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When we selected Buster, and we posted his 40 time on here, I immediately thought this was for Mike Wallace and Torry Smith. Wallace was faster than any db in the league. Now we have a db who can at least stay with him in a straight line run

Wow,you're happy?



I'm torn on the draft.
Even though I've read the reasoning behind the moves I'm a bit disappointed.
Why?
First I love the trade but when in looking at the selections and where they were taken I feel TH could have sat still on some spots and not used the 3rd/both 6's to get what he wanted.

Now if someone knows wthat other teams were trying to move up to get Taylor/Pinkston fine..

I thought another front 7 player was in the works in the 4th when we took Cameron..what no LB?

We don't have a LB with range and speed,and I'm not counting on Jackson..
The trade was excellent though.For once we got value for a tradedown plus extra picks for next year and I hear thats a good LB class.


So,as I repeat I had Taylor in one of my mocks along with Sheard/Hagg.
Fine No need to rehash what they are..I just didn't think the Browns would look at them..
Yes I even had Little in some thinking Torey Smith the Maryland WR would be gone.
Not having the third rounder I thought hampered us once again..some good players including Mason Foster LB were there..

Cannot overlook we haven't had a 3rd rounder in 4 years.
I can see the Jordan Cameron pick,thats just not what I would have done there. Acho/Ballard Jalil Brown CB would have been my picks.
The FB Marecic ? No way I saw that coming and I said in the chat I hated that pick that early,even if Vickers is gone..I would have taken Cortez Allen CB there.
Pinkston,yes good pick thought he was a 3rd rounder but I wonder if it was necessary to giveup both 6's to grab him?
Hagg?On my FS list so I'm happy with that.
Overall I got that good feeling for the first three and a WHAT THE? on the next two..
But the irony is the one draft the national media and some of you really like,I'm lukewarm on..

Hindsight Mock:
Would have stayed at 27 so my mock looks like this:

27-Wilkerson/Taylor if he was there,if not Wilkerson becomes my DT
37-Sheard DE
59 -Little WR ? I can't say I would or wouldn't have drafted him.
70-Mason Foster OLB; thats my pick here.
102 -Acho DE
124- Allen CB
137- Pinkston OG* I'll take him here
168-Love OT
172-David Carter DT
248 -Hagg FS

So that 's how my draft would go.

I would have selected Burton from a talent and value standpoint but Skrine makes sense...Skrine was a good pick at that point...when what the FO does makes sense I have no problem with, in fact I applaud it...believe it or not, I want our FO to succeed as much as anyone on here

I believe it. I don't think there is anyone on here that doesn't want them to succeed. Vers has taken a lot of heat for his opinions on the other board. He had some good things to say about the draft as well.

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Vers has taken a lot of heat for his opinions on the other board

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There is another board?

This was a weird draft. If Colt had been in this years draft class he may have gone top 10 lol All of these kids that were taken the first 3 rounds had talent dont get me wrong but normal year does Ponder go in the first 3 rounds?

The linebacker class was horrid. I would not be the least bit surprised if we had less than 4 linebackers from this class still playing in the league. Moch and Von Miller were like the TE we drafted. major upside but major projects. Kid from UNC was the best of the bunch but he is recovering from a torn ACL.

DB class was almost as bad as the linebacker class. Peterson was realistically the only DB worth a first round pick. Prince and Smith would have been 3rd rounders in last years class. the 2 projects we landed cant be any worse than the rasi dowling types that went in the 2nd round. Major reaches for guys that cant cover.

The OT class was full of second round caliber tackles. From Solder to Carimi to sherrod, carepenter, smith were all project tackles. We all had favorites of this group but need created reaching and this class of tackles majorly benefited from it.

Incredibly strong DT and DE class and boy we got 2 terrific ones. Might have been worth more of an investment in this area but I imagine we will tap the free agent market in this area as well.

Great 2nd level RB class. There were rbs that went undrafted that have more talent than the dbs that went in the 2nd round. I wanted us to grab one but heck now we can get a couple as undrafteds.

Receiver may have been the second strongest position behind DT. All those 2nd and 3rd round receivers were worthy of 1st round interest especially in this weak class full of reaches. I think it will go down as one of the best receiver classes ever and thats with Julio being a bust lol

TE weak class.

I dont know all and all this was the strangest draft I have ever seen. I look round by round at the players drafted and where they went and I am just amazed.

Von Miller is a project?

One trick pony trying to learn more tricks.

J/C

i'll have more when i have more time to write, but the Vickers thing made me sad this weekend.

i was worried the NO game may have ended his Brown's tenure (remember he dropped 2 easy balls from McCoy in that game and his chances for receptions went down a ton the rest of the year).

possible he just had a bad game, but his hands were suspect before that game and we went out and found someone known for being a little better in that aspect. hopefully he is as ferocious a blocker as Vickers was in his time here (on offense and STs).

the good thing is that if we do decide to part ways, there should be no shortage of teams willing to give us a draft pick (no, not a good one for a FB, but at least we should get something for compensation)

Vickers is a UFA. He's gone.

