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It's just damn hard to watch this dude pitch... 
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I really think that we need to find a shrink for Carmona. 
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He'll probably never be a #1 starter, but he can be a solid middle of the rotation type guy ...... if his head is on straight.
It just seems like he is his own worst enemy. He has the arm, and he has the stuff, he just lacks the mental toughness.
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Problem is his head hasn't been on straight since 2007. Get him out of here. Let Gomez take his spot and develop. I don't care how good his stuff *can* be. He gives up 7+ runs a game.
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at the very least put him in the pen as a long reliever. I knew after that tough hop from tulowitzki, he would lose it mentally. Next hitter Giambi, he gives up a 3 run bomb. Forget about stuff, this guy can't locate his pitches. Everything is middle of the plate, especially to lefties. It's time for a change.
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Last year he was excellent, especially during the 2nd half of the season. He had a 3.77 ERA for the year. He only gave up more than 3 earned runs in 7 games all year long. Of course, that was his best year in 4 years.
The problem is that I don't know how much trade value he has. I also don't know if he gets things turned around. A part of me really wants to banish him to the deepest recesses of the bullpen ..... but I don't know if that would destroy him completely.
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It would be different if we were in last place or not in contention. But we're in a pennant race, and right now he is the weakest link. With white, and possibly pomeranz in the rotation next year, I don't see a future for carmona anyhow.
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The entire team played better in the second half of last season, when they were 20 freaking games under .500. Who cares how they played then? I care about the 41 earned runs he gave up in April through June of 2010. Just like I care about the 59 earned runs he's given up so far this season. 59.
Carmona is damaged goods. He has done nothing but cost this team games for the past 6 weeks or so. This is not the same guy who defeated the Yankees with his face covered with bugs. This is the guy who had an 0-2 count on a #9 hitter and walked him. Ball four was a mile outside and he threw up his hands in protest as if it was the ump's fault he couldn't throw the ball over the damn plate. Oh yeah, then he proceeded to give up 6 earned runs.
Get him out of here.
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Cut or trade Carmona, bring up McCallister, Gomez, or Pomeranz, I really don't care, he has given up 4+ runs in 7 straight games. IMO he has been the pitching's weakest link, and we can fix this, what is the Indians front office waiting for?
If only White hadn't gotten injured I think they would have already done something.
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If I was him I'd be trying to get to San Diego or San Francisco (or some other big NL ballpark). That seems to help out most guys.
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I don't know. With him it might make him worse. His sinker has had no sink and people are just playing teeball with it. If they had all those gaps to hit to in Dodger Stadium or Petco, then it might get real bad.
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I think the funny thing is that if the Indians had traded Carmona at the beginning of the season, everyone would of been complaining about how cheap Dolan is. 
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I think the funny thing is that if the Indians had traded Carmona at the beginning of the season, everyone would of been complaining about how cheap Dolan is.
great point. all you have to do is go back to the trade rumors with the Mets last July.
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hindsight = 20/20
I don't want to see Carmona dealt even now. Although trading him wouldn't be viewed as being cheap. We'll save that for the Lee, Sabathia, Victor trades and probably future trades of Carlos Santana, Asdrubal Cabrera, and Michael Brantley.
Carmona has all the talent in the world. I bet there are GM's lined up who would take this guy. Some pitching coach we'll be able to get to him. It's more upstairs with him and I think that can be fixed.
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Braylon Edwards had all the talent and physical gifts in the world, too. It just isn't meant to be for some guys in some places. If there are indeed GMs lining up for him then trade him to the highest bidder, because he's just not going to figure it out here.
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Braylon Edwards had all the talent and physical gifts in the world, too. It just isn't meant to be for some guys in some places. If there are indeed GMs lining up for him then trade him to the highest bidder, because he's just not going to figure it out here.
I fear that might be the only way for him, a new setting, new voices, etc..
I mean CC needed NY and his $$$ to go and actually win a big game for his team, considering he gave us crap in the 2007 playoffs.
You are probably right about Braylon, although I still think he hasn't proven to me he's worth his own talk.
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I still think with CC it was more a matter that the NYY didn't need to kill him down the stretch in order to get into the playoffs.
the 2007 Indians and 2008 Brewers relied on his arm and innings to get a playoff spot. he was spent by the time the playoffs rolled around (and he was huge for both teams down the stretch to get them there). the Yankees were able to watch his innings/pitch counts down the stretch and he had more in the tank when he got there.
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He only pitched about 10 more innings in 2007 than he did in 2009 when the Yankees won it all.
I agree that Milwaukee treated him like a rental car and used him on short rest, but in 2007, he got the normal amount of off days between starts, even when it got to October. The Tribe clinched kinda early that year too so it wasn't even like the Brewers situation where they fought to the last week.
He choked. He pulled a Lebron. We didn't get one quality start out of him. The only W he got was when we scored all those runs in game 1 against the Yankees. 2 HORRIBLE starts against boston, giving up runs in the first inning.
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He's still throwing a lot of innings for the Yankees. His high watermarks were 241 for us and 253 the year we traded him. He then threw 230 and 237 for the Yankees.
Looking at his final 2 months of each season, (using 11 games in each, since that was what he pitched in the final 2 months in 2007) he pitched 80 innings in his final 11 games in 2007 ....... 81.2 in his final 11 games in 2008 ...... 74.2 in his final 11 games in 2009 ..... and 77.2 in his final 11 games in 2010. That's really not a huge difference. He's always been a guy who goes deep in ballgames.
