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Finally someone who has a clue...If Peterson is sitting there and we succomb to this BS need thing with a DL and take Quinn...Heckert is FIRED!!!
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1. Carolina: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Denver: Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
3. Buffalo: Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M
4. Cincinnati: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
5. Arizona: Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
6. Cleveland: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
7. San Francisco: Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
8. Tennessee: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
9. Dallas: Tyron Smith, OT, Southern Cal
10. Washington: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
11. Houston: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
12. Minnesota: Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College
13. Detroit: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado
14. St. Louis: Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
15. Miami: Mark Ingram, HB, Alabama
16. Jacksonville: J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
17. New England: Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal
18. San Diego: Ryan Kerrigan, OLB, Purdue
19. NY Giants: Mike Pouncey, C, Florida
20. Tampa Bay: Aldon Smith, DE, Missouri
21. Kansas City: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin
22. Indianapolis: Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois
23. Philadelphia: Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple
24. New Orleans: Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
25. Seattle: Danny Watkins, G, Baylor
26. Baltimore: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
27. Atlanta: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor
28. New England: Ryan Williams, HB, Virginia Tech
29. Chicago: Jon Baldwin, WR, Pitt
30. NY Jets: Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
31. Pittsburgh: Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State
32. Green Bay: Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona
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Having Peterson makes any Dline a bit better.
I dont reach for Julio Jones if PP is there nor do I consider taking a lineman out of what they think is their big three.
Think of all the 3rd and 10, 15 and plus plays weve given up with soft coverage. PP goes a long way to end that.
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Think o all the 3rd and 1s and 2nd and 3s we'll be facing if we don't fix the line.
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The only guy I'd consider over Peterson if he was still available would be Dareus, and no way is he still there at 6.
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The only guy I'd consider over Peterson if he was still available would be Dareus, and no way is he still there at 6.
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And possibly Green...Although If Green doesn't go to Cincy I think PP will be gone already...Cincy goes Gabbert and Zona goes Peterson...
One has to believe that Peterson is either 1-2-3 on all 32 teams boards...U just can't pass that up in exchange for DL like Bowers/Quinn/Fairley just because we NEED a DL...Terrible drafting strategy...
There's more rounds beyond our 6 pick and there WILL BE a Free Agency period before any game is played...
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he has Bowers falling to 14.  what if Peterson, Green and Dareus are gone by the time we pick?
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Like I have said for a long time: If you draft for need, you're going to suck because you are always going to have lot's of needs.
If you are a player away...sure, go ahead....besides that, forget it.
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he has Bowers falling to 14.
what if Peterson, Green and Dareus are gone by the time we pick?
I then throw my hands in the air...lol...
That would mean a QB is there probably...I HOPE Shanahan loves said QB and wants to get ahead of Frisco... 
Then it's open for a Jones/Amakumura/Quinn/Fairley/Jordan...
We STAY at 6 and one has to think it would be a Jones or Quinn???????...How much does Heckert like Amakumura???
Don't say that...You're scarin' me...
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I've seen a few mocks like this,with PP falling to us,but in two we pass on him and in two others we take him.
I'm still very curious about the two players Heckert has a bullseye on.One has to be PP.
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The Bengals want out of their slot more than any team out there. If Gabbert is there at 4 the Redskins will move up for him. The Bengals like Julio Jones as he is the anti TO and OCHo. Great kid and great personality but they dont want to take him at 4.
The Cards are another that are looking to trade back. I think there is a very good chance someone that is in love with Peterson makes the jump. The Cards have love for Von Miller and Aldon Smith. Miller will be gone but they can trade down and still get smith.
Our best options here, once again are Green, Quinn and Fairley. I am not sure that Green would be the pick with holmgren coming from the walsh philosophy of no WR in the first. Fairley fits that Andy Reid/Tom Heckert mold just to well. Quinn is the longer shot.
Even if Peterson is there, I could see Heckert going with Fairley.
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I was okay with this until I saw Brooks Reed taken, but no sign of Justin Houston...
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he has Bowers falling to 14.
what if Peterson, Green and Dareus are gone by the time we pick?
I then throw my hands in the air...lol...
That would mean a QB is there probably...I HOPE Shanahan loves said QB and wants to get ahead of Frisco...
Then it's open for a Jones/Amakumura/Quinn/Fairley/Jordan...
We STAY at 6 and one has to think it would be a Jones or Quinn???????...How much does Heckert like Amakumura???
