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You articulated it better then I. That's pretty much the point I was trying to make. 
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Just clicking Seems that the lawsuit brought by a group of players (tom brady and others) is being dropped and will not hold up the process http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82..._headline_stackthat's progress right?
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It has to be dropped or it would stop the process.
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Seems that the lawsuit brought by a group of players (tom brady and others) is being dropped and will not hold up the process
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82..._headline_stack
that's progress right?
That is indeed good news.
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That was a major hurdle and now the only thing remaining is the Doty tv case *with the players wanting 320 mil for lost revenue for last year* and nflpa vote and recertification. (the drug testing and a few other items wont be worked on until after the union is reformed)
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No, what he said was it that the fans (us) don't know how many things have been agreed to but he also says there are "many" details to be agreed to. And I'm saying how does he know there are a lot of things yet to be agreed to if the fans (him too) don't know what has been agreed to.
Ok. I see that now. Bolstering one's position I assume. Unusual for mac. 
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I'm thinking the players are now looking to extend their summer break and knock out a few training camp days
If they asked me, I'd say hey how about Aug 7 , 15 days then they can rush through a couple things and still have opening day on time.
It is a really hot summer and we haven't heard of any player deaths from the heat in training camp, so maybe this lockout this year was a blessing.
Pre-season isn't for the players anyway, and the Owners need to face some cost to having this lockout even just to make them not so eager to rush into it next time. And if that cost is only the logistics of refunding pre-season ticket purchases then so there.
College does not have any pre-season games, and every year Browns players get injured in pre-season games anyway,
It is something I like less and less, another thing bad about a pre-season game It's not on on Sunday and they play the same lousy teams I don't want to see again also, Chicago, and Detroit.
The only thing special about the 3rd pre-season game is the talk about it.
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Sorry but no team in the league needs preseason more than the Browns. we may have 20 first and 2nd year players and we also have a new head coach, new offense and new defense. We could also see another 5 to 10 free agents brought in. We need every snap we can get.
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As a season ticket holder I can tell you that I won't shed a teer in ma beer if I don't have the pleasure of paying for the first two preseason games.
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 What's the worst that could happen? Do you have any film of the opening day home game vs the Steelers, I think it was 2007 because DA came in like a replacement goalie to play the final 45 minutes, so what's the worst that could happen the Browns could start out with bad play? I think the 1st snap, was a turnover, the 2nd was a score by the opponent, the next 3 we faced a browns punt from being backed up, the next few led to another score by the opponent. I looked at the clock it was 15 after 1, and the offense was stalling they were down 14 and about to give the ball back, that was With a full offseason, I survived that, the team moved on from that, so I don't think this collection of players would play Worse than that even if there is no practice. Just get it done in time to Whip the Bengals in the opener!
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Here's the situation as I understand it:
Goodell and Smith negotiated a deal over the course of the last few months. As with many negotiations things drag on until a time component enters the fray, in this case the loss of significant monies from preseason games.
As things come down to the wire, the deal gets done and is distributed first to the owners at their scheduled meeting. Once agreed to and signed by the owners Goodell has a press conference announcing the end of the lockout. The deal was bargained in good faith by the representative of the NFLPA (Smith) but had not been distributed to the players Executive Committee in finished form.
The Executive Committee and the respective team reps get their panties in a bunch because they haven't seen the finished deal and get on a conference call where someone convinces the reps that they've been "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" and other subtly racist things and that they need to make a stand to show that they're strong and in control here.
The issue to me is that they hired Smith to negotiate this deal and they've been fully in the loop as to all the things negotiated. Just because the owners vote and announce the end of the lockout....well they did that because they felt as though things had been bargained to in good faith and they did think it was the end.
Now as it pertains to all the final items....many things have to be collectively bargained which can only be bargained with a union. There is no union. It has to be reformed.
The fact that the Executive Committee and the player reps are holding this thing up is asinine.
I'm convinced that someone has gotten into the heads of some of these player reps and told them in racially insensitive terms that they're puppets of the white owners and that's now the root issue here. That's just my opinion when I see Takeo Spikes and others on TV and I hear the language that's being used.
I quoted your entire post because it is well stated and I hope against hope that it is in fact the way it went down. That would mean a swift ending to all this madness as soon as the players get in line with their chosen representatives.
