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don't understand why some of you are sooo down on Bowers.
I think it's a no-brainer to take him if he's there.
If you can get a top 5 talent, even with injury concerns, in the 2nd, I think you take the risk.
His injury concerns are the biggest red-flags we've seen in a while. He could be damaged and done REALLY soon.
And I'm liking the thought of Ayers too. Read this yesterday . . .
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/akeem-ayers-i-dont-run-track-i-play-football/
Akeem Ayers: “I don’t run track. I play football.”
Posted by Evan Silva on April 27, 2011, 1:45 PM EDT
UCLA linebacker Akeem Ayers‘ stock is perceived to be slipping due to disappointing pre-draft workouts. He ran in the 4.80-4.83 range during February’s Combine, and topped out at 4.69 during the Bruins’ Pro Day in March.
Ayers insists that forty times aren’t indicative of his on-field skills. He’s a linebacker, not Usain Bolt.
“That really doesn’t mean anything,” Ayers told the New York Daily News. “I’m not a sprinter. I don’t run track. I’m a football player. … When I’m on the field, I’m not running 4.8. I’m catching people down and running with running backs and rushing the QB.
“That’s pretty clear and obvious when you watch the film.”
Ayers is probably onto something. He was a dominant player in the Pac 10, despite arguably playing out of position at strong-side linebacker in the Bruins’ 4-3. (He’s projected as a 3-4, outside rush linebacker in the pros.) Ayers racked up 29.5 career tackles for loss, 14 sacks, and six interceptions, running two of them back for touchdowns.
Ayers has demonstrated playmaking ability as both a pass rusher and coverage linebacker. Manish Mehta of the Daily News was told by “several scouts” that Ayers is a first-round prospect, and that his stopwatch speed is irrelevant.
“The tape doesn’t lie,” one AFC scout told Mehta. “… He’s going to make some team very happy this week. He’s a steal late in the first round.”
According to Mehta, Ayers is on the New York Jets’ “short list” with the No. 30 pick.
“I’d love to play for Rex (Ryan),” said Ayers. “They have one of the best defenses in the NFL. That’s something I’d definitely look forward to. … It’d be an honor to play for the Jets.”
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1. I want: The BPA for me is clearly CB A.Williams, he's the bump and run CB we covet...I'd be very pleased with DE Sheard, WR Cobb, WR T.Smith though...that's my top 4
Since we now have two 2nds..we should grab a DE /CB and or a WR..
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DE- Sheard/Acho/Reed**only because I know they like him.
OLB-Wright/Foster,I know they like him.
CB's Williams/Curtis Brown/Harris
WR-Torey Smith/Gates
Now what people need to understand ,is we don't have a 3rd ,unless Heckert does something crazy..so one of those 2nd rounders will be a reach..
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Gotta think :
#37: Titus Young, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, O-line..
#59: Justin Houston, Ras-I Dowling
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I haven't seen very much of Justin Houston, but he seems to be a 1-trick player... all speed rush around the edge. He does seem to get off the line very quickly, but he's going to need more pass rush moves if he's going to be successful in the NFL (sound familiar?)
The thing that really bothered me about him though is that when he goes after the QB, he is not a big hitter. QBs were spinning out of hits hits in his highlight reel. We had enough fits with Sanchez and Roethlisberger and Flacco stepping out of sack attempts that I'd much rather get a guy that brings down the QB when he gets to him.
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I have a feeling that we really like James Brewer OT. He would have been perfect for our 3rd rounder. I think we either trade back with #59 or take him there - which could be a bit of a reach.
As for our #37, I have no idea who we take (or who I want us to take). I could see a Wr (Young/Hankerson/Jernigan) but I would prefer Pettis/Salas in round 4/5. I would say with his history that I have the utmost faifh in Heckert's ability to pick Wr's in this range.
We could go Bowers/Reed if one is available. I would prefer Beal Okla in round 4. He is a playmaker who is falling because he "doesn't fit" physically. I have doubts that he will be available that late and suspect we take Elmore DE Arizona. When does Sam Acho go?
A Db is a possibility (Moore/Williams/Dowling) but which one. Mason foster Lb is also in the mix.
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I like James Brewer. I really liked him and Carpenter after the Senior Bowl.
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Plus, didn't he (Houston) fail a drug test at the combine? I think MJ. Not sure. If true this is a real commentary on just how smart he isn't.
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Agree. The more I think about it the more I would like Brewer at #59.
