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Steinbach: 7 years, 49 mil, 17 guaranteed

Dockery: 7 years, 49 mil, 18.5 guaranteed


Steinbach is a great LG, a servicable LT (at least) and a (projected) great C.....he´s versatile

Dockery is a very good RG, maybe an above average to good LG and that´s it


Who else thinks Phil Savage and Dockery´s agent did an outstanding job today?

no thanks, i'm happy with the big stein. we can get a vey quality guard in rd 2 or 3 or 4. who knows, sowells may turn out good. now lets get robaire smith, seth payne, and clements!

Thank you! Thank you Sweet Baby Jesus!!

wahooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Steinbach is a great LG, a servicable LT (at least) and a (projected) great C.....he´s versatile

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all right darn it,, someone tell me WHY,,, WHY WHY do people keep talking about Steinbach as a possible LT,,, why does it even come up,,

Did the guy ever play LT,,, I mean for any length of time that is,, I mean if he stepped in for a couple of plays or even a game or two, I don't think that qualifies as anything ,,, NOTHING.. But if I totally missed something,,,Please please tell me before I pull all my hair out

The Link! The Link! My kingdom for this LINK! Hallehotchachalujah! Dawgers, I really think this is a solid move! We are possibly able to have a football game in the Pound by the Pond!
Use the Force, Phil! And may the Elf be with you!

It does appear to me...that players don`t mind coming here...or even staying...this is a good thing......patience is starting to pay off......

Brown and orange.....proud colors again................

Not sure really but 49 million to a guard is a little on the excessive side and why sign up right away without visiting other teams like Tampa who he was scheduled to visit tomorrow unless they (us) tossed you a carrot like, "hey, we'll move you to LT too"! The premier position on the oline.

Just rambling thoughts...

First of all, woooooooooooooooot, wooooooooooooooooooooooooot.


Six foot six inches, 290lbs is why folks think he can play LT. If Dielman comes here, it may be possible there is merit to the rumor. IMO. I'm just gland we got him, and hope we draft and/or sign more high quality HOGS.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BaBBBBBBBBBBBBBBYYYY.

Here we go Brownies, Here we go, Woof wooof. Here we go Brownies here we go Woof woof.

the best news Ive heard all day!!!!!!

now go get thomas and fix the line!

This is great news. Steinbach will make Fraley better as well. Our interior is 2/3 to be decent. All we need now is one of the good guards in the draft that we can get in the 2nd or 3rd round and our interior will be much improved.

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This is where I found it.

I don't know if it's LT money or not.This is a new salary cap era,there hasn't been a true LT signed.$7mil a year seems to be the going rate for top flight guards,as hard as that is to fathom.Bents,Stienbach and apparently Dockery are getting tthat much.
I just heard WR Crotchitch,or something like that,just reupped with the Jets 4 years for $20mil,so maybe the value system in the NFL is tilting towards o-linemen.

I agree that it may not be LT $ but I have seen several reports that teams wanted to try him out at LT and that he may be seeking LT coin... Flipside is, he got Hutchison $ and chose no tto sign with the teams that were reported looking at him as a LT...

Dollars to Donughts he is our LG and not LT...

It took 4 years, but we finally corrected one of Botch's big draft mistakes.

I still want Thomas

Yes..we got him..I was sceptical of it..but it's good...now I have a feeling either Antoine Peek or Porter will be next..

Here's the NFL.com scouting report on Steinbach from the 2003 draft ... (great pickup, IMO) :

Prospect Profiles

Eric Steinbach
Position: Guard
College: Iowa
Height: 6-6
Weight: 297
Hometown: New Lenox, Ill.

ANALYSIS
Positives: Good straight-line athlete who is very light on his feet … Shows the quickness and agility to block on the second level and gain position on the defender … Gets off the ball well and into blocking position, using his speed to mirror his opponent and sustain while taking proper angles … Locates and adjusts to the linebackers quickly while on the move, keeping his feet underneath him as he kick slides … Screens off the defenders upfield and has the smooth, fluid movements needed to set up in pass protection … Keeps his hands inside to contain the pass rusher's moves, delivering a solid jolt to turn and control on run blocks … Sustains his blocks long enough for the runner to get through the holes … Very aware vs. stunts, showing a good understanding of angles and positioning.

Negatives: Despite his power, he is more of a finesse-type blocker, rarely delivering the "knockout" punch to his opponents … More of a waist-bender, leaning to maintain contact … This results in defenders being able to toss him aside, as he struggles when redirecting to his side … Has a good hand punch, but lacks explosion coming off the ball … Has to develop more lower leg strength and improve upon rolling his hips through blocks to gain better movement off the snap … Lacks ideal flexibility, which prevents him from adjusting when working in space … Stops his feet upon initial contact, causing him to lunge and overextend in order to stay on his man in pass protection … Has too wide of a leg base and plays too straight-legged to get much movement with his hips, hindering his ability to kick defenders out in traps.