But something in the process of it and it's aftermath of what is going on tells me that there never was a done deal but it was only presented that way.
The time line being one of those. The players and their representatives already know the time line to save losing any games. They did not have to have that dictated to them as though it were an ultimatum. If there's was a done deal worked out by both sides then it shouldn't even have come to mind that the players would have to be dictated to in the timeliness of their vote or the method and time line of their recertifying the union. That alone seems like an effort to hurry something through to cause an incomplete review of the proposal.
It's my guess the players want to hit the field more than anyone and would hurriedly vote yes on a done deal without being publicly reminded of how soon it has to happen to save games. They already knew that.
Who didn't know that exactly is the public and media of whom the NFL seemed to feel it necessary to inform. Otherwise they should not have to fear any issues if both sides had already worked out a deal. Nor should they have felt they had to make demands to hurry it through since the whole world knows the players want to get the game on and would have happily and hurriedly voted yes to get back on the field. That's been their mantra all along: "We want to play."
The Devil's in the details.
The other thing in and of itself is the method in which the NFL feels it necessary to dictate to, command or otherwise mandate anything to the players side in public, in front of the fans. As proof that it worked is in the many fan's disappointment in the players because they haven't adhered to the time line. If I'm a player or a player representative I take that as a sign of disrespect. Until an agreement is reached they are two equal sides negotiating a deal.
You don't win over the other side by making demands of them in public and they do need to win over the other side. But what you can accomplish is to create public attitude/pressure on them if you feel the other side may not completely embrace your new proposal. That way, if things don't happen in a hurry, it's not your proposal that is is in question but rather the obstinate nature perceived in the other side by the public who've bought into your presentation.
Proof that it works is all over this board.
I don't think the final proposal was that a deal that was bargained in good faith by the representative of the NFLPA (Smith). I haven't really heard anything to indicate that at all except coming from the NFL. If it was that then I don't think we'd be seeing any of this crap right now.
I think it was a "final" proposal written by the NFL after much had been agreed upon but not yet completed and some of the things in this latest, final proposal had not been fully reviewed nor finally agreed upon by the NFLPA (Smith). Add to that the NFL attempting to "hurry up" the players into agreeing with it and to recertify the union at the same time, (and under the NFL's guidelines), and it doesn't sound like a done deal.
What it reminds me of is the political arena whereas a bill is hurriedly pushed through to a vote before anyone can notice the pork barrel-type riders inserted at the last minute.
Sorry, but I don't trust the owners and their lawyers any further than I trust politicians who find themselves in the same situations.
We'll see. I just hope it all gets settled very soon 'cause I'm ready for some football.
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It's like this: "Here Damanshot, this is my proposal to you. Sign it right now without reading it or you're responsible for screwing everything up for everybody."
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Yes, they put a timeline on the deal. But for good reason, it was to get the league year started in time to get the preseason games in. To get this thing moving and get camps up, FA's signed, UDFA's signed and Draft picks signed.
I doubt the owners put a timeline in for the purpose of bamboozling anyone. They know that to wrangle the best out of the season, they gotta get it going NOW.
So yeah there's a timeline, but geez, it's for a damn good reason.
But that sounds like the players and their representatives had no idea of what it would take to get the league year started in time. So the NFL had to inform them in front of us.
(Is there an smiley for that buzzer sound they make on TV when someone is wrong?  )
They didn't need to be told. The time line and the demands that went with it were a sign of disrespect and an attempt to gain public opinion on the side of the NFL.
Worked didn't it?
Look at all the fans who have their panties in a bunch and are disappointed in the players for holding everything up and delaying football while they devote due diligence to reviewing the new proposal.
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Many sources have reported that Smith (and his negotiating team) said that it was for the teams to decide how they divide the revenues, as long as the players get their share. You can doubt all you want ..... but here's what's been reported ..... Now it's an issue. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ng-arrangement/One of the surprising aspects of the NFL’s Thursday night press conference arose when the league mentioned that the owners approved a new supplemental revenue sharing plan. It was surprising because no one knew the NFL was considering a new supplemental revenue sharing plan. Even more surprising was the concern expressed by NFLPA* executive director DeMaurice Smith in his e-mail to the player representatives regarding the owners’ supplemental revenue sharing plan. “As you may have heard,” Smith wrote, “they apparently approved a supplemental revenue sharing proposal. Obviously, we have not been a part of those discussions.” The NFLPA* hasn’t been part of those discussions regarding that issue because the NFLPA* showed no interest in that issue. All along, the elephant in the room was the league’s effort to fix revenue disparities by taking money back from the players. For reasons still unknown, the NFLPA* never pushed that issue. So while there may be plenty of reasons to balk about the misguided power play that the owners have tried to pull, complaining about an issue about which the players previously didn’t care badly misses the mark.
