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OK, I'm not one for laws against person choices, but this one endangers everyone on the road.
Here's what happened this morning.
I'm sitting at a light, got 6-8' between me and the car in front of me. It's large intersection with a long light time, so I'm waiting, then suddenly the lady in the car in front of me begins rolling backward (no reverse lights, just rolling) I give her a couple feet assuming she will realize what is going on herself.
After a couple feet I decide to honk, and her reaction is to look at me in her mirror and motion the light is still red, all while she is still rolling back, so I continue to honk. Now she is flipping me off and mouthing the "F" word. I can't go in reverse because the guy behind me is right on my tail. So I'm still laying on the horn motioning to her that she is rolling, as well as the guy in the car next to her is honking and and pointing.
Bam.. She hits me (not hard mind you). So she gets out of her car, still on the phone, I get out of my car and she say "WTF are you doing running into me". Now I am beyond steamed beyond belief and say "You F B you rolled backward into me because your arrogant butt is too busy on the phone to pay any attention". She gets in my face and says "what did you call me" never one puts the phone down.
2 guys and a lady around us who saw it all get out and start yelling at the lady that she was rolling backwards the whole time. She tells them to F off then looks at me and says "it was a tap, there's no damage", then gets in her car and leaves."
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Well, glad you're ok, first of all.
Secondly, this is the type of situation where I'm usually glad I don't have a weapon handy or the lady's car would be getting some new decorating.
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You get the license plate and names/numbers of witnesses? If so, report hit an run
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You get the license plate and names/numbers of witnesses? If so, report hit an run
That would get her off her phone ..... 
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I have her lic plate number, but waiting for the cops around her to file a report takes forever, and there is no evidence of any damage since she was literally rolling at the rate of maybe 1 foot every 3-5 seconds.
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Also, you need to realize that she's just plain more important than you. You shouldn't have bothered her with such trivial details as safety and honesty.
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Also, you need to realize that she's just plain more important than you. You shouldn't have bothered her with such trivial details as safety and honesty.
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Try being on a motorcycle. I'm coming back from Ohio on Saturday....coming into Chicago on 90/94. If any of you might know, that's the 7-mile stretch where it's 6+ lanes (4-5 express and 2 for local). It's chaos and panic. People are FLYING! It's one of the rare times I stay in the fast lane. With people coming on and off the local area + the crazy speeders, the right lane is a death trap. I'm ok with going 65-70 in a 55 because I only have to watch my lane and the lane to my right. Well, there's a dude in a SUV on the phone camped in the left lane....going 55, 50, 65, 60, 50, 55. Everyone and their brother is passing him on the right and beeping. So I make an aggressive pass on the right too but slow up near his window, blast my 18-wheeler air horn and motion for him to hangup. I go another 3 miles at 70, keep pace with traffic when that guy returns. He swerves near me and then flips me off!  We get stuck in traffic a mile up and I was behind him. If it wasn't a crime to pull a man from his car and beat him with his own shoe...I would have.
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Well, glad you're ok, first of all.
Secondly, this is the type of situation where I'm usually glad I don't have a weapon handy or the lady's car would be getting some new decorating.
Maybe her face too. I'm not a person who typically gets angry when driving, but I would be beyond furious if this happened to me.
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Well, glad you're ok, first of all.
Secondly, this is the type of situation where I'm usually glad I don't have a weapon handy or the lady's car would be getting some new decorating.
Maybe her face too. I'm not a person who typically gets angry when driving, but I would be beyond furious if this happened to me.
Serious question, you're old enough to drive?
I thought you were like 14?
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Well, I was 14 three years ago...
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Nothing on the road irritates me more then to see an eighteen wheeler driver on the phone and turning on an intersection or getting on or off the highway. Glad to hear it was not more then a love tap Florida and you are okay, but it could just as well have been tragic.
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You get the license plate and names/numbers of witnesses? If so, report hit an run
That would get her off her phone .....
Depending on where you live, a fine can be issued for causing a wreck while on the phone. A fine could definitely make her reconsider talking on a cell phone while driving.
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I would be careful filing a police report. Florida is a PIP state and I'm sure your mailbox would be FLOODED the next day by plaintiff attorneys and chiropractors.
