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Cleveland Browns Hall of Famer Jim Brown says he still has bad taste in his mouth about his relationship with Browns during radio interview Published: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 2:10 PM Updated: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 2:20 PM By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer Cleveland -- Browns Hall of Fame running back Jim Brown said Wednesday on Sirius XM Mad Dog Radio that he still has a bad taste in his mouth about being let go by the Browns last year.
“I’m a Cleveland Brown for life but, man, I’ll tell you, I live in a positive world and I like to be able to help and I’ll never like to get in anybody’s way. And when I think of my experience with the Browns it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth because my intentions were good, and I was asked to participate, and I worked in that city very hard to represent the Browns. And I even got awards for working with organizations in the name of the Browns.
"And, of course, I wanted them to win but it’s like because they didn’t win then everybody is to blame. And when you get a new regime that comes in and they say, ‘Ok, everybody’s gone.’ And you say, ‘Well, I’m gone, too?’ ‘Yeah, you’re gone, too.’ It’s not a great feeling and it’s all about feeling. It’s like what am I to this organization? On one hand you want to give me a Ring of Honor. On the other hand you want to deal in dishonor.
"So I wish the organization well but I’m happy just to go my way and to live my life because I’m going to try to help people and help situations with Amer-I-Can, my organization, and that’s going well. And I don’t wish any bad luck, I don’t have any ill feelings, only how I feel, it’s about my feelings and just how I feel. And that’s the way it is, you know? But there’s no blame, there’s no finger-pointing, none of that in my repertoire. So that’s an honest analysis of just my feelings.''
Brown declined to attend the Browns Ring of Honor ceremony last season because of the way he was let go as a team consultant.
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I don’t have any ill feelings, only how I feel, it’s about my feelings and just how I feel. And that’s the way it is, you know? But there’s no blame, there’s no finger-pointing, none of that in my repertoire. So that’s an honest analysis of just my feelings.''
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Sounds like a old dude ranting. Which it is.
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He's just bent about getting canned from a high-paying do-nothing job.
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Mr. Brown has a hard time separating his on field achievements and his retirement achievements. And thinks the former should merit special treatment during the latter.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Brown was a great player but in his old age he's nothing more than a racist wife beater.
Didn't the Browns offer him a different job within the organization at a reduced salary and JB refused?
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Didn't the Browns offer him a different job within the organization at a reduced salary and JB refused?
I think so.
But come on, he was already getting paid $X to stand around and be "Jim Brown", why would be take $X-Y to do the same thing? 
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Because they offered him X / Y(A + B), and he wanted NONE of that. 
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Mr. Brown has a hard time separating his on field achievements and his retirement achievements. And thinks the former should merit special treatment during the latter.
The man was in "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka'" during retirement. He should be worshipped daily!!!! 
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I feel no sympathy for him.
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Because they offered him X / Y(A + B), and he wanted NONE of that.
They only offered him $50 a week? I mean, I did the math - that's what it comes out to, right? 
Seriously though, Jim needs to head off into retirement and keep his mouth shut. He's doing more to tarnish his image than he even knows. He was a great player. Since then? It's obvious he feels he's owed because of his name and the career he had. His not showing up for the Ring of Honor ceremony was bush league - he let his feelings rule. And that's fine, if that's how he felt.
But, the more he harps about crap - the worse he looks.
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i don't really care about his relationship with the organization, or mike holmgren, or randy or anyone else, hell I'd be mad too if I lost my job. That's between them and it's really none of my business.
But skipping out on that ring of honor ceremony, and coming off as looking even more bitter and stubborn, is a complete slap to the face of the entire browns fanbase. It has nothing to do with Randy or Mike, that day was about the fans. He really blew it, and he will eventually come to regret it if he hasn't already.
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i don't really care about his relationship with the organization, or mike holmgren, or randy or anyone else, hell I'd be mad too if I lost my job. That's between them and it's really none of my business.
But skipping out on that ring of honor ceremony, and coming off as looking even more bitter and stubborn, is a complete slap to the face of the entire browns fanbase. It has nothing to do with Randy or Mike, that day was about the fans. He really blew it, and he will eventually come to regret it if he hasn't already.
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I met the man, the man is a complete Douche!!! 
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Brown was a great player but in his old age he's nothing more than a racist wife beater.
Didn't the Browns offer him a different job within the organization at a reduced salary and JB refused?
