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Former Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor shouldn't have to look far for his ideal NFL fit. If they're smart, the neighboring Cleveland Browns should be the first team in line to take the raw and talented prospect in next month's supplemental draft.

Cleveland, coming off back-to-back 5-11 seasons, is desperate for talent at any position. Pryor presents the perfect scenario for the Browns: He comes at no risk but could offer a high reward.

Pryor is projected to be a fourth-round pick in July's supplemental draft by everyone not named Drew Rosenhaus. That's a modest cost for someone with Pryor's athletic ability, big-game experience and pedigree. That is especially the case for the Browns, who have nine draft picks next year -- including two first-rounders -- following a cunning trade with the Atlanta Falcons.

The Browns have draft picks to spare in 2012. Why not grab Pryor now and begin teaching him the nuances of the NFL game?

In Cleveland, Pryor would work with two quarterback gurus -- Browns president Mike Holmgren and head coach Pat Shurmur. The pair developed NFL quarterbacks such as Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, Donovan McNabb and Sam Bradford, just to name a few. Like many observers, I have doubts about Pryor at quarterback in the NFL. But I like his chances a lot better working with Holmgren and Shurmur.

At best, Pryor turns out to be a viable starting quarterback in the NFL. Otherwise, Pryor could try his talents at wide receiver. Oh, by the way, the Browns need help there, too. They have arguably the league's worst group of receivers.

Holmgren said after the draft that his only regret was that Cleveland didn't select a developmental quarterback in the later rounds.

"I think philosophically, I always like to take a quarterback in the draft late," Holmgren explained. "But that also had to make sense. This year, based on our roster needs and what we had and what we needed to do, we did the right thing. Now, are we finished adding to the quarterback pile? I don’t think so. ... I think we are going to try and figure out a way to get another guy in here."

Adding Pryor in the supplemental draft would address those concerns.

Despite his big name, Pryor would not be a threat to second-year quarterback Colt McCoy, who enters the year as the starter. Pryor and McCoy played in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl and developed a healthy respect for each other in college.

Pryor would provide "McCoy insurance" for Cleveland, which is needed. The Browns are backing McCoy this season, but no one knows for sure if he is the long-term solution. With Pryor, the Browns would have two young quarterbacks to develop simultaneously and could double their chances of having one pan out.

Behind McCoy is backup Seneca Wallace, who signed a three-year extension in March and knows the West Coast offense better than anyone. But the third quarterback spot is there for the taking.

Struggling veteran Jake Delhomme, 36, is holding the seat warm until a new collective bargaining agreement is reached. After that, Delhomme’s immense $5.4 million salary kicks in and Cleveland is expected to terminate his contract.

If you were general manager of the Browns, would you rather have an aging, overpaid veteran as the third-string quarterback, or an inexpensive player with upside like Pryor, who may develop into something greater down the road? The answer is a no-brainer.

The Browns are not the favorites to land Pryor. The current regime has taken a conservative approach to building the team's foundation -- and there's nothing wrong with that. Drafting Pryor is anything but conservative, but this would be a perfect calculated risk for Cleveland to take.

The worst-case scenario is that Pryor flops in the NFL and the Browns miss on a fourth-round pick, a spot that doesn't have a high success rate to begin with. Cleveland could wait to use that pick next year on a punter or a right guard and get the same result.

Opportunity is knocking in Cleveland. The team just has to be smart enough and willing enough to answer the door.

The Browns would be wise this summer to take a flier on Terrelle Pryor.

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c'mon, James . . . !

Pryor needs to get out of the state of Ohio. If he was on the Browns he would be dogged by the Ohio State crap forever.

Just like LeBron is only dogged in Ohio . . .

In all seriousness, Pryor's best bet, in my opinion, is to be picked up by someone like the Steelers or Pats. Somewhere SOLID w/ good leadership from the top down to the players in his locker room. Somewhere where he can always be taught how to mature.

OK, ok, Big Ben is another story . . .

