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Define innocent? Are you so naive that you don't think innocents are killed in wars? Need i remind you:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327
Maybe that's why religion isn't for me. There are no absolutes just a bunch of things open to interpretation and rationalization.
If you think my post was to claim war doesn't claim innocent lives, you must have read it too quickly or dismissed it without reading. As far as I'm concerned the story in the rolling stone article amounts to premeditated murder and isn't warfare. Innocent lives have been taken since the dawn of man no matter if it was war or not. I fully agree with you on the interpretation of the bible being well open to dilution and manipulation; its been the key factor in my not going back to a church.
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I agree, sorry for derailing the thread to discuss semantics w/ Loki lol. Osama got what was coming to him. It took almost 10 years but justice was done.
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Leave it to DT to get political on a night we should be celebrating. This board is unreal...
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LOL....we can be happy and still debate. You of all people should know this.
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Maybe that's why religion isn't for me
Then why did you bring religion into this topic?
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I think everyone feels that way. We all wanted the day where someone would pay. However, it's anti-climatic after all these years when he has been but a figure head for the movement. I understand the symbolism, but this is not an end of anything substantial at this point.
It began to become political with the President's speech tonight, and it will become more and more political.....none of us can stop it and there is nothing wrong with discussing it.
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I think expressing themselves about an individual's death isn't political in itself; however, certain members seem to feel the need to push that ordinary statement into something political.
Initially I thought that 'no, expressing one's feelings about a death isn't political' in itself, but I do see how it is.
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Well, it was time to pay the piper Osama. Must have been a tough one for ya.
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Well, it was time to pay the piper Osama. Must have been a tough one for ya.
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AND BTW.. remember when Obama was showing respect to Pakistan, and there were those who were very critical of how he pronounced the name of the country, how he met with their leaders..etc.
Sometimes, when you want people to help you, by holding out an olive branch instead of dictating to people, you get more help!
Truth.
Not really.
Reports are that we went in to Pakistan without telling the Pakistanis to avoid tipping bin Laden off. This wasn't cooperation, it was taking matters into ur own hands .... and I applaud it in this case.
There is no way in hell that bin Laden was in Pakistan proper without their intelligence services knowing. I'm happy that we got in and did the job before they could warn bin Laden.
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Because Obama is a Christian. He issued a kill order. He issued an order to take a man's life. He deserves credit for issuing that order that went against his religion. Its easy for us to say that anyone would have but the fact remains he gave the order which ended in the taking of a persons life. He deserves credit for it and he also deserves the guilt ,if any, for that order. The day when it becomes easy for the President to issue kill orders or to go to war is the day that, that President should no longer be in office.
Also that's interesting Ytown cause in the video/speech it seemed he gave the Pakistanis credit for helping. I hope that the name of the man who killed him is never released as it would endanger him and everyone he cares for.
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I don't like Obama ..... and I disagree with almost everything he's done since he was elected ..... but I'm certain that he didn't have an easy time issuing a kill order .... and I'm sure it will weigh heavily upon him for the rest of his life. I think he knows that it was the right thing to do, but that still doesn't ease the fact that he ordered a man's death .. no matter how much he deserved to die.
The President's main responsibility is to protect the nation .... and this was a step in protecting the nation.
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WOW! Osama Bin Laden is dead! Great News!
Let's not soil this with Religion or Politics... It's a job well done, finally.
As to Obama taking credit, I'm happy he said I, I, I, and Me, Me, Me... He did not state which branch or which particular troops or organization... He left only himself as a target for retribution. I give him props for that.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-killed/story?id=13505703&page=2 Osama bin Laden, hunted as the mastermind behind the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, has been killed, President Obama announced tonight. The president called the killing of bin Laden the "most significant achievement to date" in the effort to defeat al Qaeda. "Justice has been done," Obama said. Bin Laden was located at a compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, which was monitored and when the time was determined to be right, the president said, he authorized a "targeted operation." "A small team of Americans carried out the operation," Obama said. "After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body." DNA testing confirmed that it was bin Laden, sources told ABC News. Obama said tonight that he was briefed last August on a possible but "far from certain" lead to bin Laden, but it took many months for the intelligence community to "run this thread to ground." "I met repeatedly with my National Security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located Bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan," the president said. "Finally, last week I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice," he said. Sources said the attack was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command forces working with the CIA. Vice President Biden briefed Republican congressional leaders this evening on the operation, which had been kept secret until shortly before the p resident's announcement tonight. Former President George W. Bush said in a statement tonight that Obama called him to inform him of the news of bin Laden's death. Bush called the operation a "momentous achievement" that "marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001. "I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude," the former president said in a statement. "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done." Outside the White House, a crowd of about 200 people has gathered with American flags. They are singing the Star Spangled banner and chanting "USA USA" This major development in the war on terror comes just days after Obama announced significant changes to his national security team. Last week the president announced that CIA Director Leon Panetta will replace Secretary of Defense Robert Gates when he retires this summer. Gen. David Petraeus, the nation's most high-profile soldier, will become the head of the CIA.
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j/c Now that we've killed the Saudi-funded Saudi who instructed other Saudis to fly planes into our buildings in Pakistan, can we go ahead and leave Iraq and Afghanistan? 
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Now that we've killed the Saudi-funded Saudi who instructed other Saudis to fly planes into our buildings in Pakistan, can we go ahead and leave Iraq and Afghanistan?
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AND BTW.. remember when Obama was showing respect to Pakistan, and there were those who were very critical of how he pronounced the name of the country, how he met with their leaders..etc.