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From what I have read, the players told the owners that revenue sharing, along with some other issues, were to be decided by the owners, and not by the players. They told the owners to decide how to handle those items.
I took revenue sharing to mean between the owners and players. Stupid of me because I already know the term "revenue sharing" as it pertains to that between teams.
Besides no one would allow the other side to single-handedly dictate revenue sharing between sides so I should have thought for a moment and knew that's not what you were talking about.
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I am glad it is closer. I never rush into legal and binding decisions meself. I would suspect that a ton of paper with various wrinkles were generated back and forth, and it is worth a weekend for players to certify what is in it. Ten years is long for a contract. The rank and file is split: Some are frantic to sign maybe, some are suspicious, most are unsure of final positions on issues that will be important (and change) player by player. But notice the leverage games: We will sign when camps are open and certify then vs. certify and vote and then we open. A big part has been pushing back and posturing. That is not done yet. I hope it comes together quickly. But if the top talkers on each side continue chest pounding, this lockout could find legs again. I hope we see some real football; I just care about rosters more than pre-season games. Lot to be done on personal levels then is the point beyond the framed agreement. Take some time, but be clock conscious. Money losses should pinch both bargainers IMO for all time lost. 
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NFL players aren't buying this deal Pat McManamon July 22, 2011 A few days ago it seemed that the proposed settlement between the NFL and the decertified NFLPA gave the players quite a bit. It still does. Owners conceded some significant items and kept their hammer in their pocket. Until Thursday, when they pulled out said hammer. They slammed it on the table and gave a resounding yell: "Done!" In one of the more intriguing moves in a negotiation that has dragged on for months, the owners pretty much approved a deal they like and then told the players to take it. What was left unspoken by the owners: If players don't take it, we'll take our chances in court, because the players know we're going to be able keep locking them out. Basically, ownership gave the players a take-it-on-our-terms-or-leave-it proposal, and then spun it to the public as an "agreement." It was the same proposal that was being discussed, except owners decided to vote in favor of it to show their solidarity. "Straight power play, no doubt about it," 49er linebacker Takeo Spikes said on ESPN, adding he didn't take it personally. Good thing. Because much of this agreement is good for the players and is stuff they like — no more two-a-days in pads, medical coverage for life, reduced number of practices in pads during the season and in camp. Problem is, there are items of significance left to discuss. And the players have the right to make sure things are fair, especially when the league is talking about a no-option, 10-year deal. If it's screwed up now, it's still going to be screwed up in 2018. Last time Webster's published, it said an agreement implies at least two parties doing the agreeing. Really, the way this "deal" was announced should have sent up bottle rockets. It makes sense in a negotiation like this that once an agreement is reached all parties be present to announce it. The handshakes and smiles and warmth would ooze through the screen. (One also would have supposed both sides would have voted, but apparently in the NFL that's merely a procedural thing.) The fact that it was owners and owners' attorneys only speaking . . . well . . . something wasn't right in Atlanta. And the players saw through it. Now they say they will take their time, read over the proposal, then decide what to do. It's their right. They may make a lot more money than most, but rights are rights, and they have the right to take as much time as they wish to make sure it's the right proposal. "We can't be forced into a deal," Spikes said. Which is the way the actions of Thursday night came across. The league voted to endorse a deal it liked, and told the players we'll end the lockout Saturday if you accept it. It also told the players to negotiate things like drug testing and discipline, the union had to recertify and re-form. One man's suggestion apparently is another's coercion, because labor law prohibits companies from forcing workers to unionize, just as it prohibits them from not unionizing. That is up to the employees. The website Lockout Lowdown, written by labor attorney Daniel Friedman in Los Angeles, points out the following from Section 7 of the National Labor Relations Act: "[e]mployees shall have the right to self-organization, . . . to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, . . . and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all of such activities. . . .[emphasis added by website]" The NFL denied reports that owners demanded player recertify as "procedure for finalizing a settlement.' But it's up to the players if they wish to re-form the union, not the owners. What's next? The players have to decide if they will accept the incentives offered by the league, and whether playing all four preseason games is important to them (stop laughing). Not playing means $200 million in lost revenue per preseason week, which would take $96 million from the players per week. There's a chance this proposal does become an agreement. Once the players see the positives for them, they may get a simple majority to vote yes. But it's just as likely — and probably more likely — that players will take a step back and tell the owners it's probably wise to finish this the proper way, with both parties in a room, talking through all the particulars, then shaking hands when it's all settled. Conduct what is called a complete negotiation. Crazy as that might sound. foxsportsohio.com
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It is looking like a done deal, could see players reporting for physicals and signing union cards Sunday or Monday.  Free agency Wednesday and Camps beginning Friday or Saturday.
