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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned

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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned

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What was extreme in my comment?

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ABD, you're so extreme you need ask it twice.

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Looks that way. Might even be a third time coming up soon. And maybe a 4th, or 5th, or 50th even.

Unless daman wants the "mac" title of "Mr. Won't Answer".

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ABD, you're so extreme you need ask it twice.

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Looks that way. Might even be a third time coming up soon. And maybe a 4th, or 5th, or 50th even.

Unless daman wants the "mac" title of "Mr. Won't Answer".

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That's actually quite a threat ...

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How is taking people who are in a 100% public funded program and putting them in a subsidized private program the same as migrating people who are private programs into the public option?

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I wouldn't be surprised if Ryan doesn't realize that its exaggerated and he won't get a fair amount of what he wants.. however it's severe cuts, it helps because it stands in stark contrast to the joke cuts proposed by Obama and by the softer establishment republicans... and that is what we need, we need somebody to show what a joke the "centrist" establishment has become. Waffling from center-left to center-right and back again has gotten us to where we are right now...

I will say this, the far right hates what the left stands for and tries to deny all things they want to spend money on.. the far left hates the far right and tries to deny all things hey want to spend money on.... centrists don't hate anybody and therefore, they never say no to spending more money...

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The arguments regarding the respective plans' detriments are what I was talking about.

The whole rationing care argument that came up ... how is this different? Ryan wants to throw out subsidy money with a cost of living increase ... a cost of living increase that doesn't keep up with health care cost increases ... and on top of that, we're still working with methods laid out in both Bush and Obama's plans that give no real leverage power to negotiate cheaper meds.

I don't think the Ryan budget is remotely feasible, nor a good idea. I think it's a politically-charged statement.

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Ryan's budget proposes to cut spending by over $5 trillion over the next 10 years.. which would result in a deficit reduction from about $10 trillion under Obama's budget to approximately $5 trillion... $2.2 trillion of that comes from repealing Obamacare and some smaller portion from the Medicare/Medicaid plan... So the Medicare/Medicaid portion represents maybe 20% of the cuts, yet that is the hot button that the left wants us all to focus on.. seniors dying in the streets having to choose between food and medicine.. this is the oldest most dog eared page in the democrats playbook... Anything a republican proposes always involves seniors/kids/blacks/hispanics starving and dying in the streets..

Maybe we should adopt the Nancy Pelosi method of governing.. we must pass it so then we can see what's in it..

I would love to see an honest debate on the pros and cons of the various aspects of the plan without all of the BS emotional crap that always gets thrown out there to divert the attention of those who have no plans on even attempting to understand what it actually says...

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I mean dude, ignoring a challenge like arch's in this case is not a manly thing to do.

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* and maybe you honestly haven't had a chance to respond, if so then fair enough.

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I mean dude, ignoring a challenge like arch's in this case is not a manly thing to do.

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It's not a "challenge" per se - it's a question. He's the one that brought it on. I just want clarification from him on what, in my post, makes me "extreme".

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Tomato, tomato.

I'm not saying you called Daman out into the street for a duel at high noon, I'm just saying you've asked him four, five times now to answer your question.

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I mean dude, ignoring a challenge like arch's in this case is not a manly thing to do.

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It's not a "challenge" per se - it's a question. He's the one that brought it on. I just want clarification from him on what, in my post, makes me "extreme".

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Tomato, tomato.

I'm not saying you called Daman out into the street for a duel at high noon, I'm just saying you've asked him four, five times now to answer your question.

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I mean dude, ignoring a challenge like arch's in this case is not a manly thing to do.

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It's not a "challenge" per se - it's a question. He's the one that brought it on. I just want clarification from him on what, in my post, makes me "extreme".

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Tomato, tomato.

I'm not saying you called Daman out into the street for a duel at high noon, I'm just saying you've asked him four, five times now to answer your question.

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Got it - understood. I just want to make sure he knows I'm not asking for a duel - just clarification.

My guess is, since he posts all the time, he's ignoring this and hoping it will go away. I don't work that way. Ask mac, pit, loki, draftdayz, etc - if I'm right, I'm right. If I'm proven wrong, I admit it and move on. I don't believe anyone on here can say otherwise. I have issued apologies when I've been wrong - or when I've stepped over the line. It's not a big deal as far as I'm concerned - being wrong, apologizing.

For some, I guess it is, as they can't do it. Or can't/won't explain a comment they made.

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Arch,, I never called you extreme,, I said it's my opinion that the Tea Party is an extreme.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes...,

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Arch,, I never called you extreme,, I said it's my opinion that the Tea Party is an extreme.

