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unlike past years Lerner can't squat on his cash he has to SPEND it.
This is wrong. He doesn't have to spend a dime this year or next if he doesn't want to.
Although, I will agree that our participation in Free Agency is tepid at best. Which is puzzling when you look at our roster.
Thanks Otto, Someone cleared that up with a post from profootball.com and now i understand we are content(the front office and the owner to stash the cash). Yet a team so riddled with hole such a philosophy is to ask the fans to pay to watch sunday contests as competitive as Akron vs Alabama.
the solid foundation of toughness that Mangini/Ryan built will be devastated as we become mired and are
destroyed by large margins. An empty stadium in November may ring OUT the Holmgren era.
Holmgren? & Heckert are the best front office we have ever had yet puzzling free agent pickups of jake and Pashos last year and sitting on our hands this year on a young team so full of HUGE holes in not comprehensible. A young team has a fragile ego and as we get to watch matador blocking result in the obvious conclusion of injuries to our QBs, and Hillis being blown up with teams stacking the box because we stand pat with our crappy wrs. Then we see teams control the ball the clock and ring up the scoreboard against a no pass rush slow LBer corps and a desperately thin secondary with a dcoordinator who goes by the book..and I see a huge Iceberg dead ahead yet I am a naysayer.
We have a plan to Stay the course dead ahead into a 3 win QB sweepstakes #1 pick. We will be the worst team in the NFL.
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Geez joe,, Lerner is worth what,, a couple of Billion not counting the Browns and you think he's worried about stashing cash.., GEEZ THAT'S LAME THINKING.
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Seriously, all the negativity from you - for years. And you are wrong so often. If you were a "fan" of my team, I'd make it a point to call you and ask you to quit being a "fan". Go root for buffalo.
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What's funny is, Pitts was in the SB last season.. they could have easily let Ike Taylor leave and gone after Asomuga,, yet, they decided to keep thier own guy..
Sorry to keep bringing Pittsburgh up, but truth be told, they are a franchise to be admired for the way they go about thier business. Love them or hate them, they do things that work....
Part of the reason is that Pittsburgh has players tied up in huge contracts and can't really afford to bring on a guy like Asomugha.
yeah,, that's my point, they lock up guys that they drafted and then they don't need to go after big buck FA's.
that's where I want us to be, but if we go out and blow our wad on FA's now when we really don't have the talent to contend, then we'll never get there.
At some point, you have to stop the merry go round.
JMO, but, I think now is as good a time as any.
Even if they wanted to go after high-priced free agents they couldn't.
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Thanks Otto, Someone cleared that up with a post from profootball.com and now i understand we are content(the front office and the owner to stash the cash).
Geez joe,, Lerner is worth what,, a couple of Billion not counting the Browns and you think he's worried about stashing cash.., GEEZ THAT'S LAME THINKING.
Nice analysis bubba. yes we agree lerner is worth billions yet to not spend some money to fill a team ridden with so many holes defies logic. having a young QB behind an oline with turnstile blocking on the right side with no wrs worthy of any defense not stuffing 9 in the box is courting disaster.
to do as little as we have in free agency with having many millions to spend defies any logic. Are we tossing the season already? try not being so knee jerk with criticism i am open to any supposition that a front office has the job to make a team prepared to compete and we have done NOTHING. But thanks for the update on Lerners worth i missed that newsflash.
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Seriously, all the negativity from you - for years. And you are wrong so often. If you were a "fan" of my team, I'd make it a point to call you and ask you to quit being a "fan". Go root for buffalo.
Seriously archie baby, other than the Quinn for hillis trade enlighten me what i was mistaken about?
was calling pashos a wasted pick a mistake. or mocking the delhomme pick, was i off there as well?
Or saying Seneca was a mediocre player and not to expect much, yup i missed that one too.
I give you as well i was mad at the knee jerk signing of mangini as coach and the hiring of yet another GM with no experience in kokinis..I agree i sure was negative.
I agree I have a history of negativity as I hated the give away trades of edwards and Winslow for well nothing. Or the bag o donuts and a center in return the jets get a franchise QB..yep i agree I could not swallow that well either. so there is a history of my anger.