CAREER NOTES
Former tight end who shifted to the offensive line as a sophomore … Battled a series of injuries earlier in his career, but established himself as one of the premier drive blockers in college the last two years.
2002 SEASON
Selected first team All-America by the Walter Camp Foundation and Pro Football Weekly, adding second-team honors from CNN/SI … All-Big Ten Conference first team … Named Offensive Lineman of the Year by the Big Ten coaches … Lined up at right offensive guard, paving the way for an offense that averaged 432.9 yards per game … Credited with eight touchdown-resulting blocks while totaling 72 knockdowns.
Miami (Ohio) - Cleared a rush lane used by tailback Fred Russell for a 4-yard touchdown run as the team amassed 444 yards.
Iowa State - Cut blocked defensive tackle Jordan Carstens on a 50-yard scoring strike from QB Brad Banks to Maurice Brown, collecting 7 knockdowns for an offense that gained 400 yards.
Penn State - Delivered another 7 knockdowns, including one that took All-America defensive tackle Jimmy Kennedy out of the play on a 20-yard touchdown jaunt by Russell and later cut blocked defensive end Michael Haynes on a game-winning 6-yard scoring lob from Banks to C.J. Jones as the Hawkeyes piled up 470 yards in a 42-35 defeat.
Michigan State - Made a timely block upfield to spring Russell for a 9-yard touchdown run.
Wisconsin - Took down rush end Jake Sprague with a roll block on a 23-yard scoring pass from Banks to Dallas Clark as the Hawkeyes generated 405 yards.
2001 SEASON
All-Big Ten Conference first-team choice … Started eight of the first nine games (did not play vs. Miami of Ohio) and the Alamo Bowl clash vs. Texas Tech at right offensive guard … Played a key role as the team averaged 393.5 yards per game, making 55 key blocks.
2000 SEASON
Battled through a season of injuries after being injured on first day of fall practice … Did not play in season opener vs. Kansas State … Started at right guard vs. Western Michigan and Iowa State … Re-injured his knee in Iowa State game and missed six contests after having arthroscopic knee surgery … Returned to action at Penn State … Saw action vs. Northwestern and returned to the starting lineup for the season finale at Minnesota … Was one of the key members of the offensive line that led the way for Ladell Betts to rush for 1,090 yards.
1999 SEASON
Started the final four games of the season at left offensive guard … Member of a very young offensive line that improved as the season progressed … Iowa averaged 388.2 yards total offense over the final five games of the season and Ladell Betts rushed for 857 yards in 11 games.
1998 SEASON
Redshirted as a freshman, performing as a tight end on the scout team … Earned offensive scout team MVP vs. Wisconsin.
INJURY REPORT
Missed most of 2000 fall drills with a knee sprain that would linger throughout the year and cause him to sit out the season opener vs. Kansas State … Re-injured the knee in the Iowa State clash (9/16/00), missing the next six games after undergoing arthroscopic surgery … Suffered a left ankle sprain vs. Kent State in 2001, missing the Miami (Ohio) game … Dislocated his left elbow in the first half vs. Northwestern (11/10/01), missing the final two games (Minnesota, Iowa State).
CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
4.87 in the 40-yard dash.

COMBINE
TEST 40 20 10 225 VJ SHUTTLE
22 4.98 2.91 1.79 36 9'11" 7.36


HIGH SCHOOL
Super Prep and PrepStar All-America choice, adding Prep Football Report all-regional, PrepStar Midwest Regional Super 30 team, USA Today honorable mention All-America, first team all-state, all-conference and conference MVP honors as a senior at Providence Catholic (New Lenox, Ill.) High … Helped lead his team to a 50-game winning streak, as the squad won three consecutive state championships … As a senior, he had 46 tackles, 55 assists, and 26 sacks (school season record), adding 22 receptions for 305 yards and six touchdowns as a tight end and defensive end … Lettered in baseball, basketball and track as well as football … Honor Roll student.
PERSONAL
Education major … Son of Ruth and John Steinbach … Born April 4, 1980 … Resides in New Lenox, Ill.

Copyright (C) 2003 The Sports Xchange. All Rights Reserved.

j/c:

A few thoughts:

----I was dead wrong when I said that it was a pipe dream to think the Browns would get Steinbach. Gee, that wasn't so hard to say. Some of you ought to try it once in awhile.


----That's a lot of money for a guard. That is why I say you have to build your OL through the draft. You overpay in FA.

----Steinbach isn't as good as Hutch, but he is better than Dockery. How did that dude get $49 million?

