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Adam_P #598672 06/26/11 10:32 PM
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We definitely hit a rough patch ..... but I suspect that we'll look at making some moves if we're still hanging around at the All Star break.

I've come around ..... we definitely need a right handed power bat.


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I think I see an island off in the distance. I'll camp out there until the S.S. Cleveland Brown comes along in September.


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Yeah, completely disgusted by the way of play. We know they can be good because of what they did during the first part of the season, so this is just that much more painful and unacceptable.


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Are the Cleveland Indians serious about contending? Choo's replacement will tell the tale: Bud Shaw's Sunday Sports Spin

Published: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 3:30 PM Updated: Sunday, June 26, 2011, 4:13 PM

By Bud Shaw, The Plain Dealer

Can a team desperate for some offense really let Lonnie Chisenhall spend the majority of the summer in Columbus without a chance to help at Progressive Field? Bud Shaw isn't sure of the answer, but he thinks someone should address the question.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- What if Austin Kearns is the summer replacement for Shin-Soo Choo and plays like the same tired rerun he's been all season (.198, zero home runs, two RBI)?

What if Jack Hannahan compiles as many RBI in July as he has so far in June (put that calculator away mathletes. The family dog could tap out this answer --three -- with one paw tied behind its back)?

What if Lonnie Chisenhall is hitting in Columbus, or even if he isn't? Is it time to bring him up?

What if Ryan Ludwick were available (he is) and the Indians could get him without giving up an A-list prospect? (They probably could.) So long as the Indians' plan in the outfield amounts to recycling, why not Ludwick?

Choo could miss six to eight weeks with a broken thumb. I know. The Indians have already missed him for six or eight weeks, but recently he showed signs of waking from that slumber. His injury further complicates matters for a team caught in the middle.

Is 2011 only about rebuilding? April and, to a lesser degree, May said that wasn't the case. The Tribe's quick start was a concrete block tied to the gas pedal. So it's about contending then? The standings would suggest as much approaching the midway point.

But does playing sub .500 baseball for the past seven weeks mandate a big move at the All-Star break? The Indians hoped to get some answers with the return of Travis Hafner, hoping it would coincide with Choo hitting his stride, or any stride for that matter.

Now this.

The way they're playing, they're giving ownership a reason -- call it an excuse if you must -- to hold off on making a major move at the trade deadline. "Major" is defined by any trade that costs them one of their top prospects.

In the meantime, putting Chisenhall on the fast track and pursuing Ludwick are reasonable alternatives. One costs the Indians nothing, except some defense at third. That's nothing to dismiss. Hannahan's been terrific. This is the American League, however, and if this team doesn't hit, the playoffs are going to slip away.

The other -- Ludwick -- would cost the Dolans two or three million depending on the timing of the deal. Ludwick is a free agent after the season. His numbers aren't great but, not surprisingly, he's hitting better away from Petco Park.

Is he the answer? No. He's an answer. The Indians will have to cure their offensive anemia in medicinal doses.

There's a middle ground between mortgaging the future and not doing anything. Ownership and management owe it to the players and the fans alike to explore every inch of it.

http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2011/06/are_the_cleveland_indians_seri.html

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I just got back from the game in SF. The Tribe "hitters" were intept. They struck out what...16 times tonight? It was pretty sad to see a team that was clicking on all cylinders just a month ago go into such a team wide offensive funk. Hopefully, they'll do better in AZ. At least Carmona wasn't terrible this evening.


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If I was GM here are a few moves I would make first thing tomorrow:

Beau Mills 1B - Cut Austin Kearns

Jerad Head RF - Cut Shelley Duncan, 9 out of 10 dawgtalkers could hit better than duncan

Lonnie Chisenhall 3B - Cut Adam Everitt

I'm tired of all the K's, I'm tired of no emotion, I'm tired of the complacency, the Lou Marson, Carlos Santana 1B/C has to stop, Mills fixes this, bring him up and play him everyday!

If we are going to hit like #@&T, at least bring up the young kids to do it, you never know you might find that star. I know Kearns, and Duncan will never be stars.

Don't get me wrong I love Hannahan's D, but he doesn't hit for #@&t.

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I agree that it's time to bring up the future of the team and let them start growing at the Major League level.