So this season when i spout about dumping Rogers for nothing, not keeping Ryan I must learn to pretend away the anger and pretend our defense will improve by magic.
Yet, you can keep your pom poms to yourself. I am not cheering till this team does something worth cheering about. i was ecstatic I was wrong about the ham sandwich Hillis. he and the TEs were the only offense we had. I sure wish the browns made some nice surgical signings in thisfree agency period so i could feel anything other than dread. I wish the front office would have helped Colt and got some new weapons and improved blocking on the right side and a pass rush and a cb or fs but well, we did what we did.
I sure wish i did not feel i am hearing an approaching waterfall and the fans once again are going over the falls in a barrell, but don't let me stop you from cheering before you land on the rocks of reality.
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Seriously, all the negativity from you - for years. And you are wrong so often. If you were a "fan" of my team, I'd make it a point to call you and ask you to quit being a "fan". Go root for buffalo.
Seriously archie baby, other than the Quinn for hillis trade enlighten me what i was mistaken about?
was calling pashos a wasted pick a mistake. or mocking the delhomme pick, was i off there as well?
Or saying Seneca was a mediocre player and not to expect much, yup i missed that one too.
I sure am negative when i blasted the team for ridding themselves of Edwards and Winslow and getting next to nothing..I sure was negative about that too i agree with you. i was also negative we got a center and a bag of mediocrity and the jets got a franchise QB. yep i was up with one one too.
I give you as well i was mad at the knee jerk signing of mangini as coach and the hiring of yet another GM with no experience in kokinis..I agree i sure was negative.
keep you pom poms to yourself. I am not cheering till this team does something. i was ecstatic I was wrong about the ham sandwich Hillis. he and the TEs were the only offense we had. I sure wish the browns made some nice surgical signings that really helped colt get some new weapons and improved blocking and a pass rush and a cb or fs but well, we did what we did. we are going over the falls in a barrell, but don't let me stop you from cheering before you land on the rocks of reality.
Well, akronjosephine, you act like a jackass on here. Show me something you have agreed with as far as the Browns. Don't waste your time - there is NOTHING they have done you have agreed with.
And don't gloss over quinn for Hillis - everyone that reads here knows you were talking out your ass - and you look foolish for it.......yet somehow you try to make it look like it was your only mistake?
The burgers need flipping bud. Take your high and mighty idiotic self and serve the people, because nothing you've posted on her makes sense.
I will repeat: Go root for buffalo, because the Browns sure as hell don't need a supposed "fan" like you.
Yes, I will continue to belittle you when you need it. You know as much about football as my left pinky toe............but the more you speak, the less we all know you know.
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Seriously, all the negativity from you - for years. And you are wrong so often. If you were a "fan" of my team, I'd make it a point to call you and ask you to quit being a "fan". Go root for buffalo.
Seriously archie baby, other than the Quinn for hillis trade enlighten me what i was mistaken about?
was calling pashos a wasted pick a mistake. or mocking the delhomme pick, was i off there as well?
Or saying Seneca was a mediocre player and not to expect much, yup i missed that one too.
I sure am negative when i blasted the team for ridding themselves of Edwards and Winslow and getting next to nothing..I sure was negative about that too i agree with you. i was also negative we got a center and a bag of mediocrity and the jets got a franchise QB. yep i was up with one one too.
I give you as well i was mad at the knee jerk signing of mangini as coach and the hiring of yet another GM with no experience in kokinis..I agree i sure was negative.
keep you pom poms to yourself. I am not cheering till this team does something. i was ecstatic I was wrong about the ham sandwich Hillis. he and the TEs were the only offense we had. I sure wish the browns made some nice surgical signings that really helped colt get some new weapons and improved blocking and a pass rush and a cb or fs but well, we did what we did. we are going over the falls in a barrell, but don't let me stop you from cheering before you land on the rocks of reality.
Well, akronjosephine, you act like a jackass on here. Show me something you have agreed with as far as the Browns. Don't waste your time - there is NOTHING they have done you have agreed with.
