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I hated this draft. I was rooting for a bunch of crazy trades and I barely got one. I thought for sure David Kahn would do something outrageous.
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I don't understand why everyone hates this draft so much. This draft was fantastic for us, all things considered. We got one piece of the puzzle for a title run I think in Kyrie Irving. He would be the second or third best of a big 3, which in a draft widely regarded as being very weak that's a pretty good haul.
We drafted a solid PF at #4 who in a few years when we are ready to start contending should be a nice member of the supporting cast. He looks like he will be what JJ Hickson should have been by now.
This frees us up to trade Hickson to someone who thinks they can develop his talent for more assets, or keep him and try to develop him into 6th man type player coming off the bench for our future run once our team is built.
After that, we just drafted BPA, and we flipped a 2nd round pick in a weak draft and turned him into 2 future 2nd round picks in (presumably) stronger drafts.
We're acquiring assets to make deals to allow us to compete in a few years, like Jamison and Baron's contracts, young players with potential, and draft picks, which is how you build in the NBA. If we traded those assets for a guy like Igoudala who is in his late 20s and a not a superstar, we'd be stuck in NBA purgatory, the bottom playoff seeds. Never get a high enough pick to draft a game changing player, never lure one in free agency.
The only other ways to build a contender in the NBA is to get one of your former players to get a front office job and trade you one for free, and Mark Price works for the Hawks who don't have any star players. Or, we could sign a bunch of stars in free agency, but last I checked Cleveland isn't a tropical paradise and you conservatives don't believe in global warming, so losing while you acquire players who will be good after they have a few years under their belts and then contend when they're ready is the route we have to take, and so far we're doing a good job staying on that route.
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Logic doesn't work sometimes man, lol. I'm like you - I think it was a fine draft out of the Cavs. I wasn't thinking they were gonna be runaway favorites for the 2012 Championship before the draft and I don't think they will be now... but they're a better team than yesterday and have clearly set themselves up to do more moving forward.
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it's not that anyone thought we were going to win a championship anytime soon.
it's basically, we have no wing players, only 1 proven Center (AV who we might trade), and a bunch of PGs and PFs. Tristan has to prove he was worth passing on one of the few centers in this draft (Jonas) or he was a bit of a waste (barring a Hickson trade that benefits us).
there's still alot of work to do after this draft basically, where a bunch of us were hoping to get a center at #4 (Kanter or Jonas) and a scoring wing with #32 (Honeycutt, Jenkins, etc.).
it's quite possible that we made the smart moves and will be the better for it, but we are allowed to be a little disappointed today as well.
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Would anybody go for a JJ + AV + Trade Exception to the Lakers for Bynum?
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Would anybody go for a JJ + AV + Trade Exception to the Lakers for Bynum?
Heck no.
Where is all of this love for Bynum coming from? I have never been a fan of his, and he has glass knees.
No thank you.
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I don't want to get rid of JJ just to try to make the Thompson pick look good.
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The only pick that leaves me scratching my head is Tristian Thompson at #4.
Personally, I would have gone a different route and taken Kanter at #1, then either Irving, Williams, or Knight would have been there for me at #4.
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Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker.
Kyrie Irving and Jonas Valanciunas.
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Would anybody go for a JJ + AV + Trade Exception to the Lakers for Bynum?
Nay.
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Got in a big debate this morning About Derrick Williams VS Beasley comiong out as a Pro prospect. I thought Beasley was a better pro prospect and didn't think it was close. His stats were insane, he rebounded at significantly higher rate, was bigger, more athletic, shot a higher FT%, and had more blocks per game. What are some of your thoughts? IMO, he's letting Beasley's pro career cloud his judgement and listening to The Really Big Show slobber all over Williams taint his judgement.
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Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker.
Kyrie Irving and Jonas Valanciunas.
I would have been okay with Derrick Williams at #1. However, I don't like Kemba Walker as an NBA prospect at all. He reminds me of Sebastian Telfair.
As far as Jonas, I don't wan't a guy that probably won't even play this year.
My ideal draft would have been Kanter at #1, then Knight at #4.
That's not my Kentucky homerism, either. I would have taken Kanter, cuz I think he's the best player in the draft. Obviously I would have had Irving and Williams ahead of Knight, but if we would have gone Kanter at 1, Williams would have gone 2, and Irving would have gone 3.
