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Good luck, LV. Arian Foster is now a top-2 fantasy pick.
I'm pretty sure he was regardless..
... and then you add the fact that Vickers is replacing Vonta Leach, last years pro bowl fullback for the AFC. You could make a strong argument this isn't really an upgrade for them at all.
But Vickers = Former Browns Player = GREAT
Leach = Former Other Team Player = Not as good as OUR PLAYERS!!!!
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Other than hearing he is in camp,, I've not heard one word about Vickers replacement yet. Is that a good sign or a bad one..
I think we're going to miss Vickers ...
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Good luck to Vickers. Played his heart out and was a good team player.
But, now he doesn't play for us anymore. So I'm not going to really give him much thought.
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The only thing I saw was on the clevelandbrowns.com front page tw*tt*r feed where someone asked if Tyler Clutts was looking good, and they replied that Marecic had gotten most of the snaps.
I think Marecic will be OK, but I think it will take time to get to LV's level, and I think it was a waste of a resource to create-then-fill that hole when we drafted him.
*** but i also thing we're losing an intangible as that guy had a terrific attitude. ***
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one of the favorite possibilities of many here is now off the market
What's up with this FA? I've seen a lot of good options let go. While most FA offers few good options and way too high prices, this one seems to have more good players.
We haven't spent much money, don't we have a floor we have to reach?
What high money guys are still out there?
I'm just stuck wondering, are these high priced guys simply not interested in coming to Cleveland or are we not making plays for them?
We still need a CB and a DT (IMO). We could also use a RT.
We really could have used guys like Ray Edwards, Ryan Harris, Eric Weddle, Barry Cofield. In fact, we could have really could have signed 3 of 4 of them, and also signed Eric Wright. We'd be much better. I just really was hoping that Ray Edwards would come here, and at 6 million a year, it's a pretty good deal to man our strongside DE spot
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it's been reported the past few days that the floor doesn't take effect until 2013 (i think Mourg posted it here).
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The team obviously feels that we are now set at CB. I think that Skrines stepping in and showing a lot already helped settle a few stomachs in Berea ..... then adding a CB from the Eagles who has some starting experience ..... that really finished the CB picture for now.
We were never going to look at an older, top dollar startr at CB. We already have one of those, and adding a 2nd makes little sense.
Whether people like it or not, and/or want to accept it or not, the team really likes Pashos at RT, and they feel that they have added enough behind him that they feel comfortable. Again, they were never going to chase the top dollar guys at RT. Fans thought that they would/should .... but it was never going to happen.
When I look at a lot of OL around the league, they're probably right not to. Most lines have one or 2 high picks, then a collection of lower picks and UDFA. A great OL doesn't necesarily need top picks and top dollar guys at every spot.
I think that the team is still looking for a backup DT. They ahve their starters, and I think that they are very happy with the pairing of Taylor with Rubin. I am too. I thik that they'll be a very effective duo in the middle, and I can't wait to see them play.
Now LB scares the hell out of me. I think it's our weakest position right now. I think we could use another Safety. Other than these 2 spots, plus maybe a backup DT, I think they're done adding guys.
Now if someone pops up on the market that the team really thinks highly of (watch the Eagles cut lists) then they might add another player at another spot .... but I think that, overall, the additions to the team are done for the most part.
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Weddle stayed in SD for the richest ever S contract. Consider him to have never been on the market (because in reality he wasn't)
Would Edwards have come to Cleveland instead of Superbowl contending Atlanta (who plays in a dome on a fast-track like he is used to from Minny) for $6mil / year? Doubt it. How much would we have had to bump that salary? $7mil/8mil? For a guy that many (including me) are not convinced he really deserves all the pub.
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Jeff Chidiha on Jim Rome just said something along the lines of "Albert Haynesworth will play better this year because Bill Belichick is a better motivator than Mike Shannahan and he'll have a chip on his shoulder."
Are you kidding me?
Haynesworth needs to be MOTIVATED? A chip on his shoulder?!?
The guy was given a 100 million dollar contract... I don't know whats more ridiculous... Haynesworth, or the people that feel the need to make excuses for him...