We'll miss you, man. Please don't go to the Steelers or Ravens.

guess I should have said he "likely will be" UFA. He was RFA before the lockout started, but wasn't tendered an offer before the deadline.

If he wasn't tendered by the deadline, then he should be a UFA.

ok, i'll keep the format the same as the original post. makes sense too because in each of our first 3 picks case, I was initially a bit disappointed because I had my heart set on a different player. but, I still think we did well with our picks overall.

since you mentioned it, I would have been all over that trade down once Dareus, Peterson, and Green were off the board. 2x1st,1x2nd, 2x4th - for one pick of a player outside of this draft's elite players. Sign me up.

the 2nd trade. well, it wasn't for the guy who I wanted as badly, but considering the amount of noise of other teams who were considering trading up for him, I'd say it was a trade we had to make if we wanted Phil Taylor.

#21 Actual Pick - Phil Taylor: I am also happy we went DL with our first pick. I was worried we would get cute and miss out on the top tiers of DL in this draft. We traded back and still got one of the tier2 DTs (after Dareus and Fairley). I honestly hadn't considered him all that much as a 4-3 DT because I assumed he would get snatched up before he ever got to us at #37. I like the idea of him being our Pat Williams though.
My Grade: B+
Who I would have taken: Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal

#37 Actual Pick - Jabaal Sheard: Again, like that we continued to build our DL. Biggest area of concern switching to the 4-3 is that we didn't have the horses up front. Well, we are starting to build there now. Sheard isn't the flashiest of players. He isn't the super-small fast DE that I thought Heckert was going after. He plays with great technique and leverage (making him seem to play stronger). And, he was a guy I was hoping to get with #59 if we decided to go WR with this pick.
My Grade: B
Who I would have taken: Justin Houston, DE, Georgia (I know he went #70, but I'm going on what I would have done at the time of that pick)

#59 Actual Pick - Greg Little: I both love and fear this pick. First, the guy is a converted RB who played second fiddle in his time at WR (so hasn't had to face the best CBs yet) and missed the entire season due to the UNC-scandal. But, he is also a guy who is physical, tough, and has the RB-quickness that lends itself to YAC. And, is a completely different type of WR than what we have on our roster (and one which we need). I would have liked this pick alot more though if a guy who plays much the same way but without the red flags wasn't also on the board.
My Grade: A-
Who I would have taken: DeSean Jackson....i.e. Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky

#102 Actual Pick - Jordan Cameron: I thought for sure we were going RT here. Especially with board favorite James Brewer on the board (I haven't seen enough of him myself). If we don't trust Moore to stay healthy, then this pick makes sense as I expect alot of 2TE sets (always been a Holmgren 'pet' formation). Or we had him on another plane from all the other TE-prospects and really think he can be a redzone weapon. Wait and see with this pick.

Oh, and it's pretty obvious what our FO thought of this LB class.
My Grade: C+
Who I would have taken: James Brewer, OT, Indiana

#124 Actual Pick - Owen Marecic: I love Vickers and will miss him. Appreciated what he did here. However, I have been sort of preparing myself for this pick since the NO game (Vickers dropping 2 really easy dump-off passes from McCoy), so I wasn't all that heartbroken. In fact, it's really best that we went out and got the best replacement that we could for him rather than just patching something together if we were set on letting him go (WCO-FB already).
My Grade: B
Who I would have taken: Davon House, CB, New Mexico

#137 Actual Pick - Buster Skrine: I don't know much about this Chatanooga kid other than what I have read. Everything says he's ridiculously fast and freakishly strong with great leaping ability. But, he has bad hands and poor tackling technique. So, we went Al Davis on this pick. Being that it's a 5th rounder, taking a project with the physical skills doesn't upset me, but I would have preferred a more polished CB in round4 when there were still a couple on the board.
My Grade: C+
Who I would have taken: Ahmad Black, S, Florida

#150 Actual Pick - Jason Pinkston: I like Pinkston alot, just not as an OT. Heckert has already confirmed he will be an OG for us and possibly a backup OT in the future. Paying the #170 pick to ensure we got who I had as by far the best remaining guy on the board is a pittance. I expect Pinkston to contribute. It also gives us protection if we lose Yates and we don't know what the FO really thinks of Lauvao (he played poorly in limited time, but was he still injured? etc.)
My Grade: A
Who I would have taken: Jason Pinkston, OG, Pitt

#248 Actual Pick - Eric Hagg: I wasn't really high or low on Hagg. He was considered by most to be a 'safe' pick in the 6th-UDFA and I agree with that. nothing flashy, but good technique. strange that last year we seemed to go for the guys with huge upside but projects late in the draft and outside of Skrine, we went the opposite this draft.

also, positions of need were pretty much hit by this point, so S makes sense. I preferred the guy I list below, but the only other position of need we didn't touch upon are MLB and backup-RB. RB should be do-able in UDFA or FA, and MLB has some intriguing prospects (Barnett is still my first choice if GB lets him go)
My Grade: B+
Who I would have taken: Deandre McDaniel, S, Clemson

Best Pick: #150 Jason Pinkston
Worst Pick: #137 Buster Skrine
Overall Grade: A --- Yes, I am also counting the 1st and 4th round draft picks in the 2012 draft. Those were acquired as part of this draft, so they count. Also, passing on Julio Jones to draft DL is apart of this grade while also focusing on needs while not making blatant reaches. Now, let's hope that we get to see them all help the Browns in a 2011 season.