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Boy Howdy!
A done deal is when they've both agreed and I can't wait for that to happen.
Last I heard today on Jay Glaiser's report at foxsports.com is no one knows.
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Agreed, its not done until its signed, but looks like all parts have been agreed too and now its just waiting on the players to vote which should be very soon.
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On the NFL Network they're saying the league year(Free Agency) may still start on Wednesday.
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NFL owners and players have tentatively agreed to a plan that would allow for the players' executive committee to vote on Monday to recommend accepting the CBA and recertifying as a union, a source said Saturday.
According to the source, progress in talks with the owners has put the 11-member NFLPA executive board in position to vote Monday to recommend the 10-year collective bargaining agreement the owners ratified Thursday.
Summary of NFLPA's Negotiated Points
A 25-page power point summary of details the NFLPA presented of the CBA negotiated through Wednesday, all of which remain in the current pending deal. PDF
Under the plan, players would then begin reporting to training camps as early as Wednesday to physically vote on whether to recertify, with the hope that it will be done by Friday at the earliest, the source said.
The players' association's plan calls for the NFLPA's executive committee to meet in Washington, D.C., on Monday. If all agreements have been reached by then, the executive committee is expected to vote to recommend the CBA and recommend recertifying as a union, the source said. After that, the 32 player representatives also must recommend the CBA and recertifying.
If the executive committee accepts the new CBA, the source said, players from certain teams would be allowed to report to training camps on Wednesday and players from other teams will be asked to report to camps Friday. The hope from both sides is there are enough votes to recertify the union by as early as Friday.
The NFLPA needs a 50-percent-plus-one-vote majority of the players in order to recertify its union and accept the terms of the CBA.
The NFL announced Thursday it would open its doors to players under contract two days after the NFLPA executive committee accepts the CBA and settlement terms from existing lawsuits and free agency would start the day after the union is recertified. Therefore, under this tentative schedule for recertification, the the pre-league year buffer period could start Wednesday. Under that scenario, teams could potentially open contract talks with their unrestricted free agents, restricted free agents and draft choices although deals would not be able to be signed until the weekend. In that scenario, teams would also be able to renegotiate contracts with players from their own team starting as early as Wednesday.
Upon recertification of the union, free agency could start at 2 p.m. ET on July 30 and rosters could expand to 90. Left uncertain is when undrafted free agents would be able to sign
It was vital for the NFLPA to have enough time for recertification and have a period of time for the renewed union to work out final details of its benefit plans.
Only a union can negotiate benefits for its members and the NFLPA feared a Tuesday deadline to recertify would not leave enough time to properly negotiate changes in the benefits packages. Under terms of the owners' agreement from Thursday, players would have reverted to the 2010 benefits plan if they didn't make adjustments within a certain time period.
Also Saturday, both sides got closer to settling the $4 billion network television insurance case, according to a source. That case, which is in the court of Judge David Doty in Minneapolis, involved damages suffered by the players after Judge Doty ruled against the owners.
John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.
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I get that theres 1900 players... But in todays technicological era... This should not take 3 days...
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the players also said they were not talking on friday out of respect for the Kraft Family, then D. Smith said they would take it up on Monday.
