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Please continue the discussion in this thread.
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I honestly think that the Browns might of been in the running for Eric Weddle. He was interviewed here yesterday about resigning his deal, and he was talking about how he was almost dead-sure he was signing for another team the night before. Then the Chargers called back, and matched whatever the other offer was, and he took the deal with the Chargers.
I am pretty sure we were involved in both rice and Weddle but man you should be able to get both of those guys for the money spent on just one. Still cant get over 8 mil a year for a safety that cant catch a cold. 8 mil a year for a receiver coming off an injury and really has only had one good year.
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Yeah, that's what everyone was talking about on the radio yesterday ... is Weddle really worth all that money? Maybe the Chargers did us a favor?  But it might explain why it seems like we're moving "slowly" in Free Agency. If other teams are matching/outbidding us, there's not much we can do about it.
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Just throwing this out there:
Jonathan Joseph could kill two birds with one stone: gets us another shutdown corner and moves Brown to free safety where he'd almost assuredly start and be pretty good.
Just sayin....
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anytime you move a guys position, it is a risk. maybe one worth making, but still a risk. and, if we do sign Joseph, Brown may just become our 3rd CB (about where he should be at this point of his career).
i wouldn't mind signing him because he's a good player, but I think we should still pursue safeties even if we did.
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I am pretty sure we were involved in both rice and Weddle but man you should be able to get both of those guys for the money spent on just one.
Oh Man I hear ya.. Can't believe the money these guys are getting.. unreal
I know it's not popular, but Heckert is saying we aren't going to be big time players in free agency and frankly, I'm glad he's approaching it that way.
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I know it's not popular, but Heckert is saying we aren't going to be big time players in free agency and frankly, I'm glad he's approaching it that way.
Yep, handling it like the teams that are consistently GOOD in the league do year in/year out.
I'm with you and Heckert . . . 
And I think we will still get some solid help, just not the type you need to be a big player to get.
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Brandon Stokley backed out of a verbal deal he had agreed to. (which is all that teams and players can do st this point) Any of these higly publicized deals could fall apart at the last second for any number of reasons.
IIRC, Last year Heckert didn't announce anything outside of "Player A visited today" until they had the players take their physical, and sign their contract. No surprises that way.
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yep, i'm glad to see them sticking to their plan. Year after year we have done it the other way, and never got anywhere. Its going to take some time, but i think that it will pay off in a big way.
I can see us dabbling alittle when the smoke clears. Once the coaches get a look at the players they will have a better idea of where we are at. Its about time that our youth mature into these "star fa's" and we get them for cheap, and get something in return when they walk. Once the team is more filled out and has a solid foundation, then we can plug in that one guy to keep going. Right now i'm happy with playing the youngsters and seeing who steps up.
I can't count the times that posters have said someone like the steelers will be in trouble if they let so-in-so walk in fa...only to have the next young guy step up and fill those shoes.
For years we've had cincy-i-tis...different coaches...different schemes...different drafting philosophies...time to sit back and watch something great form before our eyes....and last for a long time....we deserve it.
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It's funny, we've had other managment teams in here and all have used the same common thread,,,, build through the draft..
Yet, the only one that seems to be doing so is the current FO. I really think the other regimes fell pray to the pressure to produce now or get out.
It's JMO, but I think we fans better realize that we need to build the team through the draft if we want to be winners year in and year out. Adding pieces each year in the draft and the occasional FA is the way to build an orgainzation that wins.
I hate to say it,, I really do, but look at Pittsburgh or NE.. Pittsburgh rarely brings in big name FA's. They grow thier own and then keep them until they are done.
NE will bring in a big name every year, Moss in the past, Haynesworth this year.. but that's it,, they don't really make a splash with 3 or 4 big names for big money.
How many of the last 12 Superbowl winners or participants do these two teams represent? 7?
I think that says it all.. but again, JMO
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It's funny, we've had other managment teams in here and all have used the same common thread,,,, build through the draft..
Yet, the only one that seems to be doing so is the current FO. I really think the other regimes fell pray to the pressure to produce now or get out.
It's JMO, but I think we fans better realize that we need to build the team through the draft if we want to be winners year in and year out. Adding pieces each year in the draft and the occasional FA is the way to build an orgainzation that wins.
I hate to say it,, I really do, but look at Pittsburgh or NE.. Pittsburgh rarely brings in big name FA's. They grow thier own and then keep them until they are done.
NE will bring in a big name every year, Moss in the past, Haynesworth this year.. but that's it,, they don't really make a splash with 3 or 4 big names for big money.
How many of the last 12 Superbowl winners or participants do these two teams represent? 7?
I think that says it all.. but again, JMO
And when New England brings ina big name, they do so very cheaply. They got Moss for a 4th and Haynesworth for a 5th 2 years from now.
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And I think we will still get some solid help, just not the type you need to be a big player to get.
I agree. And we have a precedent for that thinking. Last off-season.