I would add Bruce Carter into the discussion of these picks as well.
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Bruce Carter would be a great pick. Top 15 talent, just has a torn ACL. That is an injury that occurs often and should be able to heal fully.
I would be very happy with a Bruce Carter pick.
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Originally (after senior bowl) I was hoping for Carpenter in the 3rd or Brewer in the 4th. Well, as we've seen with both the QBs and OL, a weak class has resulted in a run on lesser talent. Does that mean we end up spending a second rounder on Brewer or Jah Reid? That would be sad I think. I do like those players, but I don't know that I like them at #59 overall.
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I really don't know if our front office sees O-Line as a priority. Lauvao should be able to step in at right guard and Pork Chop did an admirable job at RT when he played there. Also, when healthy Yates played well also. I think we go O-Line later in the draft.
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe neither Womack nor Yates are currently on the Browns roster. I think they are both Free Agents that we would need to resign. Not sure we can count on them coming back.
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I would like to see you be absolutely correct on that,...but we ought to at least take one, even if in a round later than I admittedly would like, to build on as a right side backup.
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I know Yates is a free agent (possibly restircted). But I think Womack is still under contract.
Correct me someone if I am wrong.
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I agree, and in almost every draft with the Eagles Heckert took an O-Linemen late.
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And I'm liking the thought of Ayers too. Read this yesterday . . .
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/27/akeem-ayers-i-dont-run-track-i-play-football/
Akeem Ayers: “I don’t run track. I play football.”
Posted by Evan Silva on April 27, 2011, 1:45 PM EDT
UCLA linebacker Akeem Ayers‘ stock is perceived to be slipping due to disappointing pre-draft workouts. He ran in the 4.80-4.83 range during February’s Combine, and topped out at 4.69 during the Bruins’ Pro Day in March.
Ayers insists that forty times aren’t indicative of his on-field skills. He’s a linebacker, not Usain Bolt.
“That really doesn’t mean anything,” Ayers told the New York Daily News. “I’m not a sprinter. I don’t run track. I’m a football player. … When I’m on the field, I’m not running 4.8. I’m catching people down and running with running backs and rushing the QB.
“That’s pretty clear and obvious when you watch the film.”
Ayers is probably onto something. He was a dominant player in the Pac 10, despite arguably playing out of position at strong-side linebacker in the Bruins’ 4-3. (He’s projected as a 3-4, outside rush linebacker in the pros.) Ayers racked up 29.5 career tackles for loss, 14 sacks, and six interceptions running two of them back for touchdowns.
Ayers has demonstrated playmaking ability as both a pass rusher and coverage linebacker. Manish Mehta of the Daily News was told by “several scouts” that Ayers is a first-round prospect, and that his stopwatch speed is irrelevant.
“The tape doesn’t lie,” one AFC scout told Mehta. “… He’s going to make some team very happy this week. He’s a steal late in the first round.”
According to Mehta, Ayers is on the New York Jets’ “short list” with the No. 30 pick.
“I’d love to play for Rex (Ryan),” said Ayers. “They have one of the best defenses in the NFL. That’s something I’d definitely look forward to. … It’d be an honor to play for the Jets.”
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Nice article, ya already know I'm wanting this pick,  We gotta get this guy !
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gotta think we are gonna take a receiver this round. Only question is, is which one do we take?
Torrey Smith Maryland
Randall Cobb Kentucky
Titus Young Boise State
Jerrel Jernigan Troy
Edmund Gates Abilene Christian
Leonard Hankerson Miami
Greg Salas Hawaii
Greg Little North Carolina
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I felt that way this morning, but I don't think taking a WR tonight is a given at all.
And I have no idea which of those guys Heckert might like the most?
Too bad about Little being a knucklehead, cause he's got talent out the ears. Possibly better hands than A.J. Green.
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gotta think we are gonna take a receiver this round. Only question is, is which one do we take?
Torrey Smith Maryland
Randall Cobb Kentucky
Titus Young Boise State
Jerrel Jernigan Troy
Edmund Gates Abilene Christian
Leonard Hankerson Miami
Greg Salas Hawaii
Greg Little North Carolina
I'd be surprised if Gates, Hankerson, or Salas are drafted in the 2nd.
My gut tells me we go D with both picks in this round. And I wouldn't be surprised if we don't take a WR until 5-7, or not at all - we have young receivers, and I'd think that instead we'd be looking at a veteran FA once FA opens (Holmes, Rice, James Jones, Sims-Walker, Floyd).
