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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



Just saying.








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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



Just saying.







Agreed,, still, to meet up with your new teammates, do some film study.. Nothing dangerous,, I can see that being fine..


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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



Just saying.







Agreed,, still, to meet up with your new teammates, do some film study.. Nothing dangerous,, I can see that being fine..




Didnt the article say he was going to do all that...just not risk injury?


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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



Just saying.







Agreed,, still, to meet up with your new teammates, do some film study.. Nothing dangerous,, I can see that being fine..




Didnt the article say he was going to do all that...just not risk injury?




yup, it sure did, but then you got guys like Django that read between lines that don't exist.. Little hasn't signed a contract yet, and Django is already trashing the guy..


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I really wouldn't care about a Bengals draft pick.



I don't care who's drafted rooks without a contract are participating, I call them the dummies.


You wait until they are signed....that is the advice I would give.


A freak accident is all it takes to blow the whole deal.



When holding the winning lottery ticket, most smart people don't drive down the road at 70 MPH to collect while holding the ticket out the window between their thumb and little finger.



Just saying.







Agreed,, still, to meet up with your new teammates, do some film study.. Nothing dangerous,, I can see that being fine..




Didnt the article say he was going to do all that...just not risk injury?




yup, it sure did, but then you got guys like Django that read between lines that don't exist.. Little hasn't signed a contract yet, and Django is already trashing the guy..





Doesnt suprise me.....I think alot of people just pick a player and hate them just to have something to complain about and someone to blame for why we are losing. Greg Little has swagger, he is confident...you want that in a WR...I couldnt care less if he dropkicks every TD he catches as long as he is scoring TD's. If anything he is just the type of player we need....talented and confident!


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Rookies attending non-physical team building activities (with the exception of bowling/frisbee golf/etc) = good.
Rookies blowing out their ACL before they have a contract = bad.

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I agree to a extent that it's not a good idea for rookies to participate during the "Camp McCoy", but I don't want them to be totally out of shape either, so I would hope they could find a happy medium in regards to the activities happening in these sessions, for example I can't see why Little can't play catch or even do sprints and what not since he should be part of his normal routine to begin with, but I do and would understand not having him do full out patterns with tight cuts or any other drill that could raise the possibility of injury, so I feel to an extent he could participate in a way that would not raise injury possibility.

Since they are attending the camps they should at least be doing their normal routine while there, I really don't think that is asking too much and sometimes long physical layoffs can be worse on the body, then someone whose body is able and has been doing a daily workout regiment. I am at least happy though that they are around the playbook and at least can get some of the class work done, so there is a positive mental aspect that I don't think any Browns fan could be upset with, this is a great time for these rookie players to take in the veterans around them, and start the growth process into becoming a NFL player.

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good thing too if u work by yourself... if u do get hurt.. no one else knows..


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You'll be pleased to know that they reportedly did lots of working out at BW., Same at Texas.

So staying in shape is apparenly one of the things they are trying to accomplish...


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o yea.. Greg Little says he already knows the Browns offense.. so no need to fret guys about practice... link

Practice? Practice? We talking about practice? not the game.. but practice?


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I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference.

Dijango is going to hate on this kid for his entire career.

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I don't care what gets said during this lockout garbage. These rookies have been put in a horrible position. I don't think anybody deserves any criticism until they start having issues with any official team activities.

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Hotb,, you misleading folks with those comments..

Here is ACTUALLYwhat Little said..

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APMost draftniks pegged North Carolina wide receiver Greg Little as something of a developmental project because he didn’t play football last year due to an NCAA suspension.

Little was selected by Cleveland with the 59th overall pick, and both the Browns and Little insist he’s ready to contribute right away. Head coach Pat Shurmur believes Little could be his team’s No. 1 receiver. Little, in turn, says he already has a relatively firm grasp on Shurmur’s West Coast offense.

He learned it at North Carolina.

“It’s the same terminology, the same verbiage, exact same calls, everything,” Little told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I think it’s going to be such a smooth transition to where I met with the Cleveland Browns, I knew a lot of their terminology already.”

During the pre-draft process, Little was popularly compared to Mike Williams of the Buccaneers as an exceptionally gifted receiver who’d fall down the board due to off-field issues.

As a rookie in 2010, Williams caught 65 balls for 964 yards and 11 touchdowns. If Little quickly grasps Shurmur’s system as the head coach hopes and the rookie expects, Little could approach Williams’ catch and yardage totals as quarterback Colt McCoy’s go-to guy.






the kid isn't saying he doesn't need to practive, he is saying he's familiar with the Offense we intend to run, The Browns have agreed with that assessment.


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read what i said.. u only mislead yourself. lol.


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Dijango is going to hate on this kid for his entire career.




I will not....believe it or not, I'll be rooting for him to succeed now that he is in fact a Brown, he has the talent and thus a chance....it's just that he was too much a risk for me this high.