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Complete with tag # and witnesses, just to give that woman grief, I would have collected all their names and numbers, pulled off the side of the road, called the cops and had a severe sudden case of whiplash.
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something like this  fall
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something like this
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I would be careful filing a police report. Florida is a PIP state and I'm sure your mailbox would be FLOODED the next day by plaintiff attorneys and chiropractors.
I don't know what PIP means, but I do know that it is a "no fault" state, but that doesn't mean that you can leave the seen of an accident either.
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Complete with tag # and witnesses, just to give that woman grief, I would have collected all their names and numbers, pulled off the side of the road, called the cops and had a severe sudden case of whiplash.
A few years ago, my dad watched a guy pull out into the middle turning lane ... drive about 100 feet looking backwards, and drove head-on into a car sitting there waiting to turn in the other direction. He said he almost got out to give his business card to the other driver and tell her, "I was a witness to the whole thing ... I think your neck hurts." 
I think in this case, I think you could get the other witnesses to happily testify.
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Even walking and texting can be dangerous. And to think, she's filing a lawsuit as well..
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I can't tell how many times I've sat behind somebody at traffic light who's too busy texting to drive. Light turns green. There we sit. Then they get all uppity when you honk at them to jolt them out of their tech-induced stupor.  Makes you just want to walk up to their car, grab the damn phone and smash it on the road.
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I would be careful filing a police report. Florida is a PIP state and I'm sure your mailbox would be FLOODED the next day by plaintiff attorneys and chiropractors.
I don't know what PIP means, but I do know that it is a "no fault" state, but that doesn't mean that you can leave the seen of an accident either.
PIP = Personal Injury Protection. Same as saying it's a no-fault state. I know it's illegal for her to leave the scene of an accident, but given all the facts, it may be more of a headache for FF to fill out a police report.
As far as claiming whiplash, most insurance companies, or at least some, have begun to be more alert to low-impact claims. If they can't equate a mechanism of injury from the property damage, they're probably going to fight it.
Of course that's just my two cents.
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Even walking and texting can be dangerous.
And to think, she's filing a lawsuit as well..
That happened last Jan...I was thinking we should have an update on how this lawsuit was going. I would figure the judge should laugh 30 seconds into the opening statements and throw this lady....well, into a fountain.
I'm still not even sure what she's suing for. Because nobody ran to help her? She was out of the fountain in seconds. She was wet. On top of that, she left right away to conceal her identity. AND then, she was asking for the mall to apologize. Where is the lawsuit? How would you calculate damages based on a missing apology that wasn't needed in the first place.
I suppose there might be a small argument about them leaking the video to YouTube....but had she just shut up, nobody would have ever known it was her.
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Yeah, she was in the fountain for rigth around 6 seconds .... and she says that a security guard should have helped her. Helped her what? Find a towel? Is the guy on skates? Was he stationed fountainside?  She's an idiot. I mentally edited her speech when she said that she was dumbfounded ..... to she was dumb. Following her fountain escapades, (IIRC, the day after the report on Good Morning America) she was in court for 5 counts of theft and receiving stolen property ... and identity theft to boot.
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Laws on this vary state-by-state, but what you could try is this:
"You are under arrest. Do not attempt to leave the scene. If you attempt to leave, I am authorized to use force, including severe bodily harm, if necessary, to prevent you from doing so. You will remain here until a police officer arrives. IS THAT CLEAR?"
There is no question that you, as a citizen, have the authority to make an arrest. The other individual had better have broken the law, or you can be in deep, deep do-do. Your legal coverage for use of force is somewhat sketchy, particularly with no visible damage and especially if your witnesses leave. However, it is quite possible you could derive immense satisfaction, be perfectly within the law, and possibly prevent a future serious accident.
We live in the same town, most of the cops here would be quite happy to put the dumbass in jail, and congratulate you for nearly breaking her arm while restraining her.
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What did she look like??
Like Helen Thomas.
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so glad Illinois has cracked down on this kinda behavior. State-wide ban on texting, city of Chicago ban on talking on the phone with the device in your hand.