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Cleveland Browns' Mike Holmgren optimistic players will ratify new agreement 'in the next couple days'
Published: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 4:36 PM Updated: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 4:38 PM
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- With the clock ticking on the planned start of NFL training camps and players analyzing a settlement proposal made by owners on Thursday, even an optimist like Browns President Mike Holmgren concedes the first week of preseason games is in jeopardy of being canceled.
The Browns' first exhibition game is at home against the Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers on Aug. 13. That's 21 days away.
"If you work backwards, you need two weeks of practice to prepare to play a game, minimum, and you also need some time now added on to fill your roster and do free agency," Holmgren said Saturday. "So do the math and you can kind of see some deadlines emerging."
NFL owners won't lift their lockout until the players association approves the settlement. Training camps would open and free agency would start only after the NFLPA reforms as a union. Players have said that process will take more time than the owners prefer.
Still, Holmgren believes everything will come together. He said he'd be surprised if camps weren't opened by the end of the week.
"I really can understand why they want to take the time and understand, and that's what they should do," Holmgren said of the players. "But I know they want to play. I know the fans want us to play. We're real close and I hope it happens in the next couple days.
"I'm pretty sure the bulk of the contract and the major issues are agreed upon and they're talking about other things. But I know both sides want to play football."
Holmgren spoke in Cleveland Browns Stadium after hosting some 300 bikers in the inaugural Cleveland Browns Motorcycle Rally. The charity event raised money for the Three-Deuce-Five Foundation of 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, headquartered in Brook Park.
Holmgren attended the NFL meetings with owner Randy Lerner in Atlanta on Thursday, at which owners emerged from a 31-0 vote for ratification of their proposal high-fiving each other for completing their version of a 10-year labor deal. Their proposal apparently contained language that surprised and antagonized the players, who felt rushed, pressured and disrespected.
Some players reacted with vitriolic comments on their Twitter accounts. But the tone softened as the weekend wore on. NFLPA executive board members and attorneys worked on Saturday. But no timetable for a vote has been given.
"In the age of Twitter, people say things off the cuff, emotionally, without knowing all the facts and figures oftentimes, and I think that happened a little bit," Holmgren said. "[The new CBA] has to be a win-win. Has to be a win-win. And that was the intention all along.
"I think they're doing the right thing to analyze what it is and once they have a chance to do that I think it'll be fine."
The latest delay in lifting the lockout further delays first-year coach Pat Shurmur's seemingly Herculean task of installing new offensive and defensive systems in an unusually abbreviated timeframe. Coaches haven't even met all their players under contract.
"I talked to the staff before they went on vacation," Holmgren said. "We have a group of young men that are willing to get together and work hard. So there are no excuses. Everyone's in a different situation. We have ours. But who cares? Let's just roll up our sleeves and get it done."
Some established coaches -- New England's Bill Belichick, in particular -- have said they would have to scale back playbooks because of the lost off-season. Holmgren admitted that it's possible Shurmur would do the same.
"He has a plan of installing the offensive and defensive schemes," Holmgren said. "[They've decided to] stick with the plan, but I think we have to be aware of how it is different this year in time. And if we feel we're having bad practices because guys are making too many mistakes that they shouldn't make, then probably at that point you have to consider toning it down just a little bit. But until they show us they can't absorb it, it's full speed ahead."
Holmgren said he was pleased with reports of quarterback Colt McCoy leading the players through four camps during the lockout.
"I'm not surprised," Holmgren said. "One of the things we've all learned about him in a very short period of time is he's a tremendous leader, and he's kind of a charismatic kid. Players follow him and like him.
"He's the quarterback. So it's the most natural thing in the world for him to organize the workouts. I haven't talked to the players, but from the comments I've read, they're singing his praises. Same with Scott Fujita. So we have some good leaders and we needed that this off-season and I think it showed."
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"If you work backwards, you need two weeks of practice to prepare to play a game, minimum, and you also need some time now added on to fill your roster and do free agency," Holmgren said Saturday. "So do the math and you can kind of see some deadlines emerging."
I thought that quote was worth repeating.. especially for those that think the owners are playing games with the players..
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I think this will happen at light speed once the owners allow players into camp so they can sign the union card. Everyone is ready to get back to work, fasten your seatbelts its gonna be a wild ride this week.
Off topic but watched NFL total access this eve and Mooch said Colt went down and worked with Farve a few times this summer to learn the WCO. That explains his teaching the playbook during those workouts.
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No problem.