That isn't true....at least the racist part.
He blames black folk for much of the black communities problems.
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Brown was a great player but in his old age he's nothing more than a racist wife beater.
rambo...I disagree with your take, especially the part about being a racist.
Give us some example of Jim Brown's racism, please.
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A lot of negative talk for a man who says he lives in a positive world. Why do the Browns owe him a position or a say in anything?! Thanks for all you ve done Jimmy but we just dont have anything for you. Is that wrong? Think with your dipstick Jimmy!!! 
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A lot of negative talk for a man who says he lives in a positive world.
Why do the Browns owe him a position or a say in anything?! Thanks for all you ve done Jimmy but we just dont have anything for you. Is that wrong?
Think with your dipstick Jimmy!!!
Well, truth be told, I don't know if there is anything the team owes him.
He makes it sound as if he got fired for no good reason. The facts may be different. Perhaps he was a divisive force in the front office? I don't know, but I'm just saying, maybe that's what they felt was happening.
I do remember they offered him a lesser position, dont' remember what it was at all. but it did happen
I get the feeling that he's just bitter. If you look at what he said, it's really just ramblings. Isn't clear at all.
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i don't know if it was true or not, but wasn't he a big part of bringing in romeo crennel, along with some other not-so-smart decisions?
maybe he wanted more say and the football people said no, we'll take it from here.
cause i don't get the whole holmgren just wanting his people in there. i mean he gave mangini an entire year after a bad first year. you'd think the greatest player the organization (and league) has ever seen would get more than that?
i guarantee you he probably had part in his exit as much as anyone else, if not more.
i respect the guy as a player, and how he has become a better person in his later years, helping young people, helping troubled communities, but he is such a bitter old man.
he was michael jordan before michael jordan. he was larger than life, the biggest sports star in the country, and at times i think he still thinks he is.
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I don't know, I was just speculating. We'll never really know until Holmgren retires and maybe writes a book or something. I doubt that happens however.
I do get the feeling that Brown was more of a distraction than a help., JMO however. nothing really to base it on other than the way he's handling the situation now. which doesn't appear to be well.
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Actually, he has called a lot of people racist ......
He called the Hall of Fame racist back around 1990, and threatened to remove his name from it, because Lynn Swann and a few other black players weren't in it.
I'm still trying to figure out why Lynn Swann made the Hall of Fame. His stats were pedestrian. He was something like 50th in career receiving yardage when he retired.He never had a 1000 yard season. His states didn't warrant enshrinement.
That didn't matter to Brown. He wanted more Black players enshrined whether they deserved enshrinement or not.
He also has called out Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan for not doing enough for the Black community ... despite the fact that Jordan has worked with the Boy and Girls Clubs, United Negro College Fund, Special Olympics, Make a Wish, and many other organizations. He did a lot for people, and kids in particular, but not enough "Black" work for Brown's thinking.
Tiger Woods, for all of his personal failings, does do a lot through his Tiger Woods Foundation. He also is more colorblind when it comes to helping people, and especially kids. That's not good enough for Brown. Both men should do more exclusively for Black people only according to Brown.
That is, by definition, racist.
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I'm still trying to figure out why Lynn Swann made the Hall of Fame
because he played for the steelers, duh.
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...but he is such a bitter old man.
I would call him stubborn. But maybe those are a bit similar.
I think he was trying to motivate Tiger and Jordan, the two most influential athlete's in the past 20 years, to use their popularity to change the world for the better, not just write checks. Be a voice to help correct the world/country. Like lebron, they saw themselves as “corporate brands” and tried to be neutral on any hot topic. I think Jim was right…..but it was their right to also say no.
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wasn't it jordan who said republicans buy shoes too?
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Everytime I forget about Mr. Brown, he brings his name back out there and lauds his personal accomplishments. Yay.
I'm 31. I appreciate what he was as a player for the Browns, but I never came close to seeing it. All I've ever seen of him is a bitter, bitter man that thinks we all should kneel before him because "Hey, I'm Jim Brown." Nonsense.
It's been a precipitous fall for him in my mind over the past few years and he sealed the deal by not showing up for the Ring of Honor ceremony. Check ya later, Jim.
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Actually, he has called a lot of people racist ......
yt...You believe, when Jim Browns called out the Pro Football Hall of Fame, because Lynn Swann and John Mackey had not been inducted in the Hall of Fame yet...that makes Jim Brown a "racist"?