----I hope the Browns draft Thomas and play Steinbach at LG.

----The talk of LT is because he played that position in college. He did struggle there in the one game he played there last year. You ought to remember it. *L*

----As most of you know.....I despise paying big money in FA. I think it's stupid. Anyone ever notice that the teams that continually compete for the Super Bowl----Indy, NE, Pittsburgh----aren't big players in FA?

----With that said, I'm glad we paid Steinbach over Clemments.

----I hope this doesn't mean that Phil will not draft Joe if he is available. If so, it would cement that his philosophy of building an OL through FA rahter than the draft. If so, he is making a grave mistake.

----That hasn't happened yet, so for now, I am very happy w/this move and will continue to pray that we draft Joe. Keeping Fraley, signing Steinbach, and drafting Joe would be huge progress.


One more thing.........Loki, you pissed me off w/that nonsense about calling Tucker "crazy." That was uncalled for. Tuck missed games not because he is "crazy," but because he had an adverse reaction to the medication he was taking. Oh, and do you realize how you insulted PDawg and probably several others on this board? Hope you're proud of youself.

WOOOOOOOOOO!

j/c

Great Phil!!

Hey Vers, if I remember correctly, Steinbach played both guard positions at Iowa but never played LT for them...

Vers - EVERYTHING you just said is exactly right.

I was a little more optimistic we would make a heavy play for him. And sure enough, happy days.

You are right about FA being a dang expensive way to build an Oline. But considering the criminal neglect we've paid the Oline in the draft, it's at least a step in the right direction to attempt to protect the QB du jour. Who knows, maybe we might have one survive for a change. I know crazy thought.

But I think we got a pretty decent deal here. Dockery signing for 7/49 same as Big Stein. It being in the neighborhood of Hutch, and considering the cap increase this year, it's almost like he gave us a sweetheart deal. I think we will see that this is the new "pay range" of elite OGs.

If we were to get the opportunity to draft Joe Thomas... YIPPEE!!!

I've been thinking about that. I thought he slid around on the OL and then concentrated on LG in his senior year because that is where he was projected to go in the draft. I do remember there was some talk of him being a LT prospect when he was drafted.

I also remember mac and I wanting him in the draft. One of the few things we actually agreed on.

Great news, upgraded our line, stole from the Bungles, even though they were willing to let him walk.
Finally our O-line is looking up.
Fraley and Steinbach both!
I hope Steinbach's willing to remain at guard, if we can draft Thomas we will have a helluva left side. I'm a a little disappointed about Clements, but considering the money he got, well... I'm not so disappointed.
Whatever we get in FA from now on is just gravy on the 'taters. Good job Phil, for bellyin' up to the bar.

j/c

Say what you will about Phil Savage as a talent evaluator...but he's a phenomenal negotiator.

The proof is in the pudding come draft day ... If JT is there at # 3 ,, Phil better take him and put us back in the NFL...

I agree Cap. I'm happy. I would rather have Steinbach over Dockery and the money is very similar. I am also glad we spent money on a G over a CB.


I am a little apprehensive though.....I suppose it's conditioning due to all the negative things that have happened w/the Browns in recent years.......I just hope to God that Savage doesn't pass on Thomas if he is available and we hear that he "fixed" the OL in FA. Sorry, I don't want to be negative right now, but that thought keeps popping into my head.


I am completely opposed to building an OL in FA and ignoring it in the draft. This will be a great signing if Savage builds upon this move by addressing the OL in the draft.

Here , here .. see above ..

I don't think that Joe Thomas is THAT important. We could wait until round 2 to address the OL and probably wouldn't be any worse off.

With Fraley, Tuck, Stein, and Shaff, we could settle for a 2nd rounder. Maybe Aaron Sears--and still be in good shape.

I still would like Thomas in the first, but I don't think it would be a huge deal if we passed on him as long as we went OL in the 2nd.

Thomas is potentially a franchise LT. It IS a very big deal.
When you get a chance to get one, you take him.
Take Joe, move Shaff to RT (if he can handle it), Tuck inside at RG, and we might have a humdinger of an O-line. something we've prayed for since 1999

Great News.. i was hoping we signed someone more that Antwan Peek.. or whatever his name is..

and i dont know if i will be the first to say it.. but now we can draft Adrian Peterson and do some things.. I guarantee yall that that was a selling point... that Peterson would be running behind him and the o-line, which in the long run, would make the whole line look better..

From your lip's to the big guys ears !!!

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Drafting players is no better way to build a line than signing free agents if you don't keep them.

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But if you have drafted 5 of them(starters), letting one walk wouldnt be a big deal. And Ideally his replacement that you also drafted would now take his place.