And don't gloss over quinn for Hillis - everyone that reads here knows you were talking out your ass - and you look foolish for it.......yet somehow you try to make it look like it was your only mistake?
The burgers need flipping bud. Take your high and mighty idiotic self and serve the people, because nothing you've posted on her makes sense.
I will repeat: Go root for buffalo, because the Browns sure as hell don't need a supposed "fan" like you.
Yes, I will continue to belittle you when you need it. You know as much about football as my left pinky toe............but the more you speak, the less we all know you know.
Gee i wish i were as wise as you thanks for your well reasoned response.
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and as far as you "not cheering till this team does something?".............good. No one cares about you or your stupid thoughts.
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I can only wish you were as wise as I am. As it is, you bitch about everything the team does and has done. You gripe and complain. You make yourself look like a fool. If it's not done YOUR way, you bitch. That's really something to be proud of.  What's your boy Brady, in your "expert" opinion, doing. That's right, he's struggling to hang on to his job. Dude, your ability to judge players is at best suspect, at least, it sucks. How's your ham sandwich?????
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Am I the only one who laughed at this because of how juvenile it sounds?
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Why encourage him?
Just ignore him and his drivel.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Am I the only one who laughed at this because of how juvenile it sounds?
Might have been 3 or 4 people - I don't think you're the only one.
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looks like we traded a 5th rd pick in 2012 for Bunkley of the eagles.
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Eagles announce trade DT Brodrick Bunkley to CLE for 5th round pick in 2012 and agreed to terms with LB Akeem Jordan on a one-year deal
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I can only wish you were as wise as I am.
As it is, you bitch about everything the team does and has done. You gripe and complain. You make yourself look like a fool.
If it's not done YOUR way, you bitch.
That's really something to be proud of.
What's your boy Brady, in your "expert" opinion, doing.
That's right, he's struggling to hang on to his job.
Dude, your ability to judge players is at best suspect, at least, it sucks.
How's your ham sandwich?????
play that one note instrument baby, thanks for the ass whupping.
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Akeem Jordan .... another Eagles player ....... and a 230# LB ... who should fit Jauron's defense.
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I'll post this again since I don't think you saw the last post:
Why do you continue to make assumptions about players you probably have never seen play after what happened last year with Hillis?
If the GM signs someone you've never heard of, you automatically think they suck. That statement basically covers all your posts. Each one of your posts says basically the same thing; you add nothing new.
You haven't watched enough football around the NFL to know who is worth signing and who isn't. Neither have I, except I don't going around acting like I do.
If you're going to say something new, please keep posting. But please, just stop posting if you're only going to say the same ol'e uninformed garbage. Thanks.
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Why do people keep busting Akrons chops and discrediting his opinion because he was wrong about a player?
What if Hillis sucks next year?
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Technically he was wrong about Hillis and Quinn. He's soon to be wrong about Rogers as well.  lol
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Why do people keep busting Akrons chops and discrediting his opinion because he was wrong about a player?
What if Hillis sucks next year?
Hillis is a solid runner. that is ok about busting my chops yet there is a definite pack mentality and woa to those who do not drink in the Jim Jones punch bowl.
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I won't deny it. I disagree with a lot of what you say. However I am not going to say my opinion is better because you were wrong about Hillis.
I am optimistic. We will be a very solid club next year.
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I won't deny it. I disagree with a lot of what you say. However I am not going to say my opinion is better because you were wrong about Hillis.
I am optimistic. We will be a very solid club next year.
How did you detox so quickly?
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"Those who forget the mistakes of the past are destined to repeat them."
Akronjoe hasn't learned from his mistake of spouting off about players he has never seen.
Look, I'll be the first to agree that these aren't very exciting signings. These guys very well may never make an impact for the Browns. But to make assumptions and tear down players you've never seen play is a bad practice.
The front office is using a strategy that joe doesn't agree with...that's fine. I just don't want to wade through 50 of his posts saying the same thing to actually read some information. I don't like using ignore, but if he keeps it up, I might have to look into it.
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I won't deny it. I disagree with a lot of what you say. However I am not going to say my opinion is better because you were wrong about Hillis.