I'm just glad that it appears that there is an end to this garbage on the horizon ..... and hopefully a 10 year deal so that we don't have to worry about football for the next decade.
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that is VERY interesting .. .go learn the west coast from a guy who won a superbowl doing it and who's offense just won another one doing it last year?
I like it.
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As much as I have been paying attention to the news, I've basically avoided it the past 48 hours. Ever since ESPN was reporting every detail that they heard or thought they heard ... I've stopped listening and have only checked in here and there ...
If the owners allow the players back into camp or even to work out in the facilities ... are the players allowed to? I mean, doesn't everything have to be official and finalized? Or what happens if a player gets hurt and all of the details aren't fully officialized yet. Or are we hoping they will be official by Monday and players could be in after that?
I just didn't know if they could go back as long as an agreement in principle was done, or if they have to wait for everything to be official and all of the items to be off the table from the agreements to the lawsuits of Brady v. The world ... and etc.
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If the owners lift the lockout everything would go back to the way it was until the New CBA takes over when the judge signs off on it. At least that is how I understand it. Basically each side has to trust the other to get this thing done. Owners lift lockout and players recertify.
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So the players will vote to recommend Monday, officially ending the lockout Wednesday....
But I thought the owners hoodwinked the players?
Whatever...now I don't have to worry about the union for the next 10 years.
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Player reps and their lawyers have worked through the weekend going over the owners latest 500 page proposal...in an attempt to review, clarify and negotiate (or not) outstanding issues.
Looks like the owners idea of expanding the season to 18 games was shot down by the players, but the issue might be a point of future negotiations according to the story below...
On a side note...a couple of bird dog/mutt mix canines showed up at my door...anyone know, do they prefer Kibbles and Bits or Pedigree?...
New CBA sets up eventual 18-game stare down
July 24, 2011
The NFL players successfully have beaten back the league’s desire to expand (i.e., enhance) the regular season from 16 to 18 games.
For now.
A source with knowledge of the terms of the deal approved by the owners on Thursday tells PFT that, while the new CBA removes the league’s unilateral right to expand from 16 to 18 games (while keeping four preseason games, if so desired), the agreement gives the league the ability to shift to a 16-and-2 format without the input or approval of the post-asterisked NFLPA.
The thinking is that, if the players decline in the future to agree to move to 18 games (which would push the season deeper into the winter months) and cut the preseason from four games to two, the league would simply invoke its right to cut the preseason in half. With the players now getting 48 percent of the gross, the players would lose 48 percent of the revenue lost from a reduced preseason.
And that’s where the owners once again are badly underestimating the players. As we’ve learned over the last 60 hours, the players don’t care about the preseason nearly as much as the owners do. Spread over 1,900 players, the financial impact of the loss of two preseason games is relatively small. Spread across 32 teams, the disappearance of two money-for-nothing games would chew deeply into the profit margin of many teams, especially since expenses in the preseason are minimal.
So when the league says to the players, “Well, our fans really don’t want four preseason games, and since this is all about the fans, we need to reduce the preseason to two games, even if that means keeping the regular season at 16,” the players should respond by saying, “Fine. Do it.”
And then the owners will decide, after further reflection, that they care about their profits more than they care about what the fans want when it comes to the preseason.
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Off topic but watched NFL total access this eve and Mooch said Colt went down and worked with Farve a few times this summer to learn the WCO. That explains his teaching the playbook during those workouts.
Neat.... I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that Favre wasn't a person that shared with other QB's. I think I got that impression from an article I read way back when Rogers was drafted and Favre was quoted as saying he's not going to mentor anyone..
that might have been one of Favres dumb comments.. I'd like to speak with Rogers and see if that was indeed the case.
Either way, if McCoy met with him and got something out of it... then
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I think it is rather brilliant on the owners part. Reduced practices means more preseason playing time for the starters. Thich means the players will be more eager to shrink the 4 preseason games in which they receive very little reward for the high risk to 2 preseason games and 2 regular season games while receiving 2 full game checks.
Brilliant. 18 games will be happening next year, I would guesstimate.
mourg...might seem brilliant to some...
...regardless, an issue such as expanding the regular season schedule to 18 games will require negotiations, plus approval by the Union.
...to get Union approval, the owners will need to offer something in return.
