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Too bad for you that it won't affect the fact that OSU will still beat Michigan every year. 
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But I honestly don't see it as a big deal. I wasn't surprised that some kids sold their gear for money. I don't think it's a big deal. They're college kids.
The infraction isn't the big deal. It's the cover up by Tressel.
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One kid's family got a home, Reggie Bush. And the team didn't have any idea of what was going on (allegedly).
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If Michigan got caught with their kid's shelling out gear for money, I wouldn't think it's a huge deal.
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I heard someone compare it to finding some pot in your kids' drawer at home, you gonna call the cops? no, but if you get caught, i understand.
No, it'd be like you finding pot in your kids drawer. Then the cops find out as well and you lie to them.
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When I said if Michigan got caught, it wouldn't be a a big deal, I meant it would not be a big deal to me.
I totally agree that it's the cover up that is worse than the crime, but again, the crime isn't a big deal to me. And it doesn't surprise me that even a coach that had the reputation of Tressel was covering this up. You don't win games if you don't approach stuff like that, and it's the truth.
The lying thing is bad, but like I said, it doesn't surprise me, it's just that to me, it's not a big thing.
If I had found out that OSU was handing out checks for 200k or giving homes to recruits' families, I'd have been a little more surprise.
And considering there is going to be something out tonight or tomorrow from SI, maybe that's what it is.
I just don't think it's a huge deal. Recruiting violations are far worse in my book.
If you investigated all the top 25-30 programs, you'd find it everywhere.
Hell, Notre Dame is going to let a kid who's had 3 alcohol related incidents play this fall.
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NCAA should be strict in cases like this. Removing the head coach is a big sanction. Anything they do now should consider the HC is gone.
And I am a Michigan fan.
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Many times when honest men lie,there is a greater need than the truth.
Coach Tressel is above all else,an honest man.
Now for the 5 dupes who got suspended for half of this year,rescind thier scholarships.Ban them from the program.Harsh lessons need to be taught,messages need sent.
The whole of the program is on sound footing,Dantonio would be an outstanding choice.
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Many times when honest men lie,there is a greater need than the truth.
Coach Tressel is above all else,an honest man.
So, what was the greater need that was being served by Tressel lying?
And, how can anyone really say now that he is, above all else, an honest man? There at least have to be some questions about that.
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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/05/30/zzz.htmlsounds like there is an investigation out for Pryor now, apparently this is seperate from the Tressel thing. This is the kinda thing that I think is far worse. This kid getting cars either from the school or from elsewhere. Far worse in my book.
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I'm not going to pretend I know something noone else does,because I don't.
But I know the type of man that Tressel is,and for him to lie to protect his players,for instance,and then to fall on the sword for them,that's a sacrifice he would easily make.
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I'm not going to pretend I know something noone else does,because I don't.
But I know the type of man that Tressel is,and for him to lie to protect his players,for instance,and then to fall on the sword for them,that's a sacrifice he would easily make.
About the only thing I can say about that. Instead of teaching his players that you should always be honest and there are consequences if you aren't, he tried to show them that if you do something you're not supposed to, cover it up.
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I'm not going to pretend I know something noone else does,because I don't.
But I know the type of man that Tressel is,and for him to lie to protect his players,for instance,and then to fall on the sword for them,that's a sacrifice he would easily make.
About the only thing I can say about that. Instead of teaching his players that you should always be honest and there are consequences if you aren't, he tried to show them that if you do something you're not supposed to, cover it up.
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That is all we can surmise for this whole fiasco.....i hate to admit it...but in the end he lied...that is a fact....now if i only know why he did it...the REAL reason....all the x-players are saying he is the type of coach that will do anything to protect his players...and to them it sounds like he got caught up in that...but what is he exactly covering up? was there indeed a chance that pryor and others might have fell under the DEA and drug prb that tatto owner had...and is that why he didn't want to attach these players names to the whole thing at first? that is the only thing that makes sense to me....but obviously we don't know for sure.