If someone simply bringing up a perceived injustice and says they believe that injustice may be due to race...that individual is "a racist", in your opinion?
For the record, Swann was the top vote getter on the 1970's all decade team (offense) as selected by voters of the Pro Football Hall of Fame yet waited 19 yrs to reach the Hall of Fame.
I'm not defending what Jim Brown said, or whether he was right or wrong about Swann...
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rambo...I disagree with your take, especially the part about being a racist.
Give us some example of Jim Brown's racism, please.
Late last year Brown wrote a letter to Holmgren explaining why he wouldn't attend the Ring of Honor ceremony, which had several borderline racist remarks in it.
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He called the Hall of Fame racists because they hadn't inducted Swann. He is the one who used the term. He is the one who said that they should remove him unless they inducted Swann.
If you throw around the term "racist", as he has, then you invite a look at your own (his) words and actions.
The interview I posted had him decrying the number of white people in upper level positions. Yes, part of that is because of the past ... but part of it is because black people only make up 11% of the US population. He then rambled off some BS about ... God only knows what ... then went on to talk about some white people he respected. He has also spent his life trying to gain benefits exclusively for black people. If you want a colorblind society, the way to bring it about is not to segregate who gets help based on color.
Yes, I do believe that Jim Brown harbors some racist feelings. It's to be expected. He grew up in an era of extreme racial strife. However, for him to say that black people have it worse today than ever before is a ridiculous statement. He even made that interview after a black man was elected President.
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Actually, he has called a lot of people racist ......
He called the Hall of Fame racist back around 1990, and threatened to remove his name from it, because Lynn Swann and a few other black players weren't in it.
I'm still trying to figure out why Lynn Swann made the Hall of Fame. His stats were pedestrian. He was something like 50th in career receiving yardage when he retired.He never had a 1000 yard season. His states didn't warrant enshrinement.
That didn't matter to Brown. He wanted more Black players enshrined whether they deserved enshrinement or not.
He also has called out Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan for not doing enough for the Black community ... despite the fact that Jordan has worked with the Boy and Girls Clubs, United Negro College Fund, Special Olympics, Make a Wish, and many other organizations. He did a lot for people, and kids in particular, but not enough "Black" work for Brown's thinking.
Tiger Woods, for all of his personal failings, does do a lot through his Tiger Woods Foundation. He also is more colorblind when it comes to helping people, and especially kids. That's not good enough for Brown. Both men should do more exclusively for Black people only according to Brown.
That is, by definition, racist.
YT...back to the basic question I asked...
If anyone, Jim Brown included, suggests, implies or claims the NFL Hall Fame might be considering race in their selection process...OR...if they "call out" sports celebrities such as Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan...asking them to do more for black kids or the black community, does that mean that person, Jim Browns included, is a racist?
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When he does so in a fashion that suggests that the person in question should only do for black people .... based upon them being black ... then yes, that makes him racist. It is no different than if I say that a white person should only do for white people because they are white.
The rest of the interview I posted, where he suggests that there is more racism today towards black people than at any time in our country's history shows his mindset.
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Good God. The sooner they stop publishing this crap on Jim Brown, the better. As a Browns fan, I HATE saying that. I want to love the guy, but he's nuts.
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back to the basic question I asked...
Isn't it annoying when you ask a simple direct question and don't get a simple direct answer? 
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Actually, he has called a lot of people racist ......
He called the Hall of Fame racist back around 1990, and threatened to remove his name from it, because Lynn Swann and a few other black players weren't in it.
I'm still trying to figure out why Lynn Swann made the Hall of Fame. His stats were pedestrian. He was something like 50th in career receiving yardage when he retired.He never had a 1000 yard season. His states didn't warrant enshrinement.
That didn't matter to Brown. He wanted more Black players enshrined whether they deserved enshrinement or not.
He also has called out Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan for not doing enough for the Black community ... despite the fact that Jordan has worked with the Boy and Girls Clubs, United Negro College Fund, Special Olympics, Make a Wish, and many other organizations. He did a lot for people, and kids in particular, but not enough "Black" work for Brown's thinking.
Tiger Woods, for all of his personal failings, does do a lot through his Tiger Woods Foundation. He also is more colorblind when it comes to helping people, and especially kids. That's not good enough for Brown. Both men should do more exclusively for Black people only according to Brown.
That is, by definition, racist.