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You can't be serious. Beau Mills?? The same guy that got a demotion to double a Akron. Kearns and Duncan might be scrubs, but Beau Mills isn't the solution to our problems.

If we're going to win the division we're going to have to trade for veterans. You can't expect guys like chisenhall, and phelps to save the day. Heck if we play better defense this weekend, we probably win 2 out of 3. We gave the games away on friday and saturday.

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I never thought I would say this, but could we get Johnny Peralta back.?? Guy is on fire with the tigers, hitting .308, 12hr, 45 rbi.

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We are not trading for any veterans, you know this. I don't care if Mills was demoted, I just know he is a better option than Santana playing 1B, or Hannahan.

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Hitting a guy in a bar =/= hitting a baseball with a bat

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ugh, at least the Tribe isn't the Nationals? (well, we do have Acta, Kearns, and soon Nick Johnson...uh oh)

anyways, this line was hilarious with Joe Pos taking Riggleman to task on his decision

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The “Nationals are a bad organization,” principle seems true, but they’re the ones who hired Riggleman in the first place.





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Lonnie Chisenhall 3B - Cut Adam Everitt




Well you got one right.


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Is Talbot throwing BP out there, or is this a real game?

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well, he's settled down at least. BP is Blackburn vs. the Dodgers of all teams.


and Lonnie just screamed a double. nice.


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And this is why I hate the NL style of play.

1st and 3rd with no one out ....... in a 1 run game ..... 5th inning ...... and the damn pitcher comes to the plate.


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totally agree. and i hate it more when the manager takes OUT the pitcher when he's doing allright in that situation.

anyways, a shame Phelps couldn't get that clutch hit. he's been hitting the ball pretty well lately, just right at people.


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Yeah, I saw that. 12-0 last I checked.

Wasted double though unfortunately. I hate that Brantley went down with the bat on his shoulder. Got to find a way to put it in play there. He has been better than that most of the year.

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Asdrubal leads off the inning with a double ..... maybe they will finally get a clutch hit?


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santana walks. what else when he's "protected" by slumping Sizemore.


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Let's see if Lonnie can breathe some life here.

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and Buck gets the hit with RISP, but Santana fails to advance on the throw to home. we get the run, but cmon he should have easily been at 3rd.


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Lonnie with the RBI

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ummm, nevermind. Lonnie gets Santana home as Upton was afraid to throw home after his last bad one.


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and Talbot is done despite retiring 10 batters in a row. stupid NL.


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No kidding. Fortunately we have a rock-solid bullpen.

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watching the game with the AZ crew because I always liked them when I was in PHX and they don't "homer" announce things. they are just drooling over our bullpen.


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At least we almost won today

Um, yeah, see what had happened was

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We're up 5-4 in the 9th. Diamondbacks have a runner on 2nd with 2 ouuts ......

Ans the Indians win on Orland Cabrera's home run in the top of the 9th!

Perez with save #19.


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And Brandon Phillips went 4 for 5!

Whoops. Wrong thread.

Who's your second baseman again?

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And Brandon Phillips went 4 for 5!

Whoops. Wrong thread.

Who's your second baseman again?




that's okay, you got 1 allstar 2B from us. we've gotten 2 allstar SSs from Seattle.

oh, and probably not the day to be knocking our 2B when we won off a 9th inning HR from a 2B.


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How about Josh Tomlin helping his own cause, driving in Chisenhall with a 2 out base hit?

The only player so far with 2 hits tonight? Josh Tomlin.


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Uggggh. Choo is out till, at the very least, September. He had a major fracture and had a plate put in his hand.

It's time to bring up Ezequiel Carrera. He's hitting .285 at Columbus, and has speed, speed, speed.


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Considering Choo was struggling to hit his weight, I think the break might help clear his noggin. Dude has had a rough few months (his fault of course).

With a win tonight, the Tribe can be back in first place.


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Hopefully some of the youngsters can come up and make a big time positive impact.

Injuries have been a killer so far this year. Well, injuries and Carmona's struggles.


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A Wily Mo Pena sighting

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A Wily Mo Pena sighting with the walk off....


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Sipp almost never gives up runs. Hard to believe that he gave up 2 in a single inning.


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willy mo is all or nothing. tonight, we got to see 'all' frustrating watching a guy with that many holes in his swing hit one over the fence.


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He did it to Detroit last week too.


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