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We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
I have no idea how that applies to Roy Williams 
as has been noted, he was terrible for the Cowboys the last 2 years. He has had 1 very good year and another pretty good year in his entire career.
He is older, slower, and whined he was passed over by younger WRs last year (starting in training camp when he made a huge show out of Dez Bryant and continued whining about Miles and Dez throughout the year and not trying on the field).
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I agree! I hate seeing Eric Wright go. I think he got his head screwed up last year but I also know he performed well before that.
I agree - dude had a HORRIBLE year last year... but had a solid year the year before... I was hoping with a new coach he'd be able to turn it around... I hope this means we have plans for some DB help... I'm think I remember reading an article saying that we made offers to our FAs and that if they didn't want them they would move on... could be interesting....
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Let's not bring in guys just because they have Ohio roots. Let's bring in guys who are actually going to help us.
And as for releasing Wright, I seem to remember people being up in arms when Bodden left. He hasn't been a total bum, but he also hasn't been the stud that many held him out to be when he left.
Wait,, did I miss something,, was Wright released or was he a FA that was signed by Detroit?
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wonder whats going on with Phil Taylor's contract..
Damn, I have not heard or read a word on him.. or the rest of our draft with the exception of Sheard and Little.
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We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
I have no idea how that applies to Roy Williams
as has been noted, he was terrible for the Cowboys the last 2 years. He has had 1 very good year and another pretty good year in his entire career.
He is older, slower, and whined he was passed over by younger WRs last year (starting in training camp when he made a huge show out of Dez Bryant and continued whining about Miles and Dez throughout the year and not trying on the field).
No.Thank.You.
A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
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A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
The dude is trash
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We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
I have no idea how that applies to Roy Williams
as has been noted, he was terrible for the Cowboys the last 2 years. He has had 1 very good year and another pretty good year in his entire career.
He is older, slower, and whined he was passed over by younger WRs last year (starting in training camp when he made a huge show out of Dez Bryant and continued whining about Miles and Dez throughout the year and not trying on the field).
No.Thank.You.
A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
Talent gets you nowhere. He whines and and crys at the first sign of trouble.
You keep mentioning how Mangini and Ryan had the first "tough" team since the return, then want to sign Roy Williams? Are you kidding me?
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A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
The dude is trash
Well said. I want zero part of Roy Williams.
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the Cowboys gave a 1st and 3rd for Roy Williams, not 2 1st rounders. It was based on 1 big year in Detroit (and that he played for Tx and Jerry likes to sell tickets/jersey's). they also gave him a big contract.
ask any Cowboys fan how they feel about that trade or contract (I suggest wearing earplugs and ducking after you ask though)
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I would rather give a $60 million contract to an oscillating fan wearing a catcher's mitt.
Can I volunteer to be the fan getting $60mil?
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A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
The dude is trash
If Roy Williams is trash what name do you have for the refuse we have at WR.
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If Roy Williams is trash what name do you have for the refuse we have at WR.
Better than Roy Williams trash.
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A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
The dude is trash
If Roy Williams is trash what name do you have for the refuse we have at WR.
Potential that we need to see that fits in the WCO.
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Uh-oh,
"And rumor has it that we are trying to get Ray Edwards for DE help, and I wouldn't rule out a CB signing soon."
And then you say,
"You can't just claim that the front office isn't trying when you have no idea."
But you can claim they are doing something when you have no idea.
Akronjoe was wrong about Hillis,but so wee many others,he's been right more times than not.I see no need to jump on him when he expresses his thoughts,which I tend to agree with at times.
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Uh-oh,
"And rumor has it that we are trying to get Ray Edwards for DE help, and I wouldn't rule out a CB signing soon."
And then you say,
"You can't just claim that the front office isn't trying when you have no idea."
But you can claim they are doing something when you have no idea.
Akronjoe was wrong about Hillis,but so wee many others,he's been right more times than not.I see no need to jump on him when he expresses his thoughts,which I tend to agree with at times.
There have been multiple places that have reported us pursuing Edwards.
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Uh-oh,
"And rumor has it that we are trying to get Ray Edwards for DE help, and I wouldn't rule out a CB signing soon."
And then you say,
"You can't just claim that the front office isn't trying when you have no idea."
But you can claim they are doing something when you have no idea.
Akronjoe was wrong about Hillis,but so wee many others,he's been right more times than not.I see no need to jump on him when he expresses his thoughts,which I tend to agree with at times.