As of now, it seems the two sides agree to push the issue to the back burner rather than let that one major issue sink the whole agreement.
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There isn't a union, remember? They decertified. It wasn't a ploy so some high profile named players could sue the NFL, they said so in court.
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Sorry but no team in the league needs preseason more than the Browns. we may have 20 first and 2nd year players and we also have a new head coach, new offense and new defense. We could also see another 5 to 10 free agents brought in. We need every snap we can get.
Most college schemes are 4-3, so many players have had experience playing in it. With our team being so young, that experience wasn't to long ago. The biggest transition is probably on the offensive side. Hopefully, Colt's voluntary camps helped streamline the learning curve or the Big-O could be atrocious this year because of this lockout.
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Off topic but watched NFL total access this eve and Mooch said Colt went down and worked with Farve a few times this summer to learn the WCO. That explains his teaching the playbook during those workouts.
Neat.... I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that Favre wasn't a person that shared with other QB's. I think I got that impression from an article I read way back when Rogers was drafted and Favre was quoted as saying he's not going to mentor anyone..
that might have been one of Favres dumb comments.. I'd like to speak with Rogers and see if that was indeed the case.
Either way, if McCoy met with him and got something out of it... then
I think I remember what you're talking about, but later on, I do recall Brett revoking that sort of mentality and helping out Rogers a good amount.
Here's proof! 
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Sure the basic packages will be the same but Jauron's blitz packages are very unique. He uses more shifts and angle attacks than anyone around except for maybe the Bears. As I understand it, he really wants to get after it this time around with pressure, pressure, and more pressure and that pressure coming from anywhere and everywhere.
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Off topic but watched NFL total access this eve and Mooch said Colt went down and worked with Farve a few times this summer to learn the WCO. That explains his teaching the playbook during those workouts.
Neat.... I have always thought (maybe incorrectly) that Favre wasn't a person that shared with other QB's. I think I got that impression from an article I read way back when Rogers was drafted and Favre was quoted as saying he's not going to mentor anyone..
that might have been one of Favres dumb comments.. I'd like to speak with Rogers and see if that was indeed the case.
Either way, if McCoy met with him and got something out of it... then
I think I remember what you're talking about, but later on, I do recall Brett revoking that sort of mentality and helping out Rogers a good amount.
Here's proof!
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Oh Oh,, that link is gonna get removed..too much foul language...LOL
But I get your point, I hoped I was incorrect about Favre..
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Just in case anyone didn't see .... The deal that the owners "unilaterally" agreed to .... the deal that the players were so uptight about ..... and irate over ....... Has been agreed to. http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/30827569Report: New CBA is finished; football on horizon The labor deal -- and the path to NFL football in 2011 -- is finally, truly done. Well, almost. That’s the report from CBSSports.com’s own Mike Freeman, who writes that the owners and players have agreed to a new CBA. "It's done," one player source told Freeman. "We have an agreement. Now we just have to vote." [More from Mike Freeman: Lockout updates] Now, the majority of the players (50 percent, plus one) have to agree to the deal in order to end the lockout for good. Players will fly into Washington on Sunday in order to go over last-minute details. They’re then expected to vote Monday, and a news conference should occur shortly thereafter. According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, once the deal is ratified, free agency and training camp likely will begin on the same day. Saturday was a huge day in moving along negotiations, and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell reportedly worked hard together to make sure there wasn’t any additional trouble between the two sides. On Monday, the NFLPA executive committee will meet in Washington, and it’ll pass along its recommendations to the players -- to ratify the new CBA AND to reform the NFLPA as a union -- who will have to sign off on both deals in order to begin the new league year. The plaintiffs in the Brady v NFL case (including Chargers WR Vincent Jackson, who reportedly dropped his demand to be paid $10 million or be exempt from the franchise tag) would then have to consent to the deal, and the lawsuit -- and any other judicial matters between the two sides -- would be kaput. And most importantly, we’d have football again. UPDATED (11:46 a.m. ET): Freeman is reporting that the new league year can't start until the fifth day after the CBA is ratified and signed, and training camps couldn't start until two days after that. So, we still have a little time before the players officially get back to work.
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But are we assuming free agency could be on as early as Monday? I didn't think that was the case ... but Quote:
According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, once the deal is ratified, free agency and training camp likely will begin on the same day
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