You know, it IS possible to not like a pick but still root for the prospect to reach his ceiling....the draft is like betting, you can make risky and sometimes silly bets, sure bets etc....sometimes they work out, sometimes not....in the long run though it's better to make good bets constantly...and I just think Little was a bad bet...but there's always the chance of winning the bet

What I will do is compare his career to Cobb and some later round WRs I really liked (Pettis, Salas, Moore, V.Brown, D.Harris)


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Not, he really isn't. Little said he knows a lot of the terminology and calls because it is very similar or the same as the last offense he was in. Never once did he say he shouldn't practice. Please show us where he did.

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However, Little was a 1st year WR a year ago ... then missed a year. He presumably did not practice with the team, nor did he have a playbook. He would have to have a pretty good memory to have all of the calls down in a situation like that.

He might have a basic understanding of the principles, and some of the calls might be the same ..... but I doubt that (and hope we aren't) running a college offense with college calls.

Maybe I'll be wrong .... and I'd love to be ..... but I think that he's going to struggle ..... and partly because of his "I already know it" attitude.


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Not, he really isn't. Little said he knows a lot of the terminology and calls because it is very similar or the same as the last offense he was in. Never once did he say he shouldn't practice. Please show us where he did.




i never said he shouldn't practice.. i said don't fret about practice, as in those complaining that he is not at "camp colt"...after that i was joking about the famous Allen Iverson presser where he kept saying practice like 100x. If you didn't get it.... i guess u just didn't get it.


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Not, he really isn't. Little said he knows a lot of the terminology and calls because it is very similar or the same as the last offense he was in. Never once did he say he shouldn't practice. Please show us where he did.




i never said he shouldn't practice.. i said don't fret about practice, as in those complaining that he is not at "camp colt"...after that i was joking about the famous Allen Iverson presser where he kept saying practice like 100x. If you didn't get it.... i guess u just didn't get it.




Right, and Iverson said it because he didn't think practice was important. Little says he knows a lot of the offense because it is very similar to his old offense.

Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's how it read to me as well, so maybe it wasn't clear.

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I am not lambasting Little or the pick nor do I care that he wasn't at the first Colt Camp. But, he should be practicing with them.

It's not like they are playing full tackle football here. We are talking about shorts and Ts running route trees and going over plays to make sure everyone is on the same page (Colt calls a play and making sure everyone knows what they are doing on the field). In addition, running precise routes over and over and getting timing down with our young QB.

I don't think anything Little is doing to work out is much less risky than what they are doing at Camp Colt. Might as well get some good will and work done.

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I am not lambasting Little or the pick nor do I care that he wasn't at the first Colt Camp. But, he should be practicing with them.




So... who should be paying his transportation costs? He hasn't seen a red cent yet. The team certainly isn't going to be paying them. Maybe his agent doesn't want to give him the money. It's not cheap to fly across the country on short notice.

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He noted that he will be at the 2nd camp, but not practicing (just participating in the off the field stuff).

I am saying that if he is there, he should be practicing. I don't think it's any more risky than the normal workout stuff he is doing but has more tangible benefits for when playing resumes. That is all.


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ah, yeah. I could see that. either way it's a crappy situation for these rookies.

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I am saying that if he is there, he should be practicing. I don't think it's any more risky than the normal workout stuff he is doing but has more tangible benefits for when playing resumes. That is all.






He'd have to be a complete moron to practice hard.. He's uninsured, he's got no paid medical attention if he injures himself and if injured, he puts his entire career in jeopardy.

Walking through some plays, WALKING the routes, Film Study and playbook study,, workng out with his new teammates, Sure, I can see that. But practicing as he would if camp were real and sanctioned by the team,, NO WAY.. He'd be an idiot to do that..


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I am saying that if he is there, he should be practicing. I don't think it's any more risky than the normal workout stuff he is doing but has more tangible benefits for when playing resumes. That is all.






He'd have to be a complete moron to practice hard.. He's uninsured, he's got no paid medical attention if he injures himself and if injured, he puts his entire career in jeopardy.

Walking through some plays, WALKING the routes, Film Study and playbook study,, workng out with his new teammates, Sure, I can see that. But practicing as he would if camp were real and sanctioned by the team,, NO WAY.. He'd be an idiot to do that..




he can also get injured running sprints, lifting weights, doing agility drills.

if they are actually being covered and tackling, then no, he should not practice as there'd be too much risk. if they are running route trees and just basically working through the terminology and timing on the field, then I think he should be practicing.


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Still trying to figure out which part of "almost all other rooks ARE taking part in those private camps" you and many on here don't seem to get


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Still trying to figure out which part of "almost all other rooks ARE taking part in those private camps" you and many on here don't seem to get




I get it, but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me,,, I find it idiotic.. They are risking thier futures.