There's a lot of spotlight in NY .... but it's also divided among many players. Who is A-Rod doing this week? Did she notice the effects of his steroid use? Who is Jeter dating this week? There's always some real, or imagined scandal surrounding the Yankees. Sabathia has quietly done a good job for the team. Somehow he is almost invisible in NY, where he was the most visible player in Cleveland. Kinda weird, but I think that it helped him. He got the big stage without the biggest pressure.
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j/c too much national praise lately for Carrasco. I have a feeling he's in for a 'dip' in his performance like any young pitcher. They tend to happen when the national pundits finally get around to lauding them (because it takes so long it tends to be at the tailend of a good stretch) Quote:
Anyone feel like ranking the Best Players Traded for Cliff Lee over the past two years? Well, we do. And clearly, Justin Smoak (the centerpiece of last year's Seattle-Texas swap) would rank first. But Carlos Carrasco, who seemed like just another name on the list when Lee went from Cleveland to Philadelphia in 2009, has whooshed by the rest of the field to become the clear-cut No. 2. Carrasco is 6-1, 2.80 ERA over his past seven starts for the Indians, and an especially dazzling 3-0, 0.42 over his past three.
"The thing I'm seeing that's different about him," said one scout, "is, he used to look very insecure trying to pitch with good stuff. He didn't have much feel for what he was trying to accomplish. Now, he's got a much better look. He's more confident. And he's got much better mound presence. He's really progressed."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings110621
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Picked up the hat on the left today. Had been looking for one of these for years because they don't sell them at Lids or at the Indians team shop, finally found them at Fan For Life at Richmond Mall. I wish the Indians would go back to this style of hat. I HATE the small Wahoo hat and especially the brighter shade of blue on the right. (a big reason why the C hat is so popular is because it's a darker blue). http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a...3_4943898_n.jpg
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Glad to see the Indians get back on the winning track tonight with a 4-3 win over the Rockies. Still holding on .... precariously ..... to a 1 game lead in the division. The Tigers are into their cupcake portion of their schedule, so this is an important time for the Tribe to bear down.
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I got to go to tonight's game. Seats behind and to the left of home plate, about six rows back. Beautiful night for baseball, and above all, a Tribe victory!
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I agree. The bigger Wahoo and the darker blue is better. I have the hat on the right as well as it fades better with the sun here in Texas, but I have regretted it. Both my sons have the style of hat on the left (youth size of course).
Also, the 1948 throwback hat is my favorite. Yellow-Wahoo though it's the lighter blue (the darker blue doesn't work as well with the yellow anyway).
I wish they could figure out the licensing to sell the Bob Feller patch on a hat. I would buy that for sure.
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Hafner is back and hitting. He's been a big boost to why they had a successful homestand.
Now that the Indians have three road interleague series coming up, he'll be stuck on the bench waiting for PH opportunities. It's going to be rough.
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I know he's a rag-arm, and certainly no Will Clark around the bag, but I don't see why Hafner can't play first at least a couple-three games on this road trip. I don't expect to see him make diving stops in the hole or turn a nifty 3-6-3 DP, but we need those at bats from him.
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especially with LaPorta hurt, so it's not like we have a regular 1B out there anyway.
i'll ask it more bluntly. does Hafner really take away more from our defense than O-Cab takes away from our offense? (and then add in that O-Cab is playing out of position at 3B and forcing Hannahan to play out of position at 1B as well)
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Choo's out with a broken thumb. Man, yesterday's game was a mess. Santana had a mess of a game .... committing 2 errors on the field, plus some stupid baserunning. Hafner probably couldn't have been much worse.  Carrasco deserved better. He pitched, again, one hell of a game, and allowed 1 earned run in a complete game.
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I would say that its damn near time to buy Santana plane ticket to Columbus, but with LaPorta and now Choo out for a while we can't afford it, even as poorly as he plays in the field.
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Santana's shown signs of coming out of his slump. He's batting over .300 in his last 7 or 8 games, and has, I believe, 3 HR. He looks like he's starting to get things turned around. He's up to .233 ..... and considering that he was at .215 not that long ago ...... that's a big improvement.
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He has been hitting better (keeping in mind that "better" is always a relative term), but he's still a defensive liability anywhere other than behind the plate.
In any event, the seasons that he, Choo and LaPorta have been having have been bitter disappointments. I could forgive some fielding errors if these guys were hitting closer to .300, but mediocre fielding AND poor hitting from the position players that are supposed to have the three biggest bats? Not good.
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Its gonna be hard to watch in the next 15 days, watching Kearns or Duncan play everyday, can't stand either one. I would rather call a kid up from A or AA to play RF than one of those two.
As for Hafner, as least he put the ball in play!
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Wow, unbiased telecast today. Probably one of three on the year (at least in Columbus)
I'd watch more baseball if I could get some unbiased games. 162 games in the year, I'd like to watch 20 without bias.
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Hat for bats, keep bats warm
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Carmona is slowly falling apart right now on national television.
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Well, we are in line to be swept by the team with the worst offense in baseball. Tigers are playing better and we are slumping big time. It was fun while it lasted, but 
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Grady just dropped a routine fly ball. I predict a Carmona meltdown right about now.
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