There have been a bunch of people saying we have been pursuing edwards.
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We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
I have no idea how that applies to Roy Williams
as has been noted, he was terrible for the Cowboys the last 2 years. He has had 1 very good year and another pretty good year in his entire career.
He is older, slower, and whined he was passed over by younger WRs last year (starting in training camp when he made a huge show out of Dez Bryant and continued whining about Miles and Dez throughout the year and not trying on the field).
No.Thank.You.
A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
Holy smokes.. two over statements in one paragraph.. A Horrible Williams is NOT,, let me repeat this,, NOT light years ahead of our starting WR's. And we do NOT have the worse set of WR's in the entire NFL.
Geez,., if I'm captain obvious,, you must be captain overstatment..
Must I remind you about the "ham sandwich" stuff.. you were wrong then.. but you insisted you were right. Let me say that perhaps stepping back a little, take another look at it.. you may find that you are wrong again.
Just saying..
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Well we will need you to post a youtube videos of yourself oscillating. 
Am I perfect? No
Am I trying to be a better person?
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We need a reliable PROVEN receiver to help Colt's development.
I have no idea how that applies to Roy Williams
as has been noted, he was terrible for the Cowboys the last 2 years. He has had 1 very good year and another pretty good year in his entire career.
He is older, slower, and whined he was passed over by younger WRs last year (starting in training camp when he made a huge show out of Dez Bryant and continued whining about Miles and Dez throughout the year and not trying on the field).
No.Thank.You.
A horrible Roy Williams is light years better than our starting WRS. we have THE worst set of wrs in the entire NFL. Yep Roy had a tough year yet not to far back the Pokes gave two #1 picks for the guy. he has talent, a lot more than what we have on this team.
I gotta agree with Joe.... In Williams' worst years, he's putting up numbers that match against the best years of our current receivers. He never played with much in Detroit yet still did well.
I have no idea why he didn;t excel with the Cowboys. But I think he's got game left in him and would hopefully be somewhat cost effective.
As Joe said, he's better than what we've got.
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Daman, not that I'm necessarily casting my ballot here, but who's WR corps are worse than ours?
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He had his last "okay" year in 2007. The crapped the bed for the Cowboys. And he's a knucklehead.
The best thing he couldn't done was go Chicago and play for Mike Martz, the offensive coordinator during his successful time in Detroit.
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Daman, not that I'm necessarily casting my ballot here, but who's WR corps are worse than ours?
our guys are young and all potential. a case could easily be made that they are the worst based on past production (or at least among the worst).
other teams in contention would be the Vikings, Titans (if Britt gets suspended), Raiders (another team with some young potential), and possibly Bengals (again young potential)
i'm sure i'm leaving off a team but those were the first to come to mind.
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who cares, why would you agree with Joe that they are the worst in the NFL,, who did we have throwing to them thier first year,, last year, until McCoy came in, what did we have throwing to them
You can't fairly judge a WR if you can't get him the damn ball.. this year will tell a lot providing McCoy can get them the ball..
To say we have the worst without taking that into consideration isn't really giving them a chance.
Let's see what happens this year.. if Colt puts the ball on the money and they drop it or just miss it,, then yeah, I'll agree with you and Joe,,until then,., I'm sticking to my beliefs.
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Daman, not that I'm necessarily casting my ballot here, but who's WR corps are worse than ours?
I got curious myself and I can find two teams in the running that could be in the argument for worst/unproven WR corps.... St, Louis and Oakland.
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I could see us signing Mark Clayton or Bernard Berrian. How much either of those guys help Colt is anyone's guess.
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I really don't see us signing any WR's. We already have four guys who it seems the front office is comfortable with (Massaquoi, Robiske, Cribbs, and Little) and a few others who are trying for a spot on the 53-man (Mitchell, Haggerty, Norwood). I don't think there is room for anyone else.
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Ok Daman, but you could just as easily flip the equation and say you can;t judge a QB without giving him adequate targets to work with.
I'm not looking to slam our boys too much as I do see some potential there. Personally I think Robiskie will blossom this year as he started to finally make strides at the end part of last year. However, I think Mass will never be much more than he is now. Cribbs is a novelty WR. Mitchell and Little are unproven but I think Little will be solid as well.
I am of the opinion though that we could use an experienced receiver to give Colt a safe target downfield. I think Roy would be a good option although I'd also gladly look at Moss or Sims-Walker (preference to Sims-Walker as he's got more left in him)
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Daman, not that I'm necessarily casting my ballot here, but who's WR corps are worse than ours?