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Sounds like it could be bad for Pryor once the SI report comes out.
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Sounds like it could be bad for Pryor once the SI report comes out.
Makes you start thinking, was getting Pryor really worth it?
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If he's suspended for the whole season I don't think I'm going to miss him. I'm ready to move on from him. I was so excited when we got him, but I definitely don't think he was worth it.
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Sounds like it could be bad for Pryor once the SI report comes out.
Makes you start thinking, was getting Pryor really worth it?
Well let's not forget he was far from bad past 3 years he has played...hell he won us 2 BCS games.....sure we all wanted more...but how can you knock a guy after he won 2 BCS bowl games? Did he live up to the expectations? def not...but when he took over it was national title or bust expectations...that's a lot to live up to....
I don't regret getting him....overall wish he didn't cause this problem...but it's not like he is the only one who did....there were 5 other players who did it too....
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I've never been a huge fan of Pryor. Actually, pretty much the opposite. He's just not the type of quarterback I enjoy watching. I prefer the dropback passer who can run as opposed to the runner who occasionally throws. He didn't seem to fit the system when he came in and has done very little to show me anything that I truly like.
Seemed that the system that worked so well for OSU had to be changed to accommodate him and his style. Which is fine, I suppose. But I would much rather recruit players that fit the system already, rather than having to restart and change.
As for Coach Tressel, it is a sad day. I had a lot of respect for him. Still do. I think he made a very bad choice for reasons that are his own and we will probably never know. But he left a much greater mark of excellence than he did in this most recent and most publicized error in judgement. At least in my opinion. I am still proud to have Ohio State associated with the professor.
(And that's not even touching the argument of whether I agree with the NCAA rules that govern what has transpired.)
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Sounds like it could be bad for Pryor once the SI report comes out.
Makes you start thinking, was getting Pryor really worth it?
Well let's not forget he was far from bad past 3 years he has played...hell he won us 2 BCS games.....sure we all wanted more...but how can you knock a guy after he won 2 BCS bowl games? Did he live up to the expectations? def not...but when he took over it was national title or bust expectations...that's a lot to live up to....
I don't regret getting him....overall wish he didn't cause this problem...but it's not like he is the only one who did....there were 5 other players who did it too....
you answered your own questions. he's been a good player, his record cannot be knocked. 2-1 in bowl games and even in that loss he had them set up for the win (texas)
but they were supposed to be contenders, and they never got to the game. He crapped himself in a couple of big games. I can't knock him for the Wisconsin game, it was not his fault (defense and special teams were bad) but aren't guys that come in with that kinda hype suppoosed to save you from a performance like that on the road against a big time conference opponent?
I thought this guy was going to turn into a big time college qb. i think he ended up being a pretty good college qb on a very good team.
Hell of an athlete, never got it upstairs though. Like I said, he never matured into a true leader.
and by the way, a true leader would have told his 4 buddies that it might not have been the best of ideas to trade memorabilia for ink and other stuff. He should have been the guy saying no, we can't do this. The program is bigger than this. Instead he was just another guy.
There is a reason the QB takes the criticism when the team loses. I don't think he ever understood that, and it goes beyond the sidelines.
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sounds like there is an investigation out for Pryor now, apparently this is seperate from the Tressel thing.
This is the kinda thing that I think is far worse. This kid getting cars either from the school or from elsewhere. Far worse in my book.
I hope he's gone and never comes back.
I've hated him from the moment he drew out his recruitment process. Good riddance.
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QB Terrelle Pryor arrived at a team meeting in a Nissan 350z with temporary tags and tinted windows. Nissan 350 FWIW... latest model I can find is a 2009 $36,870 - $42,570 when new. It's all over twitter and I know you can't post links from there.
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I'm not going to pretend I know something noone else does,because I don't.
But I know the type of man that Tressel is,and for him to lie to protect his players,for instance,and then to fall on the sword for them,that's a sacrifice he would easily make.