I am optimistic. We will be a very solid club next year.
How did you detox so quickly?
What are you implying?
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"Those who forget the mistakes if the past are destined to repeat them."
Akronjoe hasn't learned from his mistake of spouting off about players he has never seen.
Look, I'll be the first to agree that these aren't very exciting signings. These guys very well may never make an impact for the Browns. But to make assumptions and tear down players you've never seen play is a bad practice.
The front office is using a strategy that joe doesn't agree with...that's fine. I just don't want to wade through 50 of his posts saying the same thing to actually read some information. I don't like using ignore, but if he keeps it up, I might have to look into it.
I agree with your first line, which is why I am so cranky as we approach yet another season competing in a brutal division and making very few upgrades to deal with it. I know I was wrong when i spouted off about Delhomme and pashos. and I know I have concerns we traded in a rising star in Ryan for well a HUGE step back.
I wish i could agree doing nothing is a real cool hand. Your last line seems like what is Your dirt Doin in Boss keen's ditch.
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Akeem Jordan .... another Eagles player ....... and a 230# LB ... who should fit Jauron's defense.
Ttown, the way i read the article, I think the eagles signed Akeem not us. They just traded us Bunkley.
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Akeem Jordan .... another Eagles player ....... and a 230# LB ... who should fit Jauron's defense.
Just for clarification, Akeem resigned with the Eagles, not us.
Great minds Roc.  
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I am optimistic. We will be a very solid club next year.
That's kind of how I feel... I couldn't remember a posters opinion on someone last year so I try not to bring up that crap... I do disagree with a lot of what Akron says, I'm like you more optimistic... so I just browse through a lot of his posts... but if everyone on here agreed then it'd be a pretty boring message board...
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I hated Delhomme and Pashover signings last year and if I had my choice I would boot Seneca right now. Heck I hated the Fujita signing also when it first went down. I ripped into the FO for those moves because I felt they were really bad moves.
Hell I ripped our draft more than anyone last year because I felt Haden could have been had much later if we could trade down into the teens and Ward and Hardesty couldnt stay healthy. All the later picks i felt was a waste. The only picks i really liked was Colt and our starting RG. Loved those 2 picks.
Well I really don't have a problem with any move we have made or not made this year. Shawn Rogers was a waste of money. Wright wanted to go elsewhere, cant blame him. Roth is grumpy smurf, he hates everyone lol It is why he is a free agent still and not getting the money he thought he would be rolling in.
I have never seen Usama Young play but there was someone pimping him hard around here on draft day a couple years ago . Anyway, Jackson signing was a good move. He fits the scheme and we need that 3rd down back.
The Bunkley trade provided quality depth and it puts more pressure on Taylor to get in here and sign. I loved our draft and I do mean absolutely loved our draft.
Thing is, we are only a couple days into free agency and players will begin sweating as that money is drying up and rosters are filling up with camps going on. We will add some more pieces to the puzzle and there are good players still out there.
Anyway try to look at both sides of the equation, even Mangini and Romeo did some positive things.
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What's funny is, Pitts was in the SB last season.. they could have easily let Ike Taylor leave and gone after Asomuga,, yet, they decided to keep thier own guy..
Sorry to keep bringing Pittsburgh up, but truth be told, they are a franchise to be admired for the way they go about thier business. Love them or hate them, they do things that work....
Part of the reason is that Pittsburgh has players tied up in huge contracts and can't really afford to bring on a guy like Asomugha.
yeah,, that's my point, they lock up guys that they drafted and then they don't need to go after big buck FA's.
that's where I want us to be, but if we go out and blow our wad on FA's now when we really don't have the talent to contend, then we'll never get there.
At some point, you have to stop the merry go round.
JMO, but, I think now is as good a time as any.
Even if they wanted to go after high-priced free agents they couldn't.
There seems to be some notion that because Steelers don't sign high-dollar free agents that their players play for peanuts, which is far from the truth. They have over $40 million tied up in four players. Spending a lot on players is the same whether they're from your team originally or from someone else's. I have no doubt that if they had the money and the need they would sign guys in free agency just like anybody else would.