I think there was a huge drop off from #3 to #4 in this draft.
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personally I think Irving would have gone #2 and Minny would have shopped that pick to the highest bidder. utah would have paid a premium to swap spots. heck, if we had wanted kanter, we should have traded with Utah ourselves.
but, I think you always go BPA at #1. and I think Irving was BPA.
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interesting thoughts I have seen that the Thompson pick doesn't necessarily spell the end of Hickson (since they could conceivably be on the floor together), but it could mean we are going to trade AV to a contender (since it's going to be really hard to have AV on the floor with either Thompson or Hollins now. and, AV has the highest value and is the oldest of those players, which is why he would be the one to be traded)
I don't think LA has what we need (young players + possible high draft picks), but there are lots of teams that would really like AV. the issue is finding one that has the assets to make the deal.
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ok, just to have it out there. here is our roster today (I adjusted it to my liking, obviously not all would have Baron at SG).
PG: Irving/Sessions
SG: Baron/Gibson
SF: Eyenga/Harris/Graham
PF: Hickson/Thompson/Jamison/Harangody
C: AV/Hollins/Erden/Samuels
That's 15 players for 15 spots. So, there may have been a reason we traded away pick #32 for future picks and drafted a guy at #54 who won't play this upcoming season in the NBA.
Still, not only are we light on quality wings (playing Baron out of position as well as not having a starting quality SF again), but we are light in wing depth as well.
Jamison is the 'best' guy to move but that can't happen until the new CBA and then likely nearer the trade deadline of whenever the season starts. AV has the highest value and is the oldest of those players outside Jamison, which is why he could be the one to be traded to get a SF.
I'm not looking for an improvement to a playoff seed (that would actually be a detriment), but I'd really like to see the team play decent basketball and get to 30 wins.
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This makes me want to vomit.
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This makes me want to vomit.
that alone is why I was upset we passed on Honeycutt at #32. maybe he turns out not any better than those guys, but we could at least pretend for a few months until we knew 
seriously though, I wish we would just buyout/cut Graham and be done with him. Eyenga could evolve into a defensive presense. Harris isn't good, but might improve and be a slightly below average backup. Graham is what he is and it's not NBA-worthy IMO.
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Like it's been said before, we're going to get a slasher in the draft next year.
It's like we're accepting we're going to be bad again this year, might as well wait and get one of those guys next year.
We should end up with one of these guys next year...
Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, James McAdoo, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller
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This makes me want to vomit.
+3, this makes me sick as well, we needed a scorer in this draft and didn't get one. We need to make a trade for a legit threat!
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I know, I just wish we had somebody that could play slightly below average at the SF spot and didn't have to put 2 guys out of position just to field the SG spot (and what happens when we have 2 guard injuries at the same time)
and just say no to Perry Jones.
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I disagree with you on Jones. I like Jones a lot, actually.
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If I was starting at team 100% from scratch, I'd have Jones at #5 on my board.
1. Anthony Davis
2. Harrison Barnes
3. Jared Sullinger
4. Quincy Miller
5. Perry Jones
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The Lakers would never do that trade. They won't even trade Bynum for Dwight Howard.
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I know we disagree on him. I have just seen him get his lunch money taken away by too many physical players to have much confidence in him right now.
the good thing is that he went back to school and can hopefully add some bulk and season his game a bit. the bad thing is I don't think he can change his demeanor (I hope I'm wrong as it would be another good player in the draft if he can)
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The new CBA will probably have an amnesty clause or "Allan Houston" rule. This is from the 2005 CBA: Quote:
One of the most interesting parts of the new NBA agreement is the so-called 'Allan Houston Rule', which allows teams to waive one player prior to October 1, without having to pay any further luxury tax on the player's contract. It is called the Allan Houston Rule, because the Knicks will certainly use it to rid themselves of Houston, who is often injured and is still owed $40 million. Michael Finley, who is owed $51 million by the Mavericks, is another potential candidate.
This is a very odd idea. Under the rule, a team that waives a player must still pay the entire contract, even if the player signs with another team. Thus, Houston is guaranteed to receive $40 million worth of checks from New York on top of the money he will receive if he signs with another team. So, in essence, he will be getting paid twice (though his second check will "only" be about $5 million a year). In addition, New York receives no salary cap relief. Thus, the team pays the player a full salary and for salary cap purposes it is like the player is still on the roster.
