any answer at all to be depended upon.
I love OL, but if we somehow traded for NE's 2 1st rounders (2 highest picks we could theoretically get) and drafted a RT and WR with those picks, I'd be pretty upset.
While we can use a RT and obviously need a WR, our DL really, really needs help and there are some good ones in this draft.
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Only way I could see that happening (and I don't really want to do this) would be if washington wanted to take a QB, we traded back to 10 and took Jones, then spent whatever we got from washington to move back up into the lower part of the first to take Carimi.
The main reason I don't want to do this is we would have gone through the 1st and 2nd round with no help on the DL. DL in picks 1-40 is the sweet spot of this draft.
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If we traded down with New England I would want more than their 2 1st round picks.
I would want 17, 28, and 33 to trade down. I doubt that they would make that trade though ..... so I'd have to pass on trading down to 17.
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One of these years New England is going to surprise us all and move up in the draft.
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It would make sense for them to make a move for Green if he was available to them ...... but then again, they need defensive help as well, and could really benefit from the depth at DL in this draft. (both at DE and LB)
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Sure the 1960 line (which I have no recollection of because my Dad was only 7-years old) was better. But wouldn't you agree that the 2007 line was also great?
Found this post interesting, as I was only 6 then,...but even though having always been a good student of Browns history, these would still only be wild guesses,.....
Frank Gatski
Lou Groza
Jim Ray Smith
Dick Schafrath
maybe Art Hunter ? (has a 59 Topps card)
And I think I'm wrong on Gatski,...he's probably older than the '60 season.
Schaf was drafted in 59. Smith has a 60 Topps football card,....
Groza never quit until Cockroft came around,....didn't always just kick though either,....
I'm out of guesses, and not sure when the mid-60's greats actually came on board -- Wooten, Hickerson, Brown (he was '62 Syracuse though,...), Morrow.
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