Don't say that...You're scarin' me...
I take Jones.
He may be as good or better than Green IMO
I would like the trade down and still get Jones and a 2nd rounder. that would be the Redskins.
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End of the college season, Hayden was one of the top players on our board. After all the over analysis most had him falling into the teens. We took him.
End of the college season, Fairley was 1 or 2 on just about everyone's board. Now over analysis has him falling to the titans. I know a lot arent gonna like it but damn, he just fits in so many ways. Quick feet, long arms and athleticism. he fits. Personally, I would take AJ Green but if history is any indication, I see Fairley as a Brown.
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Fairley was #2 (behind Dareus) on my Browns board until the comment about "(I'll play) anywhere. As long as it's warm."
Now he's just #2.
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Heckert loves the DB's and has done a fine job drafting them.
Although I understand the D line concerns the thought of Haden and PP makes me giddy!
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You build teams with o-line and corners. That being said, if we have an oppurtunity to get Peterson and pass on him... someone needs to be shot. Unless of course Green is there still.
If both are gone, then get the best DL left or reach for Julio. Either way we are getting better at either position and filling major needs.
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I'd take Peterson in a heartbeat if he's there, who wouldn't? I can't imagine Heckert would pass on him if he's there, question is, will he be there? I personally doubt it. There are only four players I consider value at spot 6: Dareus, Miller, Green & Peterson, and I don't think any of them will be there when we pick. IMO, the QBs don't stack up, and one of them could fall down the board. I also think Fairly, Quinn and Jones are reaches at six. So we either get lucky, reach, or trade down. I hope we get lucky.
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if Peterson is there at 6, it would not surprise me if Heckert gets a call for a trade, because there is REALLY no way the 49ers let him by. So any team wanting Peterson would have to jump the 9ers.
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Heckert loves the DB's and has done a fine job drafting them.
Although I understand the D line concerns the thought of Haden and PP makes me giddy!
Yeah if it was me ,and PP was sitting there,bam!
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I was okay with this until I saw Brooks Reed taken, but no sign of Justin Houston...
Houston > Reed
Reed I think has better football instincts then Houston imo.
But yes I did consider the source 
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I hope H&H agrees with taking Peterson if he is available.
If he is gone and we go DL then I would hope we don't make the same mistake many others have made in recent Draft history of taking a pass rusher and one trick pony over a 3 down DL prospect like a Cameron Jordan or Nick Fairly.
Peterson I think is still a long shot to fall to us at 6, so I am not getting my hopes set too high there.
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I get the feeling that if Peterson is there when we pick there will be some very juicy offers to trade down. And we will accept one of those offers.
From what Peter King says the Texans really want Peterson. If we get a great offer to move down to pick #11 and then still get Cameron Jordan or Aldon Smith I would be very happy.
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I think it would be awesome if we could Butch Davis the Niners if we weren't taking Peterson.
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#11 pick and Mario Williams for the #6 pick. Done deal!
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Peterson's availability at 6 is our best possible scenario for either our selection or a possibility of trading down for some more picks. Gabbert is another, but I can see many possibilities for a combination of picks for instance; we trade down and take a Cameron Jordan with the pick we traded the 6th pick for and use a package of picks including the 37th selection to move back into the 3rd tier of the 1st round and draft Gabe Carimi. To have both of those prospects selected before we select again in the 3rd round would be a fantastic start to our draft imo.
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for the Browns not to have Patrick Peterson on OUR roster... the trading team would have to give me a boatload of picks... this year and next.
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If we traded back into the 1st round I definitely wouldn't want it to be for Carimi.
A guy like Jimmy Smith or Phil Taylor would be my preference.
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When you say boatload do you mean quality or quantity? I'm just wondering for clarification.
If a team like Dallas or Houston (not specifics) offers us their #1 which is roughly at 10 (give or take a pick) and then their second as well ... that's slightly tempting to me just to move down 4 spots. If they throw in a 4th, that's already great. A pair of 2's for me (one this year and one next year) to pull the trigger would be lights out, especially as we would still have the ability to draft Bowers, Jones, Jordan, Quinn, Amukamara, maybe even Fairly? ... at least a few of those guys would still be on the board.
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I really would be fine with just a couple of picks from this year's draft.
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Peterson is easily my # 1 target. Thats who I want hands down.