Look, I'm amazed you can't figure this out. If these players were to go to a team santioned OTA or Mini or Full Traning camp and get injured,, they are basically taken care of. It would also mean that most likely, a contract has been struck for those types of events. So they are covered.

if they go to camp colt and get injured, they are on thier own. How much do you think Little contract would be if he goes out and rips up an ACL?

How dumb do you gotta be to go "all out" at a Camp Colt?

I'm all for them getting together, walking through plays and routes, Classroom stuff, even weight training if they can find a solid trainer to come in to watch over them (which they can easily do).

That kinda stuff can build relationships between players. It gets them in the right mindset, gives them something they would be getting at a team sanctioned training event. I'm all for that.

What part of that don't you get?

And no, I don't give a damn what other players are doing.., This Cameron kid we drafted was in for the Camp Colt II at BW. If he practiced all out, he's an idiot..

Having said that, I like that they want to be here practicing, working with teammates,,


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So you think most of the rookies are dumb or idiots for participating in those light, non contact walkthroughs because of injury risk but you think they should stay in shape working out at home, right?

I think guys like Little are the idiots/egos not taking part, refusing to do stuff he should do at home anyway (lifting, running etc)...I think that may be hte reason why so many are in those camps, they figured it's the same he should/would be doing at home, just with his new team mates. Little either thinks he doesn't need to train ("I know the terminology", lol) but trains at home or he doesn't train at home (since it'd be as much injury risk) at all waiting for the money 1st to make 100% sure...for me either way he's the stupid one out of all this and I guess that's what almost all rooks figured out


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wonder if Little is going to play on Special Teams? he could get hurt playing that too.. better not risk it. ::flashback::


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So you think most of the rookies are dumb or idiots for participating in those light, non contact walkthroughs because of injury risk but you think they should stay in shape working out at home, right?





Were you dropped on your head as a child. Is that what causes you to make a comment like that?

NEVER, NOT ONCE did I, or would I say they were dumb for light, Non Contact walkthroughs

If you took your head from where the sun don't shine, you'd see I wrote JUST THE OPPOSITE..


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I get it, but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me,,, I find it idiotic.. They are risking thier futures.




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I'll say it again, all out practicing for a UNSIGNED rookie, is idiotic... I'm not sure why anyone would even question that....


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I'll say it again, all out practicing for a UNSIGNED rookie, is idiotic... I'm not sure why anyone would even question that....




None of these guys has a contract right now. Not really.

If they get hurt outside the team's control, they can be released just like that without ever seeing another penny. For an established veteran player at the top of his game that might be unlikely ..... but who on our roster does that describe? Joe Thomas and Alex Mack maybe? Damn near anyone else ....... maybe not McCoy ...... but almost anyone else on effense suffers a severe injury and the team may just say "see ya" as opposed to IRing them for a year ... especially if any of these guys are in the last year or 2 of their current deal.


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I understand what you are saying and agree, it could indeed work out as you describe.

However, it is different for a unsigned rook.

The team can decide, just as with the veteran player if they want to just cut ties or decide to keep him.

The problem is the newly injured rook is going to have to show up at the negotiation table on crutches.

How's that going to help him in securing the best offer possible??


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How's that going to help him in securing the best offer possible??




Maybe, just maybe Little's agent wold use the otherwise blown 2nd round pick and medial backleash (that and the locker room for not paying a guy who showed willingness to workout in a lockout) as an argument...but hey, just maybe If it's not career threatening, he gets paid...what leverage does the team have? "Hey you're on crutches, screw you and our 2nd rounder, take it or leave it"? Are you serious?


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OMG,, let the flogging of a draft pick begin


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Not for nothing but were talking about May 24 here, so to me I don't think this stuff really matters. They might not even have a season or half of one anyway.

But even in a regular year, does anyone honestly beleive that the reason this team is BAD (usually) or NOT BAD (rarely) is because the players ARE or AREN'T getting enough work, OR are putting themselves at too much injury risk in April, May June and July ?

Talk about a run on sentence.

I guess I'm different in thinking between the SuperBowl and the 1st of August the players should have more free time, more freedom to workout how they want. Except for the ones in the April draft.


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I get it, but it doesn't mean a damn thing to me,,, I find it idiotic.. They are risking thier futures.








I'll say it again, all out practicing for a UNSIGNED rookie, is idiotic... I'm not sure why anyone would even question that....




You just don't get it...not that it's something new, but still, even for you....Jesus

The UNSIGNED rookies themselves obviously question that..ask AJ Green, titus Young and all those other UNSIGNED rooks why they are out there practicing....you're arguing to save players who obviously don't think they need to be saved (they have agents too, so safe your last "they are young and dumb and dont know what they do" strawman), that's the sad-funny part of your posts...

THEY WOULD TRAIN ON THEIR OWN ANYWAY to stay in shape, there's no contact in those camps...if you're lifting weights there or at home doesn't matter, if your running there or around your block doesn't matter..the only difference is being with your teammates and playbook


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