Sometimes, when you want people to help you, by holding out an olive branch instead of dictating to people, you get more help!
Truth.
Not really.
Reports are that we went in to Pakistan without telling the Pakistanis to avoid tipping bin Laden off. This wasn't cooperation, it was taking matters into ur own hands .... and I applaud it in this case.
There is no way in hell that bin Laden was in Pakistan proper without their intelligence services knowing. I'm happy that we got in and did the job before they could warn bin Laden.
I agree...and that is what I heard.
Forget the joint effort...they never wanted him captured.
I have also heard we buried him at sea....
You lay them out like John Dillinger for the world to see.
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I saw a report that said we offered the remains to Saudi Arabia and they declined.
And parading around his body is the worst thing we could do. That and provide him a burial where he can be hailed as a martyr.
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Thanks....I want to see the body on a board.
You don't capture and kill public enemy #1, then dump the body at sea.
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I saw a report that said we offered the remains to Saudi Arabia and they declined.
And parading around his body is the worst thing we could do. That and provide him a burial where he can be hailed as a martyr.
He is already a martyr.
I'd just like a little more proof. Maybe it will yet come.
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They probably disposed of the body in the same place they put the set for the moon shot NASA used in 69.
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They probably disposed of the body in the same place they put the set for the moon shot NASA used in 69.
I just find it odd, that's all.
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I agree that it's difficult to take the word of this administration on something as significant as this news but I can't see them parading around pictures of a dead guy when it took them two years to show us a picture of a birth certificate. The admin is in a bit of a rock and a hard place on this one. If they show the pic, they're going to enrage the muslim world and there's really no reason to further stoke that flame. Burying him at sea ends robs them of the body to martyr, it won't stop it but it should significantly reduce it. So we have an instant conspiracy; where is the real body of bin laden? His followers will claim he's not dead or he's been dead for years but the US didn't get him. There's really no winning this one and I think they took the option with the best odds for a positive US outcome.
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Salutes to the Special Forces Team who finally took out obl. More importantly Thoughts and Prayer to the brave service members who paid the ultimate price or were wounded in trying to do the same.
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As do I.
Neat and tidy, no evidence that it was him... location of the dumping "undisclosed". You'd have a better chance of finding Hoffa.
My first thought on it was that the order was nothing but campaign fodder for 2012. Birth "certificate" last week, deliver bin Laden this week.
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That made less sense than the first thing I questioned. I'll be done with you at this point.
He's noting your anti-Obama bias is what is causing you and others to see "me me me, I, I, I", as it was put a few posts back, in his speech. Its not a coincidence that the people who are pointing out their perceived flaws with the speech are the ones who hate Obama the most.
I for one am glad its done and over, and I am also honest enough to admit its a little bit more satisfying that Bush didn't get him because I really didn't like Bush.
On the other hand, I wish I had gotten the news while I was still over there instead of at home on my computer. Man would that have been one hell of a morale booster.
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I for one am glad its done and over, and I am also honest enough to admit its a little bit more satisfying that Bush didn't get him because I really didn't like Bush.
Sucks to be you. The intelligence that led to this came from Gitmo four years ago. I give Obama a lot of credit. he attacked a sovereign nation with the use of ground troops, without permission.
I'm glad it wasn't Bush. He would be blasted for this kind of action. 
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btw, Jules doesn't have any anti Obama agenda or bias. She doesn't like him but she didn't like Bush either. Unlike some of us she sticks to her beliefs no matter who gets elected.
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Glad the scumbag is dead. I don't care who the President is, I don't care who the President was, I don't care what the President said, I don't care about any of that.
To me, this guy deserved to die as much as anyone ever has.
However, I don't think this means we can automatically just cut in Afghanistan and take off. I don't think that mission was as much about Bin-Laden as it was making sure Afghanistan wasn't a hotbed of terrorism (we can debate the success of that or not). Taking out Bin-Laden doesn't mean our mission was successful. As others have said, I wouldn't be surprised if the other side uses the ol' martyr angle.
However, we can play this to the "no matter how long it takes us, we'll find you" angle.
In the end, I'm glad he's dead. It'll be interesting to see the fallout on this.
On a side note, could you imagine if you were the President and last week, someone came to you and said "hey, we think we got Bin Laden, but we want to run DNA tests to be sure, so don't tell anyone." Could you imagine sitting on that info?
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Believe it or not.....I am pretty much non emotional either way on this event. In some ways I am relieved it is finally over. But I don't really feel any 'joy' or 'elation'. The man has been a non issue and out of the loop in Al Queda for some time now that this is merely symbolic. And the taking of a life , no mater how heinous that life may be, is not a cause for celebration for me.
It's done. Unfortunately, it needed to be done. That is the sad part in all of this. I am glad to hear no US men were lost in the final conflict. It is all political now. Do not kid yourself to think otherwise. This event will be twisted by both sides and ruin any possible good that may have come from the actual event.
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I have also heard we buried him at sea....
You lay them out like John Dillinger for the world to see.
Agreed, I don't get that either.
We weren't trying to hide anything were we. 
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On a side note, could you imagine if you were the President and last week, someone came to you and said "hey, we think we got Bin Laden, but we want to run DNA tests to be sure, so don't tell anyone." Could you imagine sitting on that info?
Hell no! It would be unbearable. I think we should cut and run. The only reason we should be there is to drive out terrorist. For the most part that mission is complete. As far as I am concerned the Taliban is a political group.
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