And he & that attention seeking agent of his need to end the QB pipe-dream.

I could see Dallas going after him. If Romo doesn't prove himself in the postseason soon (maybe another 1 or 2 years?) ... Jones would love having the talent of Pryor.

Plus I think Jones has seen enough of McNabb's mobility with the Eagles and now Vicks ... he wants his own athletic QB is my *guess* ... Pryor with Austin, Bryant, Witten and Felix Jones in the backfield? you'd have some flash and speed ..

So what happens if he goes undrafted in the supplimental draft?

Personally, I never cared for him as a QB. But I'm also not a big fan of college ball and have only watched him a few times.

I agree, take him, nothing to lose and potential huge upside. The past is the past, he'll get his shot somewhere, we need talent, it might as well be here. I'd have no problem with us taking him at all.

wasn't going to go out of my way to start a thread on pryor but since it was started...

completely agree. i have no problem using a 5th or lower on him. we have great qb people, and strong leadership who can make sure it's understood pryor is NOT in the picture as a qb. he's qb #3 and is purely learning. what would we have to lose? with development, he might develop into trade bait or a backup plan in case colt falters. this is a no brainer for me if the price is right.

If Pryor goes undrafted he becomes a UDFA free to sign with anyone. If no one signs him, look for him to be joining the nearest UFL team near you (though I highly doubt that happens)

I don't think we should take him and it has nothing to do with Pryor.

If we're committed to letting Colt try and be the starter, the last thing we need to do IMO is bring in another young, unproven high-profile QB. Both guys will need a lot of guidance (read: time) from the coaches. If he starts to struggle, we don't need the calls from the fans and the media to put in Pryor.

I don't think it would be good for Colt's development.

I say he ends up being a Bengal or a Bill.

I'd rather have us sign Tiki Barber than draft this bum.

If you are going with just the guy who is a better human being, there is no question who you take...Terrelle Pryor.

Might take him as an extra arm for camp. Cheap is cheap. I don't care for a lot of his QB werk, but I like the athleticism. And he certainly has shown some running skills, but not in the Bigs. Might have value as he develops if he is coached well, and is interesting trade bait for the desperate if we don't pan any gold. I might be interested if he can avoid his drama coach/agent. Any nonsense: Pass!

He would be a really interesting pickup given his physical abilities. The whole QB vs WR thing has me thinking he would be Seneca Wallace 2.0 (can play WR and also be a backup QB, rocket arm with little accuracy, etc). The more I think about it, the more I believe his floor would be Seneca Wallace. That's not that bad.

I don't think we could do much better with a 4-5th round pick. He certainly won't be my favorite player, but it's hard to deny the value in pursuing him for that price.

If he suddenly developed enough sense to dump that idiot Rosenhaus, then he would be a shoe-in in my book.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe his floor would be Seneca Wallace. That's not that bad.

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The more I think about it, the more I believe his ceiling would be Akili Smith...if and only if he learns how to throw. That is very bad.

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enough sense to dump that idiot Rosenhaus

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Professionally, that's about the only thing he has going for him right now. That and sick physical attributes. If he can take his game to the next level, he'll be everything you want in a pro QB. The last thing I'd worry about is who his agent is.

Pryor simply isn't an NFL quarterback. 4 or 5 year project quarterback at best. As a QB, I would not spend a 7th on him to be honest.

I love the idea of bringing him in and begin transferring his skill set to that of a ball hawking free safety. I would spend a 4th easily, maybe even a 3rd if i am convinced he would be willing to work his tail off to learn the position. Size, range, long arms and that quick burst needed for the position.

w/ the extra 6th round picks we have.. if he falls that far.. I'm sure Heckert would think twice about getting him at that point.

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From what I hear coming out of OSU these days TP was not a positive influence in the locker room. Why anyone would think he would be otherwise in the Cleveland locker room is beyond me.

If the Browns pick him up, thats fine but I will be a skeptic till proven otherwise.