He might have wanted to protect the players, but I've always believed his top priority was himself. He knew he needed those guys to win last year, and to contend for a championship he needed them on the field. If the players were 2nd stringers, or the team wasn't in contention for a championship, you might have seen Tressel act in a different manner. I don't always agree with Mark May, Bill Livingston, and Pat Forde, but those guys have it right, when they say Tressel was after his own interests.
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Slightly off-topic here ....... but players get in trouble for basically selling their autographs.
Why?
If they have a garage sale and sell their toaster, no one gives a damn. However, if they sign the toaster and sell it ..... NCAA infraction.
I view it no differently than a part time job. If they can make money signing stuff ...... then make it fit the rules governing a part time job, and move on from there.
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I just can't stand the role the media plays in this kind of stuff. Did people just find out today that Pryor was driving these expensive cars?? They find out about one allegation, and the witch-hunt begins. The Columbus Dispatch reporters are around these players just as much as anybody. They only dig for stories like this when they have to. They let a lot of this slip under the rug. Only when heavy hitters like sports illustrated come in, will they do some investigating. They're a bunch of hypocrites in my opinion.
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sounds like there is an investigation out for Pryor now, apparently this is seperate from the Tressel thing.
This is the kinda thing that I think is far worse. This kid getting cars either from the school or from elsewhere. Far worse in my book.
I hope he's gone and never comes back.
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I just can't stand the role the media plays in this kind of stuff. Did people just find out today that Pryor was driving these expensive cars?? They find out about one allegation, and the witch-hunt begins. The Columbus Dispatch reporters are around these players just as much as anybody. They only dig for stories like this when they have to. They let a lot of this slip under the rug. Only when heavy hitters like sports illustrated come in, will they do some investigating. They're a bunch of hypocrites in my opinion.
Totally agree. I don't know a ton about how the reporting down there goes, but it seems like they were literally turning their head and ignoring all this, and when it got to the point where they knew it was inevitable that ohio state was going to get spanked, they jumped on the other side and started to do their "investigative" work.
That goes for all the reporting, both from the dispatch, as well as osu's own media.
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Pryor may well have played his last down at OSU. The guy he made a promise to at OSU to not go pro is no longer there. The NFL's supplemental draft will take place July 16 at 1 p.m. ET. web page <~~ Thats confirmations from NFL.com And yes, they are having the SD. web page I'm thinking it's Pryors only solution at this point.
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That si article was pretty disgusting. with an investigation solely on pryor, he may just get kicked off the team all together. The si article named 9 current players involved in the scandal. there may be more suspensions to come.
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I don't need any articles or sources, there is absolutely no way that kid ever steps foot in the horseshoe again.
He threw it all away. He'll be on the practice squad with an NFL team for a year or two and then he'll be far too old/past his prime by the time he realizes what he had, what he threw away, and what a disappointment he was.
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Agreed. I think it's very likely TP gets the boot. IMO, Gene Smith has to be furious at Pryor and the powers that be are going to be angry that all this cost Jim his job.
Thats why I said I think it's Pryors only option.
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I think I'll wait until everything comes out before condemning or damning the Coach. I've thought all along that he had a reason for handling it the way that he did, even though it seems wrong it may not have been in the grand scheme of things. Time will tell.