So why would any team do this? The answer lies in the incredibly stringent NBA luxury tax. If league-wide player salaries exceed 61% of basketball-related income (ticket sales, television rights, concessions, sponsorships, etc), then each team must pay a $1 tax for each $1 it is over the 61% threshold. For a team like New York, whose payroll was about $40 million over the threshold last year, this is a lot of money. Moreover, teams not over the 61% threshold can hold onto the exemption until a year that they are, which in essence gives them free reign one year to spend as much as possible under the cap without paying any luxury tax penalty.
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This should look more like: Quote:
PG: Irving/Baron/Sessions/Gibson
SG: ...
SF: Eyenga/Harris/Graham
PF: Hickson/AV/Thompson/Jamison/Harangody/Samuels
C: Hollins/Erden
Nothing at the SG spot, and close to D-leaguers at SF and Center. Sure we'll probably play guys out of position to fill those spots, but that's pretty much the reason why people are bummed with the draft.
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on defense, I think AV actually plays the 5spot better (except against Dwight, but that can be said for alot of guys).
otherwise, I agree.
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this made me feel a little better about the draft from Simmons Grantland: Quote:
Cleveland just had five weeks to think about this pick, but that's not stopping them from milking the clock for another five minutes just to remind Clipper fans that the Clips gave away this pick to get rid of Baron Davis.
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I really don't like Simmons' articles. It's like he expects everyone else to care about his teams as much as he does. I think it has to do with him growing up in Boston. Those fans are just intolerable, and I think he's a prime example. "Yeah, but what does this thing you're telling me mean to/compare to/impact the Red Sox/Pats/Celtics/Clippers?"
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i liked his stuff 10 years ago. he had some of that then sure, but the whole writing articles from a fan point of view was relatively new and he did it well.
then Boston teams became really good and he decided to spend more time on insufferable podcasts, etc. making his whole schtick jump the shark.
but, i'll still read a few columns he still does that I had liked once upon a time (the NBA draft, NBA value, NFL power ranking, and a couple others)
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Originally he wrote from a great angle ... as a long suffering fan from a loyal fan base, who had no real contact with celebrities or athletes like most reporters normally do.
Now Boston's won all kinds of championships and he's hanging out with the Hollywood crowd ... pretty much becoming the guy he used to make fun of in his columns.
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she has to be like 6'4".
if she can shoot, then we need to sign her for SG?
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ok, here's one idea at starting to fix the current conundrum of our roster (though certainly not the most ideal as Ellis is not very efficient. also, i would rather trade for a SF since we can play Baron at SG if necessary but really have noone at SF.)
AV, Gibson
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financial flexibility doesn't change much as the salaries are pretty much an overall wash. also, I think Monta ‘can’ play defense. at least he should be able to and Scott might be able to get him to do it.
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How many guys on our team were born in America?
Irving was born in Australia. Tristan was born in Canada.
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I don't see the advantage of adding another PG/ small Guard to the mix. Subtracting Gibson wouldn't bother me .... but losing AV to get another PG would.
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i'd also like to steal Speights away from the 76ers (they drafted Vucevic, so his time is likely done there), but I don't see an obvious way to do it unless the 76ers are willing to take our trash errr Joey Graham and one of those 2nd rounders we are stashing.
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I don't see the advantage of adding another PG/ small Guard to the mix. Subtracting Gibson wouldn't bother me .... but losing AV to get another PG would.
Monta is a SG. At least he should be. He's a slashing/scoring SG (think Wade just not nearly as good ).
We need wing players and I view Monta as a wing (SG). Also, it could setup a trade of Baron Davis if he plays well to start the year because we would be a bit more stable at guard.
I'm looking for 'better' ways with available guys, but I'm not seeing it yet. I'd love to steal Speights from the 76ers (they just drafted Vucevic to take his spot), but unless they are willing to take Joey Graham and a couple 2nds then I don't see it.
not sure who else at the wing is really available for the assets we have to give.
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Ellis is 6'3" ... so he'd be a short combo Guard type at best. I don't like him at SG at all. I would rather limp through next season with Eyenga at SG and take another year's worth of lumps to get a lottery, impact player at SG/SF than to try and bandaid the position with a guy who may not fit.
Just my ever so humble opinion.
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