If by extension, you wish to call your self a non-extreme tea party guy,, be my guest

It's MY OPINION that the stance the tea party takes is extreme..

you don't have to like my thinking.. don't really care one way or the other. no skin off my nose..

But that's my opinion..and I"m sticking to it.

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What position(s), specifically, do you feel that the Tea party takes to extreme.

That's all anyone is asking for .... specific things rather than

"Those guys over there are extreme"

"Why?"

"Because they're extreme"

"What makes them extreme?"

"They're extreme"



That's a (poster who shall remain nameless, but who cannot make a cogent argument to save his life) argument ..... and it should be below you.

What is it about Tea Party principles, specifically, that you find to be extreme and out of the mainstream of American society?

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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned

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this is the oldest most dog eared page in the democrats playbook... Anything a republican proposes always involves seniors/kids/blacks/hispanics starving and dying in the streets..

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Maybe we should adopt the Nancy Pelosi method of governing.. we must pass it so then we can see what's in it..

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I thought that was the George W. Bush method.

Why do you insist on painting things as if there's a difference?

Last election there was a poster on here who was all excited with !!!'s and 's when Nancy Pelosi was ousted from her post and replaced by John Boehner. I asked why. They cited how inept and clueless Pelosi was. I pointed out how inept and clueless Boehner was ... we went back and forth until there was no denying Boehner's incompetence, and in the end it came down to 'my guy won', which I think summarizes American politics.

As far as Ryan's plan on the whole ... I don't see any defense cuts, I think it leaves itself open to interpretation, I think it's health care sections are wildly flawed plans, it gives free rein to Wall Street, and I think it asks the middle and lower classes to take the hit while others get cushioned.

Is it better or worse than what the Democrats have? Not really. Neither one is looking out for anyone but their interests .... but I'm not a fan of it, and I don't think my opinion is overly based on emotion.

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Arch,, I never called you extreme,, I said it's my opinion that the Tea Party is an extreme.

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Not to sound like I'm picking on you daman, but this is what you said...

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes...,

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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned

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Here is your quote daman.

YOUR words, not mine.

I questioned exactly what I said that was "extreme". You still have not answered that.

You tried deflection, saying you never called me "extreme" in my bleliefs - even though your quote proves otherwise.

You tried to turn the issue into me "upsetting" you.......but you never explained how what I said was "extremism" - even though YOU said it, not me.

You tried changing the subject.

Dude, you're coming across like mac. Ignore, deflect, and change subject.

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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.




Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned "

Simple question: WHAT did I take to extremes. And I'm glad today was the one day you were so busy that you couldn't reply. However, you were replying in other threads, and "pure football" the whole time.

Dude, answer the simple question. Don't try to turn it on me. Don't tell me you weren't on here, as you were posting in other threads. Don't tell me you were too busy with work, because you WERE posting.

Just answer the question: How was I extreme in what I said?

Take your time. Try to figure out a way out of that. It would be too easy to say "arch, what you said wasn't extreme, my bad". But apparently you've had a mac attack and can't do that.

I will be out of town Thursday afternoon till Monday evening - so you'll have plenty of time to come up with something, seeing as how you're so busy.

And lastly? I don't care who said what you said. There's not a single person on here I wouldn't be questioning, had they said what you said. Got it? It's not arch vs. daman. It's "arch questioning exactly what I said that was extremism".

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Typical Arch,,,

You as usual, forgot to quote what I said that got the response from you in the first place..
Let me remind you

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In my opinion the Tea Party is indeed the extremist wing of the Republican party and the very thing that is ruining it.

So yeah, Just like I would ignore the ultra left, l'LL ignore the ultra right.

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Then you go off on me about the tax thing..

Then I respond with the "your as bad as Django' comment,, and in that comment, if you would take the freakin time to look, you will see it ended with one of these...



Which, means, I was ROTF or Rolling on the floor laughing

But of course, you can't take it the way it's meant, you have to do your internet tough guy thing and tell me I"m not answering fast enough for you..

Like a two year old baby,,, why won't he answer me,,, is he Mac, what's wrong with him,, He posted in pure football so I know he's here, he just doesn't want to answer me


For the record, I was away from a computer from about 11am yesterday until I think until mid or late afternoon..

in that time, you must have posted 3 or 4 times that I didn't answer you...

I WAS NOT ON A COMPUTER OR I JUST DIDN"T READ THIS THREAD... whichever it was,, I answfred when I saw it..

IT's about time you took some responsiblilty for going off the wall on me..

Ya know, if we were sitting in a bar, having a beer and this conversation took place, you'd have laughed and that would have been the end of it..

But of course, the only way we can show emotion on here is with those little graemlins.. Try reading them and understanding when things are meant in jest..