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i would puke

You have to take this article with the understanding that people, often people who don't give a hoot if the Browns succeed, are often going to suggest, (or try to pawn off) bad or marginal players as someone who could join the Browns.

I don't think James Walker, who I have listened to his local radio stints for a few years now, fits into that characterization.

But He could be writing this because others are kind of stiring up the waters with talk.

The Browns, because of their common losing season record, and the habit of having many injuries by the time the months of Nov. and Dec. come around have maybe lost respect as a team that is going to contend.

This could at one time have been true of the teams Tampa Bay, or Atlanta in the 1980's or early 1990's and even the Patriots in the 80's, and almost always for the Saints (prior to 1995).
The Browns have to work to change perceptions.

If they use anything higher than a 6th round pick in the supplemental for TP, then I'll be
What is he going to do? Run the wildcat? They have Cribbs, Wallace, Hardesty, Little,

I hope he joins the Rough Riders of the CFL..

It could also be that James Walker only covers the AFC North for espn ... and because we are in a division with Flacco and Roethlisberger... there are only 2 teams who could be still looking for an impact player at Quarterback.

And one of those two teams just drafted their next franchise leader in the 2nd without officially getting rid of their last franchise qb... so I doubt they need another one.

That being said ... I really have no idea how high TP will go.. but I wouldn't give up anything before the 5th and maybe not the 6th.

For all we know, a 4th rounder for us could be the 96th to 100th pick. No way I give that up.

J/C

If the browns really feel they need a new QB after this season, that in all likelyhood means they are drafting quite high. And then combine the additional 1st from Atlanta and add a bit more and its not all that far fetched to think they could get the number 1 overall. We all know who that will be.

So no, i don't waste a pick on TP. He's a punk; Jamarcus Russell II- give him the money and he is done. I save those picks, and if needed package them to move up to number one.

And honestly, i think Colt is going to be just fine.

I agree with you too much baggage.

I'm no guru but:

WCO requires Accuracy

Pryor isn't so why would we take him at a QB?

WR? maybe, RB? not sure but maybe. Safety? Hmm

You are correct that Pryor has no fit as a WCO QB. His only place in the NFL is WR IMO.

The biggest thing is the timing in my opinion. If he cam out in the draft, a team like New England, Indianapolis, Dallas, San Diego (teams with established QB's that could use him) could all have picked him up.

Now you would have to draft him and even though he needs a lot of work he might not hit the field and get your playbook until .... September?

Well, he may miss nothing if the lockout continues.

If you tell me he's going to work his butt off on kick coverage, PR/KR duties, RB/WR, and even help on dime defensive situations to prove his worth....I'd be interested using a 5th or 6th rounder (not as the Browns GM....just a general NFL GM).

If he's deadset on being an NFL QB and that's it, bye-bye.

Well I think if there's no controversy or drew rosenhaus ... i would spend a 7th on him. That being said ... if he isn't going to have any offseason to prepare (plus the controversy) I think we might as well keep Jarret Brown as the 3rd stringer. At least he has been on the team and learning the offense - or so I would believe.

Take him ... if he has no potential at QB he would be a helluva WR with his speed and agility.

USC his freshman year. I wanted moved to WR then. His size and strength reminds me of Plaxico with a lot more speed.

I have to say, "Yes the Browns should get him", and I bet it take a 3rd round pick or better to get him. He broke the OSU record for consecutive completions, at 16 in a row. 65% completion for the season and 68.8 at home, Mccoy was 70.2. Plus he is 6-6 tall and has a good arm. He was projected to be between the 10th and 6th best QB next year,
Mike said he likes to pick a QB each year, I bet we will try to get him, just don't see the browns going over a 3rd for him, but they might do a 2nd, if Mike likes him.
no way is he a 5th rounder, no way.

Oh and looky here...
Cleveland Browns doing their research on Terrelle Pryor for NFL supplemental draft
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/06/cleveland_browns_doing_their_r.html