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Just what does this say about the unelected NCAA and its rules, that a coach whose wins are ( what was the winning percentage? way off the charts) is forced to leave, basically on the fact that too many questions are raised as to compliance. With so many opinions, they won't change anything, but one point, the coach has no power to control the players 24 hours a day. Your really demanding that this guy should have ; four months before the questions began to be asked; should have suspended his top 5 players at the start of a season, in a job where winning = keeping the job when even the communist-like NCAA let them play in the Bowl game. Not only that, but you are demanding that , before ANY questions were being asked in 2010, Jim Tressel himself would have had to have been the whilstle blower and answer why he suspended these players and blow the whistle on selling gold pants for tattoos While there was an on-going investigation of the tattoo guy. The team had to get rid of the coach, because who knows what might come out. Let's just say Hypothetically, that boosters or somebody , somehow arranged for somebody else to get a place to live or a vehicle for virtually nothing, such a discounted price , Or maybe not even that, maybe just the use of something nice, I mean it's not selling you a car if I let you just drive it, or have use of it or say any car on the lot, as long as I still own it. You can just have it on an extended "test drive" for 2 hours , or 20 months, people take overnight test drives all the time, happens all the time. Who is to say there is a difference between 20 months and 2 hours, if I'm just trying to seccure you as a customer "after" you leave the confines of college ameteur atheltics, because I think you will have alot to spend at that future time. In that hypothetical situation, what could the coach do to stop it? Anyone in the entire city, Anyone in the STATE could be making that kind of an offer, and technically if the first person still owns the vehicle, who can object? The Real question I have is What do the Common man and the Torg have to say on the situation, from radio wbns, because I think they won't sugarcoat it. If this is the end of the world for OSU winning , They will say it But I'm thinking one thing, Luke Fickel is going to Hate this news because now he has the P R E S S U R E , of the whole season after today, not just 5 games. He has to come up with a way to beat Michigan h he has to put together a serious attempt at a whole year worth of coaching and not just bale-water on a sinking ship of a season for 5 games until the coach comes back. I disagree with anyone who pronounces this is a sad day for Ohio State fans or whatever, We know alot of followers of Ohio Sports on this board for alot of years and We should know what a sad day is  What this is, is this is just ANOTHER EXAMPLE that Ohio sports, are the Most DISCRIMINATED against in the entire country over the last 30+ years and the east coasters and the coastal dwellers will WANT this to be another sad day for Ohio Sports but it's not, it is another attempt to seccur a lack of success in Ohio Sports by ( how do you want to say it) fiat or decree, or double dealing, There had to be a fall guy. Nobody is irreplacable, not even MacArthur! Correct? This is not a sad day for sports. This is a sad day for what is the monolith of the communist-like, absurd, unending, REACH of the NCAA in College football and all of College sports. A sad day for what the REACH of attempting to keep everything ammetuer has done to end careers, programs, and more. Be sure to get one point, There is still nothing closer to an example of former Soviet Communism existing in the United States, than the relationship the NCAA has with schools, conferences, players, coaches, and people. Today we see the results this kind of relationship produces.
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Are you serious??
Quit making excuses....20 month test drives?? Most discriminated state in sports??
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So, Who's next....What Univercity is the NCAA gonna rip apart now.....There isnt one program in the united states where an atholete hasnt sold something or gotten something,
Who's Next.....Flordia Program, is this why Urban Meyers got out last year, ?
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Y'all really greatly overestimate the amount of time and energy the rest of the sports world spends thinking about and plotting against the state of Ohio.
In fact, if there is any one statement that sort of sums up WHY so many people just generally dislike OSU.. it's that statement.
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If Tress would have done things the right way, if he had been the honest, truthful man he portrayed himself to be, he would still have a job.
Pryor didn’t cost Tressel his job, Tressel did that on his own by covering up the infractions and then lying to the NCAA.
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I will remember Jim Tressel for taking us to three national Titles winning one. Dominating the Big Ten and laying a great foundation with the in state high schools to keep Ohio's top talent.
It's unfortunate he is leaving under these circumstances (of his own doing) that will tarnish his legacy in many eyes. But for now I'm going to thank Jim for his tenure of Head Coach at THE Ohio State University and I will move on.
Give Luke Fickel the job for the year if he does good and takes us to a BCS bowl game (if we are eligible) and/or wins a bowl he gets the job. Otherwise hire a coach after this season coming up.
If we are not eligible for a bowl game then I would have a different measuring mark for Luke.
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Its going to be interesting to see how this all plays out with the NCAA's. Does OSU get the USC treatment. No bowl games, now big ten championships and stripped of many scholarships??
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