Maybe next time if you do,, you won't cry like a baby when someone doesn't answer your comments fast enough for your liking.

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Wait a minute.....the Taxed Enough Already party is ultra right wing?

The "party" that says we are taxed enough - the one that says gov't. spending is too high? They are ultra right wing?

Well, if so, I guess I'm with them.

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Man, you're as bad as Django.., I make one comment and you go and take it to extremes..., and you wonder why I think extremists should be banned

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Arch,, is that enough of a response for you... would you like a little more


NOTE: The Laughing guy at the end of the comment... Gees, am I going to have to make a note like this everytime now?

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OK .. so what Tea Party policies do you consider "extremist?

I really am curious ...... because I am all for cutting spending, taxes, and getting government as far out of my life as possible. Does that make me an extremist? That seems to be what the Tea Party platform mainly consisted of ..... so what parts did you consider extremist?

I would appreciate an answer .... because I really am curious.

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Arch,, is that enough of a response for you... would you like a little more


NOTE: The Laughing guy at the end of the comment... Gees, am I going to have to make a note like this everytime now?

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On that matter, yes.

On the matter of "what makes the tea party extreme", no. My question still stands: What is extreme about wanting a smaller fed. gov't.?

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OK .. so what Tea Party policies do you consider "extremist?

I really am curious ...... because I am all for cutting spending, taxes, and getting government as far out of my life as possible. Does that make me an extremist? That seems to be what the Tea Party platform mainly consisted of ..... so what parts did you consider extremist?

I would appreciate an answer .... because I really am curious.

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You are kidding right?

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OK .. so what Tea Party policies do you consider "extremist?

I really am curious ...... because I am all for cutting spending, taxes, and getting government as far out of my life as possible. Does that make me an extremist? That seems to be what the Tea Party platform mainly consisted of ..... so what parts did you consider extremist?

I would appreciate an answer .... because I really am curious.

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You are kidding right?

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No, he's not. A lot of us associate with many of the tea partys views and we would just like to know what it is about the tea party that you view as so extreme. I'm not going to get into a personal whizzing contest about answering questions, but right now the tea party is more popular than congress as a whole.. so I would think your reasoning behind considering them so extreme that they should be ignored is a perfectly valid question.

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So because we disagree and because you aren't likely to change my mind you aren't going to explain what it is about the tea party that you find extreme to the extent that they should be ignored?

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Why bother... it's useless.. Arch was so wrapped up in that question that he accused me of not wanting to respond.. So I respond and I'm still getting beat upon.. So I ask, what's the value.

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I don't care what you or anyone else think,,, It's often been said that some people on here think I'm nuts (and that's cleaned up a little) so why do you care what I think

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I expressed an opinion,,., That should be good enough..

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So because we disagree and because you aren't likely to change my mind you aren't going to explain what it is about the tea party that you find extreme to the extent that they should be ignored?

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Why bother... it's useless.. Arch was so wrapped up in that question that he accused me of not wanting to respond.. So I respond and I'm still getting beat upon.. So I ask, what's the value.

I don't care what you or anyone else think,,, It's often been said that some people on here think I'm nuts (and that's cleaned up a little) so why do you care what I think

I expressed an opinion,,., That should be good enough..

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I understand people arguing against the two-party system but what you are in favor of is essentially the one-party system. You want to ignore anybody that is outside of what you consider to be a "centrist" position of either party.. so basically you want one centrist party that never says no to anybody while those with strongly held convictions on either the conservative or the liberal side are ignored and unrepresented...

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There are so many mischaracterizations in there I don't know where to begin ...

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Obviously, you don't think the Tea Party is extreme.. otherwise you wouldn't ask the question, so, no matter what I say, you'll have another comment and another comment and yet another comment..

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I have an opinion, you don't have to share it, you don't have to like it, it's what I think,,,, That should be enough.. unless of course all you want to do is argue about this nonsense..

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Is that a quick enough response for you or because it took more than 10 seconds to respond, are you going to accuse me of not wanting to respond?

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Well, since you asked - you could be a little quicker.

As to your recent incessant "explanation" of this guy:

I have a question. If I were to ask you "What are you, some kind of jackass? " How would you take it? Would you take it as "arch is laughing that he said that in a joking matter", or would there be a chance that you would take it as "arch called me a name, and he's laughing about it."

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You say the tea party is extreme but you can't provide any examples of their extremists views?

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Really weak answer. I am extremely disappointed.

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One, I'm not arch. Two, you aren't getting beat upon, you are being asked for clarification because you expressed an opinion that many don't agree with and you gave no specifics to back it up..

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