BULL ,, they pay thier guys well to hang on to them but the don't, in fact they never have overpaid anyone. As for not being able to go after FA,, that's just nuts.. they don't need to. if they NEEDED TO, then they'd dump someone and make room..
So don't try to lay this off as they CAN'T go for FA.. They don't want to, it's not part of thier plan... Silly argument Adam,, you can do better than that
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I know its not part of their plan. I never said anything to the contrary. That doesn't change the fact that if they wanted to sign a high-dollar free agent, they would not have the cap room to do so as it stands. It's the way they've set themselves up. I'm not saying its good or bad, merely the way they've chosen to do their business, to spend their money in-house. It works for them, but that doesn't mean that it will work for everyone or that its the only way to do business.
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I did not like the Delhomme or Fujita signings either, but how could you not like the Seneca signing? Perfect #2. And Fujita's turned out to be solid.
I good buddy of mine is a Saints fan. Usama wasn't a big loss for them. He said they tried him at corner but would be a better free safety - which is where we expect him to be. So I think that's a positive. Then Fujita had some glowing reviews about him. Maybe this guy will be solid.
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it works for the Steelers and the Pats.. they go out and get FA's from time to time, they will do a trade also., like picking haynesworth for a song or Ocho for about the same. Low risk with potential rewards..
Most of the better teams in the league don't do it much differently than Pitts or NE., it's just the Pitts and NE do it better..
We have good folks in charge.. I tihnk it will be fine..
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If you use your cap space to keep your own, there isn't a need to go outside..
I understand that, and have said as much. Your initial comment was that the Steelers opted for Ike Taylor over pursuing Namdi Asomugha because they prefer to keep their own players. The reality is that they opted for Ike Taylor because they could afford him. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Namdi over Ike every day of the week if circumstances are the same.
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If you use your cap space to keep your own, there isn't a need to go outside..
I understand that, and have said as much. Your initial comment was that the Steelers opted for Ike Taylor over pursuing Namdi Asomugha because they prefer to keep their own players. The reality is that they opted for Ike Taylor because they could afford him. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Namdi over Ike every day of the week if circumstances are the same.
and I'm telling you that that isn't accurate. Pittsburgh could have made room had they wanted to,, just like the Jets did and the Cowboys did. the point is, they didn't even get into the sweepstakes for him, they stuck with the guy the had.
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Ok, keep telling yourself that a team that is at the salary cap limit can sign a guy at $12 million a year, making him their highest paid player. Especially when, after this year, they have to re-sign Aaron Smith, LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence Timmons, Troy Polamalu, Mike Wallace, Daniel Sepulveda and possibly Matt Spaeth, who will all be UFAs or RFAs after this season and are all key players on the team. Trust me, the salary structure of the Pittsburgh Steelers precludes them from signing high-priced free agents without major contract restructuring from their biggest stars, which isn't likely to happen. And that's fine with them, because it works well for them.
Why I'm arguing Steelers on here, with you of all people, is beyond me. Done here.
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Oh Brother,,, Turn and run.. OK with me...LOL
Honestly Adam, I don't know what you mean about argueing with me in particular, but it kinda sounds like a personal attack..
Be that as it may,, No need for the steelers to go outside for a FA when they have thier own guys.
History tells us that the Steelers never have been the type to go outside for a guy.. Jerome Bettis is about the only guy I can think of that they did that with that was a HIGH profile guy in the last 20 years. May have been one or two more., maybe even three., But to them, it's not part of thier MO.
I'm sorry you can't see that.., but,, like you, i'm done.
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The Steelers have gone after a LB or 2 in their time as well (Like James Farrior) ...... but it's almost always that one guy who fits their system, and who they feel they can plug in and who can make a stong impact in their system for a long time to come.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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The Steelers have gone after a LB or 2 in their time as well (Like James Farrior) ...... but it's almost always that one guy who fits their system, and who they feel they can plug in and who can make a stong impact in their system for a long time to come.
exactly my point.. They just don't fall prey to the "rent a player" game. I hope we learn to draft and develop players like they do.. Love them or hate them, what they do works very very well.
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