I hate to sound like an old guy but I just don't understand people with their cell phones. I love my Iphone, I use it all the time, but these people who can't get off the phone ANYWHERE, or literally walk around and not look in front of them (if you have time look up the youtube video of the idiot lady who went right into the fountain of a mall, then tried to take it to court)
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Man, something along those lines happened to me today. If anyone's familiar with the north Columbus area, I was going about 55 or 60 on I 71 North in the right hand lane getting pretty close to the polaris exit and I notice this white SUV stopped over in the shoulder up ahead. I think nothing of it or that he's having car trouble, but no, he starts to pull in front of me and try to merge. Needless to say, I blared my horn and had to swerve. It really makes me wonder what these people are doing. I mean, you're going to merge back onto a freeway lane and you don't look???? 
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Laws on this vary state-by-state, but what you could try is this:
"You are under arrest. Do not attempt to leave the scene. If you attempt to leave, I am authorized to use force, including severe bodily harm, if necessary, to prevent you from doing so. You will remain here until a police officer arrives. IS THAT CLEAR?"
There is no question that you, as a citizen, have the authority to make an arrest. The other individual had better have broken the law, or you can be in deep, deep do-do. Your legal coverage for use of force is somewhat sketchy, particularly with no visible damage and especially if your witnesses leave. However, it is quite possible you could derive immense satisfaction, be perfectly within the law, and possibly prevent a future serious accident.
We live in the same town, most of the cops here would be quite happy to put the dumbass in jail, and congratulate you for nearly breaking her arm while restraining her.
This is one of the dumbest posts I have ever read on this board.
Your "advice" could/would result in assault charges.....and if you don't know how to fight you may get your ass kicked AND charged with assault.
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So ... would shooting out her engine block ............. shooting her phone ........ then shooting her in both knees so she couldn't get away be bad advice too ........? 
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Not attractive enough to ask for her information and phone number. She was a mid 40's, anglo-saxon caucasion women with a pudge belly, stick legs, matted hair. If I saw her just sitting on the side of the road I would assume she was a heroin addict.
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Floridafan, that sounds about right for Florida. Florida has to have some of the country's worst drivers.
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I'm sitting at a light, got 6-8' between me and the car in front of me.
So, you're one of those drivers....
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To add to yesterday's issues, I am certain that someone is out to wreck my car. Sitting at a light (again), in a double right turn lane. I'm in the left of the 2 lanes. Light turns green, we go, the lady, again on her cell phone, doesn't stay in her lane and as we are turning she moves right over into my lane, forcing me to hit the brakes hard to avoid her clipping my front end. I lay into the horn only to be completely ignored. Soon, I may need to start leaving my firearm at home or I may go off the deep end and start filling peoples cars with projectiles. 
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The part in quotes is derived from various state laws. Every citizen has the power to make an arrest. AFTER, repeat AFTER, making an arrest, use of force IS possible to prevent escape, and also to prevent harm to the arresting individual, and/or property.
You need witnesses and/or proof of a crime, and use of force must be reasonable. Anything you have seen a cop do, you can do. You just don't have the policeman's union and city officials behind you, hence the need for witnesses and evidence of a crime.
There is a very good reason that the saying "there's never a cop around when you need one" is so common. You can take action, or do nothing and allow the perpetrator to walk away. It's a choice you get to make.
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The part in quotes is derived from various state laws. Every citizen has the power to make an arrest. AFTER, repeat AFTER, making an arrest, use of force IS possible to prevent escape, and also to prevent harm to the arresting individual, and/or property.
You need witnesses and/or proof of a crime, and use of force must be reasonable. Anything you have seen a cop do, you can do. You just don't have the policeman's union and city officials behind you, hence the need for witnesses and evidence of a crime.
There is a very good reason that the saying "there's never a cop around when you need one" is so common. You can take action, or do nothing and allow the perpetrator to walk away. It's a choice you get to make.
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Originally you said you could use force that would result in severe bodily harm. Now the force must be reasonable?
Anything you have seen a cop do, you can do?
Rolling back into a car at a light is grounds for justifiable/reasonable force if you attempt to detain the offender during a citizen's arrest??? Not in Ohio!!!
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