We didn't go after any of the big name guys, that we know of, and signed quality veteran players that could fill holes. Scott Fujita came in and played above-average linebacker for us before getting hurt towards the end of the season. Benjamin Watson had 763 receiving yards. And Tony Pashos seemed to be a good player when he was healthy.
We also traded for Sheldon Brown, a guy who started at corner for us, and Chris Gocong, started a linebacker.
I think it's clear what Heckert's plan is, it just stinks watching all these guys we wanted go to other teams. But I'd rather follow a well set out plan than deviate from that plan and overpay guys who are only above-average to good NFL starters.
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J/C,
Think of it like this. The more you spend in FA, the less you will have to resign your own.
Many here mention Joe Thomas, but right behind him is Ruben and Hillis.
These guys are core players and as much as I would love to bring in big time talent.
I first want to know that I can keep these players in the fold and get them locked in to a long term deals. I don't believe in allowing my core players to reach FA.
Chances are that one of the 3 above mentioned players agent could play hard ball and we will have to use a franchise tag on him.
The point is, that we only have that option for one.
I still think we will sign some pretty good (young) talent before the FA period is said and done and there is still some good players to be had I think.
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It's funny, we've had other managment teams in here and all have used the same common thread,,,, build through the draft..
Yet, the only one that seems to be doing so is the current FO. I really think the other regimes fell pray to the pressure to produce now or get out.
It's JMO, but I think we fans better realize that we need to build the team through the draft if we want to be winners year in and year out. Adding pieces each year in the draft and the occasional FA is the way to build an orgainzation that wins.
I hate to say it,, I really do, but look at Pittsburgh or NE.. Pittsburgh rarely brings in big name FA's. They grow thier own and then keep them until they are done.
NE will bring in a big name every year, Moss in the past, Haynesworth this year.. but that's it,, they don't really make a splash with 3 or 4 big names for big money.
How many of the last 12 Superbowl winners or participants do these two teams represent? 7?
I think that says it all.. but again, JMO
And when New England brings ina big name, they do so very cheaply. They got Moss for a 4th and Haynesworth for a 5th 2 years from now.
I know,, isn't it amazing? I am convinced that if you work smart, you end up with a better product then if you just throw money at it. Perfect example of throwing money at it and not getting anyway... Washington. Snyder spends like a drunken sailor and gets nowhere.
And they are doing it again this year.
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I do think that this year is a special case.
There is so much young talent available this year that teams with cap room should take advantage of the situation to add a special player or 2. (or even 3, if they have the ability to do so)
If we could add impact players at DE, CB, and S, then our defense could suddenly go from "Bleh!" to "Hey, we might have something". Maybe add a backup guy at DT and a competitor at MLB. This is all doable with the money the Browns have available to spend under the cap, and that must be spent by whatever the deadline is for 99% of the cap to be spent is. (end of season, or end of league year ... I'm not sure)
I suspect that the Browns are going to look at a RG/RT swing guy ... either Womack or a FA ....... maybe a RB (although I suspect that this position will be a UDFA "specialty" type player) ...... and that's about it on offense. I don't see us bringing in any QB or TE. Why bring in another average type WR to a really, really, heavy mix of average WR types? Nah .. I can see maybe a backup or 2 on offense, but that's about it.
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Open the Curtain ... Please Phil Dawson By Fred Greetham OBR Browns Reporter Posted Jul 28, 2011 Everyone awaits the Browns' moves beginning 4 p.m. today (Thursday) 0 Comments Without any news coming out of Berea—other than the obvious—dumping of QB Jake Delhomme—Browns fans are getting restless. However, there is hope, according to Pat Shurmur. “There is a lot going on behind the scenes, believe me,” Shurmur said Wednesday. “But what we’re doing will start to become public (Thursday) at 4.” The OBR’s Lane Adkins reports that the Browns are in the mix for three significant free agents, but Tom Heckert has said the Browns are going to be relatively conservative in that area. Two of the players are possibly OT Willie Colon and DE Ray Edwards. “Salary cap room is not an issue for us but we’d much rather spend it on our young players that we have right, now,” Heckert said. “We do like our players, so we’ll spend it, that’s not a question.” The Browns are expected to retain K Phil Dawson (franchise tag), TE Evan Moore (restricted FA) and possibly S Abe Elam (unrestricted FA). DL Robaire Smith, DE Jayme Mitchell and CB Eric Wright are other players the Browns have talked with, but nothing has transpired. “We’ve talked to a lot of our players and I’ve have a lot of good conversations with them,” Heckert said. “We’ll just have to wait and see what happens.” In other words, the Browns have made their pitch or offers and if the players don’t get what they perceive is a better opportunity, they will return, but the Browns aren’t bowling them over with a mega deal. Heckert said his priority is building through the draft. “The most active we’re ever going to be was last year,” Heckert said. “We’ve talked to a zillion guys in the last couple of days, but we don’t expect to sign many. I don’t think there will be any major surprises, no, but I mean, it’s still Wednesday.” Dawson Back: It appears that K Phil Dawson and the Browns have mended their differences and Dawson will rejoin the team. Heckert said he “had a very good conversation with Phil (Wednesday), and we’ll see what happens.” Dawson appeared headed for free agency as he sold his Westlake home and relocated to Texas, but with the franchise tag on him, he will most likely sign the one-year $3.175 million contract tender the Browns offered. The Browns can also sign him to a longer term contract. web page
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The Browns have reached a contract agreement with Usama Young with the intent of making the former Kent State cornerback their starting free safety, a league source has confirmed. The agreement was struck the first day teams were allowed to negotiate with free agents. It won't be announced officially until after 6 p.m. on Friday. Young, 26, was drafted in the third round by the New Orleans Saints as a cornerback, but has been a backup safety the past two years. All four years he was a core player on special teams. Young made six starts in 52 games for the Saints. He had three interceptions and one sack in spot duty on defense. Young was a four-year starter at Kent State and was a teammate of Josh Cribbs for three years. Young is expected to take the place of Abram Elam, who started two years under former coach Eric Mangini and is an unrestricted free agent. link
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hmm... what do you guys think about this? Handing over the starting FS spot to a bench player on another team hasn't worked out for us too well in the past. I felt pretty confident we'd come away with Huff or Atogwe.