Summary of players I'd have drafted after trade-down:
#21 Jordan Cameron, DE
#37 Justin Houston, DE
#59 Randall Cobb WR
#102 James Brewer OT
#124 Davon House, DB, New Mexico
#137 Ahmad Black, S
#150 Jason Pinkston, OG
#248 DeAndre McDaniel, S

Really glad we didn't take Black from Florida. Hes undersized and slow, dont know too many undersized slow safeties that make it in the NFL.

Also, Skrine is 5'9 1/2". Dude, your argument is/was terrible. As I already said, Brandon Flowers hasn't let his height hold him back.

I agree about the picks, Damanshot. What a great move to "hedge" this draft. You can cover a few picks that don't pan out, pick a great guy available, or bundle them for further board movement next year, or FA trades. That is a lot of wallop for a 6 imo. And OM impresses me. Seems like Hillis in a different skin.

Theoretically speaking. We have 2 first rounders next year If Colts stinks up the place. Which I dont think he will . We could theoretically jump on a QB next year. hmmmm

What would I have done differently?
I wouldn't have taken a tight end or a fullback anywhere in this draft.

The 4-3 needs lots of defensive ends, they should have taken 2 more.

The Browns keep drafting tight ends, ( winslow) when they need receivers or already have tight ends, ( Extandia, Campbell, Shea)

The reason your tight end isn't any better might be because nobody has to cover a wide receiver because they don't respect yours.

If you're switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3 then this team could bring in 3 legitimat defensive ends right now and not have too many.

The 4-3 can never have too many defensive ends unless the middle d tackle spots are empty , but once you get the middle tackles, you can not have too many defensive ends, you need more and more and more of them all the time, and thats a reason to hate the 4-3, the 3-4 was better.

I cant beleive they took a tight end and a fullback

Yeah... I'm with you, TL.

after the 2nd round.. the talent at the DE spot dropped tremendously... i don't agree w/ the TE & FB picks, but just drafting DE's just because you are short of them isnt always the answer.

Considering we have Sheard, Benard, and Mitchell.. we really only need maybe 2 more guys for depth.. 1 more for sure.

Watching that game against the Jets made me feel better about the drafting of a TE. I like Watson but if he had a 6 inch vertical, he would have made 2 huge game changing plays in that game alone.

With or without Vickers, the Marecic pick was an excellent decision. He is another that fits in that mold with Cribbs and Hillis. You can't have enough of those types.

I read in an article this morning that Little and Cameron have been in attending Camp Colt.

Yeah... but so was Vickers... and now he's probably gone. No net gain, but lost the 4th-rounder.

I thought Little didn't attend, just Cameron.

and in regards to the Watson passes that should have been TD's... Colt just put a little too much on it IMO. But you are right, totally different game if he catches those.

and with Moore's tendency to get injured, we will probably see Cameron RIGHT AWAY.. I think Shurmur is going to use the heck out of ALL the guys we have running routes, both WR's and TE's.

I see Mitchell and Little stepping it up, and Cameron will get a little action.

Shurmur is excited about the news he has heard that the players—particularly on offense-- are getting together and working on the offense with Colt McCoy. The players met in Austin, Texas and last week at Baldwin-Wallace College in Berea.

“I think it’s terrific that our guys are taking on some leadership roles and make sure the guys get together,” Shurmur said. “Some of our key guys and that’s a good thing.

“We know what we read because we haven’t been able to communicate,” he said. “But from what I’ve seen, (McCoy’s) done a good job in preparing the guys.”

Even a couple of the Browns’ newest draft choices in Greg Little and Jordan Cameron have been at the workouts.

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I was pretty sure there was a report saying Little was not there, and a few people on the board were already complaining about it..

We needed the fullback and he was the best in that regard. It is obvious Vickers was going to cost more then we wanted to pay for a guy who can't catch or run.

The TE pick...I agree, a bit of a head scratcher....all I can figure is he was the highest rated player at that point.

We'll just have to see how it evolves....if he turns in to a top player, nobody is going to admit being against the selection.

I agree with Cameron must have been top rated player at that point. If my memory is functioning correctly, that pick was on of the fastest one's we put in throught the entire draft. There was no waiting to see if any team wanted to move up to the front of the round stuff.

I'm intrigued to see if we see Jordan Cameron as more of a TE or a WR. Marques Colston comes to mind as a TE in college who was converted into an Anquan Boldin type WR in the NFL.

Just a thought that it may have been another 'bolster the WR corps' pick.

He runs almost a 4.6 40.

I don't see him as a WR, except maybe in specific packages. He should match up well against LBs and S though. His size should be an advantage if he's matched up against smaller CB .... but he's not going to outrun them.

We already could have one of the slowest WR corps even without him at WR.

or we could have drafted a RT in the 4th to give the slow WRs we have more time to get open