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I can accept that. But let me ask you this.... it all comes down to how bad do you want him? Would you be willing to give up a 3rd to move up two spots to take him? OR (for that matter) would you rather take him than move down 4 spots and hypothetically still land Jordan / Quinn / Bowers as one of the top DE's in the class while still having the ammunition from the trade down to add Austin or Paea as another piece of the DLine?
Personally, as much as I honestly want Peterson, I would probably much rather trade down and take a combination of Julio Jones with the 10th (or so) pick and then draft Reed, Houston, Clayborn, or Heyward (or whatever DE falls) ... then still have the rest of the draft including OUR second rounder than only having 1 coveted player.
New England keeps finding ways to get MORE picks and still find good playmakers. Philadelphia has 10 picks this year as well and I think this is the 3rd time in 4 years that they have had double digit picks (but I might be wrong on that) .... so if the good teams seem like they can add multiple valuable players, why is it that we think just any one guy will be a playmaker?
I am honestly torn whether we should select a potential stud ... or we should move down a few spots and try to grab a few studs ...
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If we traded back into the 1st round I definitely wouldn't want it to be for Carimi.
I understand you have your opinion, but why not?
Just because he doesn't look like JT at LT, but he could possible man the hole at RT and or become the air apparent successor to Stinny at LG, besides offense line men have a far better success rate in the 1st round then just about any other position other then maybe the DT position.
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I think other more talented players would be available if we were to draft in that spot.
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I can accept that. But let me ask you this.... it all comes down to how bad do you want him? Would you be willing to give up a 3rd to move up two spots to take him? OR (for that matter) would you rather take him than move down 4 spots and hypothetically still land Jordan / Quinn / Bowers as one of the top DE's in the class while still having the ammunition from the trade down to add Austin or Paea as another piece of the DLine?
Fair question. Let me clarify my statement. I was remiss in not being clear.
IF we stay at 6 I want Peterson.
If someone wants to move UP to get him or someone else at 6 then I have few problems with moving down, taking the 1st that I'm offered, BUT my decision to do so depends on what else above and beyond I'm offered for the 6 pick. I will tell you this: IF the offer is a 1st and a 3rd I'll decline the offer. You'd best start with a 1st and a 2nd and prolly toss in at least a 4.
I have next to ZERO interest in moving UP to get anyone.
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I know a lot of mocks are projecting AJ Green to Cincinnati but I don't that happens. They just got through 5 years of not winning with a big time receiver...I think they go defense with either Peterson, Fairley, or Quinn
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They also plugged in 2 young WRs late last year who did well.
I could see them wanting a pass rusher or a QB if they feel there is one who they like.
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Understood. That's why I have been torn. We can move in a lot of ways. If we land a top flight player, I will be happy (although there are a few I would want over others).
If we pick up an additional high pick or two to trade down and turn the trade into 2 or 3 starters instead of 1 "elite" prospect, I will be happy.
If we take a less than flashy pick (ala haden last year) but he is a solid player I will still be happy.
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I'd challenge that New England has turned all those extra picks into better talent. Beside the 2010 draft which appears to be a very very solid draft, the results from prior years are pretty average IMO
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I can buy that, but let me add in then it depends on a few factors. If you already have a solid team, then how many starters do you expect per draft?
The Browns might need to get 2 to 3 starters and then an additional rotational player with maybe 1 or 2 practice squad/developmental guys? So we need to "hit" on maybe 4 of the 6 or 7 picks per year, and then have the jury out on one or two more in my opinion... feel free to disagree.
A team like New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Baltimore ... (the *haves*) might only get 2 to 3 guys out of 7 that even get play time, maybe 1 starter and then the rest are developmental ... so 1 or 2 solid contributors and then another 3 to 4 to be groomed ... and maybe they need to hit on 2 to 3 with the jury out on 1 or two more ...
But then when you see the quanitity that the Pats have had of picks ... it's hard to select 11 guys and then have all of them make it even on the Browns' squad ... how many late round fliers are going to make it on New England?
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12 picks in 2010
12 picks in 2009
7 in 2008
9 in 2007
10 in 2006
7 in 2005
8 in 2004
10 in 2003
6 in 2002 ...
WOW 2002 was the last time that they had less than 7 picks ... so I think it might allow them to take more chances on guys than compared to us. If they take a chance on 5 guys and miss on all 5 ... then who cares, they still might have another 4 or 5 picks ... and taking 10 guys that have no questions might mean they don't have a risk but they might not also have the talent. And no way do 10 draft picks make the pats every year ...
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