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Heckert has repeatedly said that he likes our WR's. Is it possible that he is telling the truth?
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I agree with a WR in FA . But if we did go WR in the second what is wrong with Tandon Doss, I noticed he wasn't listed. I have seen him rated ust below Young and above Hankerson. He seems to have good hands and polished route running. Also good size.
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Tandon Doss is a guy I've wanted all along.
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Heckert has repeatedly said that he likes our WR's. Is it possible that he is telling the truth?
Yeah, but does he think one of them might still blossom into a #1 ?
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Who knows, maybe they will blossom in this new offense. I am not so sure of that, but maybe he is.
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Who knows, maybe they will blossom in this new offense. I am not so sure of that, but maybe he is.
If he is sure, and he is right, then that would be great and we can use that pick/free agency money on something else...
I thought Colt McCoy said the Browns were going to get him some weapons in the draft? Is that something he got from the team or maybe HE is not as content with the WRs...
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McShay has us going Bowers and Titus Young. Kiper has us with Titus Young with the 1st and pick, then Justin Houston.
I would be pretty happy if we could move down from one of these picks and pick up that 3rd rounder that we traded for Taylor.
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I think what he meant was any QB would like more weapons. Not they are going to draft a WR.
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McShay has us going Bowers and Titus Young.
I would be pretty darned excited if this were the case. I don't really trust Turd McShay for anything, though.
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Bowers at 37 and Randall Cobb at 59 
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Just heard on The Fan, here in C-Bus that Paul Warfield is announcing, at least, our first pick this evening.
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Bowers at 37 and Randall Cobb at 59
This is probably my dream scenario... but I don't think Cobb will be there.
Of course, I thought Carpenter would be there at 59 and he went a whole round earlier.
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Who knows, maybe they will blossom in this new offense. I am not so sure of that, but maybe he is.
If he is sure, and he is right, then that would be great and we can use that pick/free agency money on something else...
I thought Colt McCoy said the Browns were going to get him some weapons in the draft? Is that something he got from the team or maybe HE is not as content with the WRs...
that is reportedly what McCoy said, but he didn't say what round they'd get him help. there is still time to get him the help he needs...
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Bowers at 37 and Randall Cobb at 59
or Brooks Reed at 37 and Jerrel Jernigan at 59 ...
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Bowers at 37 and Randall Cobb at 59
I want Bowers.....a few mocks I have seen had him going number one overal before the knee stuff came out. If heckert isnt worried about the knee then neiher am I. WE GOTTA GET THIS GUY!!!!!
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Bowers wants to be in Cleveland, too.
I can't remember which ESPN show it was, Around the Horn maybe? where Bowers said his favorite visit was to Cleveland.
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Well I am hoping it happens. He is a beast, and is at a need position. And if he wants to be here, then by god we need to get him here. I would be totally ok with this.....would make up for the taylor pick, that I am just not sold on.
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If heckert isnt worried about the knee then neiher am I.
Maybe I'm wrong (probably am) but if they were not worried about the knee would they want to say it? I mean if it was up to me I'd be saying nothing at all and hope everyone else is worried about the knee and let him drop.
If they are saying they aren't worried publicly then maybe it's to let another team take him *coughCINCYcough* and possibly miss on a pick with a player with a bum knee.
I like the Taylor pick and some of the stuff I read that he was the guy they were targeting at #27 but got wind others were looking at him as well and he would be gone before #27.
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"Why trade up from 27 to 21:" is the question many Browns fans asked. One Jets source "in the know" texted me and told me the Browns made the move for Taylor to prevent the Jets from doing the same. WKNR out of Cleveland reported early Friday morning that the Philadelphia Eagles were looking to make a similar move. web page
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[If they are saying they aren't worried publicly then maybe it's to let another team take him *coughCINCYcough* and possibly miss on a pick with a player with a bum knee.
Or maybe they are saying they aren't worried about his knee, trying to make people think they really are, when they are actually telling the truth, and they aren't, causing him to fall! 
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if Heckert wasn't worried about Bowers knee don't you think we would have stayed put and taken him at #27?
I don't think many teams would have a healthy Bowers under really any player taken after #12 at the very least.
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Everything I have read, an seen about taylor screams bust.....Im not happy with the pick at all. Now if Bowers happens to be there I would be stoked, and just put it in my head that Bowers was our first, and Taylor was our second haha.....
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