YT...back to the basic question I asked...
If anyone, Jim Brown included, suggests, implies or claims the NFL Hall Fame might be considering race in their selection process...OR...if they "call out" sports celebrities such as Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan...asking them to do more for black kids or the black community, does that mean that person, Jim Browns included, is a racist?
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]YT...back to the basic question I asked...
If anyone, Jim Brown included, suggests, implies or claims the NFL Hall Fame might be considering race in their selection process...OR...if they "call out" sports celebrities such as Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan...asking them to do more for black kids or the black community, does that mean that person, Jim Browns included, is a racist?
When Jim Brown says that white people - although he likes a few - his high school coach, etc - but when he says white people only do the right thing because it's the right thing to do - yeah, that's racist.
Watch the video. He flat out says that even though some white people do the right thing, they only do it in order to be seen as doing the right thing.
The man has lost his sense.
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I agree with you arch (cough cough LOL)
Racism flows both ways,, white man who hates on blacks or black man that hates on white.. either way, it's racism...
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Racism flows both ways,, white man who hates on blacks or black man that hates on white.. either way, it's racism...
Racism does flow both ways. Thing is, it only gets called out if it's against blacks. And that gets called way too often, from my experience.
But, why do you have to "cough", if you agree with me? It's not a crime.
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I agree with you arch (cough cough LOL)
Racism flows both ways,, white man who hates on blacks or black man that hates on white.. either way, it's racism...
Racism does flow both ways. Thing is, it only gets called out if it's against blacks. And that gets called way too often, from my experience.
But, why do you have to "cough", if you agree with me? It's not a crime.
There is something out there referred to as "reverse discrimination"
the way I've heard the term used is when you have two equally qualified candidates for a job, one white, one black and you chose the black one in order to fill a quota or satisfy minority hiring stats.
I mean, hey,, if the black guy is the best candidate, I got no issue with it. but if they chose him over the white guy to fulfill a man made quota system, that's what I believe is referred to as reverse discrimination..
Question is, how do you decide, how do you know. I don't know of any case that actually went to court where the white guy proved it was that.
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When he does so in a fashion that suggests that the person in question should only do for black people .... based upon them being black ... then yes, that makes him racist.
YT...did Jim Brown say that Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan should only do for "blacks"?
...I tried to find a story or article that validated your comment...and I found nothing. Maybe you have something to back up your claim???
I did find this story....
NFL Great Jim Brown Calls Out Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan For Lack Of Community Activism
06/25/2009
Most feel it's the duty of famous people to give back, showing activism within their community. Athletes fall into this category too, simply because the top of their respective sports making a whole lot of cash.
Some celebs do their part and some don't. In a recent interview with HBO's "Real Sports," former NFL great Jim Brown called out two athletes for their lack of activism in recent years -- those being Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan.
According to AOL's Black Voices, Brown said: "There are one or two individuals in this country that are black that have been put in front of us as an example. But they're basically under a system that says, 'Hey, they're not gonna do a certain thing.' Yes, that disappoints me because I know they both know better.
"You know what's so interesting about Tiger to me? If it was just a matter of me looking at an individual that's a monster competitor, this cat is a mama-jama, he is a killer. He'll run over you, he'll kick your ass, but as an individual for social change, or any of that kind of (stuff) ... terrible, terrible. Because he can get away with teaching kids to play golf, and that's his contribution. And in the real world, man, I can't teach no kids to play golf and that's my contribution, if I got that kind of power."
Wow, if Brown's right, these two guys should be ashamed of themselves. Tiger Woods is almost a damn near billionaire.
After football, Brown has done his part, trying to curtail violence and promote education in the hood.
The episode of "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" will air on HBO this week, and will also feature basketball great Bill Russell.
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The rest of the interview I posted, where he suggests that there is more racism today towards black people than at any time in our country's history shows his mindset.
YT...first, this recent video has nothing to do with the Jim Brown hall of fame/Swann situation or the Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan situation, does it???
If there is more to this video than what is available in the link you provide, could you post it?
It should be noted that Jim Brown was not the only one questioning why Swann had not been inducted to the hall of fame...read on...
Time for Justice Legendary WR Lynn Swann is long overdue for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
"I have a hard time putting 19 Steelers in the Hall of Fame..." -- Peter King, misguided HOF Voter
Article by McMillen & Wife
To not learn from your mistakes is to repeat them...