I got curious myself and I can find two teams in the running that could be in the argument for worst/unproven WR corps.... St, Louis and Oakland.
the 49ers also,, but here again, it comes back to who is throwing them the ball.. In St. Louis they had Bradford and I think we can all agree, he's going to be one of the better to play,, but he was a rookie last season. so is it fair to say the receivers weren't any good..... I don't believe it is.
Having said that, if you can prove to me that our receivers weren't running the routes they were taught to run... then that's a horse of a different color... But you can't.. So the issues we had last season, were they the system, the OC, the QB or the receivers? which was it..
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Daman, not that I'm necessarily casting my ballot here, but who's WR corps are worse than ours?
I got curious myself and I can find two teams in the running that could be in the argument for worst/unproven WR corps.... St, Louis and Oakland.
the 49ers also,, but here again, it comes back to who is throwing them the ball.. In St. Louis they had Bradford and I think we can all agree, he's going to be one of the better to play,, but he was a rookie last season. so is it fair to say the receivers weren't any good..... I don't believe it is.
Having said that, if you can prove to me that our receivers weren't running the routes they were taught to run... then that's a horse of a different color... But you can't.. So the issues we had last season, were they the system, the OC, the QB or the receivers? which was it..
I can't prove that. No one can. I have to assume that they are professionals and were doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. But regardless of route or scheme, shouldn't their god given ability give them the opportunity to get open and make a play? I mean, I hated Daboll from day one and believe he is likely the worst OC I've ever seen but to say that our WRs underperformed by THAT much because of poor play calling? I dunno....I find that to find a bit hard to swallow.
IMO, we currently have a well below average receiving core. I think without providing Colt with weapons, we will slow or even curb his development.
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I really don't see us signing any WR's. We already have four guys who it seems the front office is comfortable with (Massaquoi, Robiske, Cribbs, and Little) and a few others who are trying for a spot on the 53-man (Mitchell, Haggerty, Norwood). I don't think there is room for anyone else.
We have something like 13 or 14 WRs right now. (with UDFA) There's a limit to how many guys you can bring into camp at any one position. The front office seems to like Massaquoi, Robiske, Mitchell, and Little. They have also had nice things to say about Norwood, and even sought out his father (Brian Norwood, DC at Baylor) for a reference regarding Taylor. He's got the quicks, route running ability, and hands to be an effective slot type guy.
Ther really isn't room for much more at WR ..... unless it's a surefire starter "#1" guy. WE have plenty of #2s and guys with potential.
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I really don't see us signing any WR's. We already have four guys who it seems the front office is comfortable with (Massaquoi, Robiske, Cribbs, and Little) and a few others who are trying for a spot on the 53-man (Mitchell, Haggerty, Norwood). I don't think there is room for anyone else.
We have something like 13 or 14 WRs right now. (with UDFA) There's a limit to how many guys you can bring into camp at any one position. The front office seems to like Massaquoi, Robiske, Mitchell, and Little. They have also had nice things to say about Norwood, and even sought out his father (Brian Norwood, DC at Baylor) for a reference regarding Taylor. He's got the quicks, route running ability, and hands to be an effective slot type guy.
Ther really isn't room for much more at WR ..... unless it's a surefire starter "#1" guy. WE have plenty of #2s and guys with potential.
I'd say we have a couple potential number #2s and then just alot of "hope for the best" talent. I honestly don't think we're going to sign a WR either.... I also think that its a mistake not to.
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The only way it's a mistake to not sign someone is if a clear cut #1 is available.
Otherwise we would just be doubling up #2s 2 deep across the board. That's not particularly helpful, especially when we have a couple of guys who are probably going to get the year to develop regardless. (Mitchell and Little)
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So whats the deal with Sheard and little? They close to signing? Cant find anything on them.
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I thought they both already signed?
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I have to assume that they are professionals and were doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. But regardless of route or scheme, shouldn't their god given ability give them the opportunity to get open and make a play?
I think I see our disconnect.. you are assuming that they can just use thier athletic abilities to make plays and I guess that's true to an extent, but still, if the ball isn't where it's supposed to be,, what is it you expect them to do.
Jerry Rice, arguably one of, if not the best receiver to play the game right? What if Joe Montana was more like Derek Anderson? Would Rice then be a bad receiver?
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