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BEREA -- Browns tight end Evan Moore slipped into the media room for a few minutes to answer questions.
He said he expects to sign his restricted contract tender tomorrow, is healthy after an offseason procedure to correct a sports hernia and is recently engaged.
Moore also touched on a change in Colt McCoy that he's seen in the offseason workouts organized by the second-year quarterback.
"I think he's himself now," Moore said. "I think Colt is a natural born leader. When he first got here, in hindsight I realized he was definitely uncomfortable not being the leader and not being able to voice how he feels about things and push guys in a certain direction.
"Now you can tell it's not forced. He organized our offseason workouts. He basically ran our workouts. That's what you want your quarterback to do. I think he's ready go."
Good to hear that Evan intends to sign and stay and is happy to be here. Its from cleveland.com not the dreaded cbssportsline.  web page
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Interesting signing....like the creativity to fill the FS void...the other options are have beens or never beens...so worth a shot I guess...Ward, Young, Adams and Hagg seem to be our 4 safeties
Young started 3 games last season: in their loss to us (the D wasn't the problem there), 20-10 PIT win and 34-19 SEA win
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Heckert did say he wants to get faster, so adding a guy with mid-4.3 speed is a step in the right directions. I don't know if he can play, but I know he's fast
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i was thinking 3rd safety, but it sure does say starter in that article. hopefully, their source just said that in case we miss out on whoever our top target is?
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Heckert did say he wants to get faster, so adding a guy with mid-4.3 speed is a step in the right directions. I don't know if he can play, but I know he's fast
With his speed, he can cover a ton of ground. Hopefully they leave him deep and let him roam.
Also saw on http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl that Houston is allowing Amobi Okeye to look for trades. For the right price, I would think about it. He has been a decent starter, has 4 years of NFL experience, and just turned 24. Could be very solid in our rotation of lineman.
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Speed at FS is a must... they are the last line of defense against deep threats flanking the field. They have to be able to cover more ground than any other player on field.
We'll see if it pays off.
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hmm... what do you guys think about this? Handing over the starting FS spot to a bench player on another team hasn't worked out for us too well in the past. I felt pretty confident we'd come away with Huff or Atogwe.
I think that's a reporter talking.. when you hear it from Juoron, Heckert or Shurmer, then it's something to think about.
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well, it's 4:10 and we've heard a couple of things already,, Young and Moore..
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hmm... what do you guys think about this? Handing over the starting FS spot to a bench player on another team hasn't worked out for us too well in the past. I felt pretty confident we'd come away with Huff or Atogwe.
Nobody is going to be handed anything.
If he becomes one of our safeties it will be because he deserves to be.
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yeah, i hope so, but it's still relative to who you have available. this is the time where you should be maximizing what you have available. If they're planning on him being the FS, as the link suggested, then they're not going to bring someone in who's better.
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It could also mean that we are not planning on moving Brown over to FS like I was hoping we would do.
It's still early tho...
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I'm still waiting on the "Browns swoop in and steal Nnamdi!" headline...
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I'm still waiting on the "Browns swoop in and steal Nnamdi!" headline...
it'll come right after the "Indians nab Ubaldo" one.
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it'll come right after the "Indians nab Ubaldo" one.
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I'm not sure about a 186# FS.
Hopefully it'll be a good signing.
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hmm... what do you guys think about this? Handing over the starting FS spot to a bench player on another team hasn't worked out for us too well in the past. I felt pretty confident we'd come away with Huff or Atogwe.
He was behind Darren Sharper, and Malcolm Jenkins is the guy they're grooming for FS of the future down there. Kind of hard to get on the field when you have one of the better guy to play the position in the last couple decades, and one of their future stars ahead of you.
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