He has now been a top-15 finalist in each of his 15 years of eligibilty, and a top-six finalist for 3 of the last 4 years (and will surely make the top 6 again this year). His name seems right at home in the same breath with the likes of Gale Sayers, Lance Alworth, and Walter Payton. Yet year after year, former Steeler wide receiver Lynn Swann finds himself a handful of votes shy of induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame because of idiots like S.I.'s Peter King (one of the uninformed, stats-driven sportswriters who sits of the HoF's voting panel comprised of 38 sports writers). King has repeatedly stated that he won't vote to induct Swann because Lynn only averaged 2.9 catches per game during his career. King went on to say, "I have a hard time putting 19 Steelers in the Hall of Fame," perhaps providing us with his real motivation for keeping Swannie out. The idiocy in King's logic is surpassed only by his weight.
Father time is also hurting Swannie's chances for induction. The clock is ticking, my friends... after next year, Swann will fall into the "senior" category where only one candidate per year is considered, and his HOF chances will diminish substantially. To make matters worse, there is an ever-growing number of HoF voters who are simply too young to remember Swann's play first hand. All too often, I fear, statistics are the primary vehicle for arriving at a decision for these younger panel members. The ignorance of such stats-driven sportwriters who cast their vote based soley on the numbers is disgraceful, but it's reality.
I submit this question to Peter King and his ilk: If Jerry Rice had only averaged 2.9 catches in HIS career, would anyone even know who in the hell he is? Very Doubtful. Especially not 15 years after his retirement. Yet, everyone remembers Swann... he's an immortal.
The Hall of Fame isn't just about "how many," it's about "HOW." It's the stage on which the player performed, his impact on the game, the style with which he played the game, and the legacy he left behind. Stats shouldn't be the lone deciding factor in determining a player's worthiness for HOF induction (would Terry Bradshaw be in Canton based soley on stats?). Swann, like Bradshaw, possessed so many intangibles... singular abilities which no other receiver before or since has demonstrated. He was the greatest big-game receiver of all time, hands down. He defined the position for a generation of players and fans. And he is one of the classiest individuals to ever grace the sport.
How good was Lynn Swann? I'll leave you with a future Hall of Famer's thoughts on the matter:
"Lynn Swann was an idol. It would amaze me how he could fly through the air and make those catches. I'll never forget the one versus Dallas. It was the greatest catch I've ever seen."
-- San Francisco Receiver Jerry Rice
Couldn't have said it better myself, Jerry. Perhaps you should make a phone call to Peter King and company.
One final observation: The only measuring stick an IGNORANT person can use to deterimine a player's contributions is statistics. The sportswriters on the HOF voting panel have a RESPONSIBILITY to look beyond the stats (after all, on paper Neil O'Donnell is better than Terry Bradshaw, so how much validity can really by assigned to stats?). Lynn Swann has been done a great injustice. Ignorance in this case is NOT an exceptable excuse.
Tim McMillen Webmaster, McMillen & Wife web page
I'm not about to attempt to defend everything Jim Brown has to say on the issue of race (or any other subject), especially when he speaks in general terms. Jim Brown is a 75 yr old, proud black man who, IMO, reflects on his own experiences in life as a black man, more so than his life as a black athlete.
Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes...for many of us, we will never be able to judge Jim Brown, nor should we try.
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i don't really care about his relationship with the organization, or mike holmgren, or randy or anyone else, hell I'd be mad too if I lost my job. That's between them and it's really none of my business.
But skipping out on that ring of honor ceremony, and coming off as looking even more bitter and stubborn, is a complete slap to the face of the entire browns fanbase. It has nothing to do with Randy or Mike, that day was about the fans. He really blew it, and he will eventually come to regret it if he hasn't already.
Great post!
I understand that he's arguably the best player of all-time so in that regards he gets my respect for what he did on the field... but from everything I've read about him off the field I just wish he'd live a quiet off the field life...
at this point I don't care who the Browns tick off... as long as they have the right personale to turn this franchise around..
and I agree 100% that he lost a lot of fans by snubbing the ring of honor
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You asked. I answered. I'm not going to get into some drawn out BS argument with you where you'll finally find some minute detail that is contrary to everythign else and try to claim victory.
I've been down that path with you far too many times. The only thing it gets me is a headache ..... and frankly, I don't want a headache.
If I say the sky is blue you'll swear it's pink polka dots .... so what's the point.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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