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He's right though. Haynesworth will have a monster year.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ht-in-michigan/Braylon Edwards still could be facing trouble after fight in Michigan Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2011, 4:53 PM EDT Jets coach Rex Ryan says he’s interested in former Browns and Jets receiver Braylon Edwards, at the right price. That price could be paid in the form of bail money. Despite a Monday report from FOX 2 in Detroit suggesting that Edwards had no role in a fight that allegedly involved two members of his entourage assaulting bar employees with a knife and a fork, respectively, Jay M. Grossman of the Birmingham Eccentric reports that Braylon was involved in the brouhaha. Specifically, the proprietors of the South Bar in Birmingham, Michigan issued a statement implicating the former Wolverine: “Braylon Edwards was present and involved, but it’s an ongoing police investigation so at this time we don’t have any further information.” Birmingham police explain that Edwards wasn’t arrested on the scene because police were too busy breaking up the fight to notice whether Edwards was involved. For now, two of Braylon’s cousins have been charged with felonious assault. One bouncer at the bar was slashed on the hand with a pocket knife. Another was stabbed in the neck with a fork. Employees of the bar privately told Grossman that Edwards was encouraging his cousins to fight. Also present at the time was former Wolverine star and NBA star (and ESPN employee) Jalen Rose, who reportedly tried to stop the fight. Edwards has more than his employee prospects hinging on this one. He’s still on probation for assault in Cleveland, where he recently faced the possibility of jail time based on a guilty to DUI in New York.
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I wouldn't say it's a sure thing that we think we are set at CB.. whole lotta camp and preseason left there will be cuts, so who knows who we might pick up..
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Things can always change ..... but I think that we have a pretty good idea who our top 4 corners will be.
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The only thing I saw was on the clevelandbrowns.com front page tw*tt*r feed where someone asked if Tyler Clutts was looking good, and they replied that Marecic had gotten most of the snaps.
I think Marecic will be OK, but I think it will take time to get to LV's level, and I think it was a waste of a resource to create-then-fill that hole when we drafted him.
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Although I hate to lose Vickers, it just came to me that I recall a few years ago when we let Terrelle Smith walk, alot of folks had a similar concern.
I guess Browns fans love their fullbacks.
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The team obviously feels that we are now set at CB. I think that Skrines stepping in and showing a lot already helped settle a few stomachs in Berea ..... then adding a CB from the Eagles who has some starting experience ..... that really finished the CB picture for now.
We were never going to look at an older, top dollar starter at CB. We already have one of those, and adding a 2nd makes little sense.
Whether people like it or not, and/or want to accept it or not, the team really likes Pashos at RT, and they feel that they have added enough behind him that they feel comfortable. Again, they were never going to chase the top dollar guys at RT. Fans thought that they would/should .... but it was never going to happen.
When I look at a lot of OL around the league, they're probably right not to. Most lines have one or 2 high picks, then a collection of lower picks and UDFA. A great OL doesn't necesarily need top picks and top dollar guys at every spot.
I think that the team is still looking for a backup DT. They ahve their starters, and I think that they are very happy with the pairing of Taylor with Rubin. I am too. I thik that they'll be a very effective duo in the middle, and I can't wait to see them play.
Now LB scares the hell out of me. I think it's our weakest position right now. I think we could use another Safety. Other than these 2 spots, plus maybe a backup DT, I think they're done adding guys.
Now if someone pops up on the market that the team really thinks highly of (watch the Eagles cut lists) then they might add another player at another spot .... but I think that, overall, the additions to the team are done for the most part.
That is a pretty good take.
One also has to consider there were plenty of guys drafted and signed as UDFA players we probably had our eyes on.
As some of them get cut, I am sure we saved their phone numbers....there will be some signings of young guys and maybe a few vets once cuts start.
As for Vickers, my guess is early on we told his agent we would be interested in signing him in the X dollar range. Not a firm offer, just conversation. Just setting the table so to speak.
When the agent said that wasn't going to be possible we said we'll just go another direction, thus the drafting of the kid from Stanford.
I didn't click the link....did it say what he signed for??
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Maybe they thought Vickers wasn't the type of fullback who would thrive in our variation of the WCO. In other words, he doesn't have enough ball skills.
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Although I hate to lose Vickers, it just came to me that I recall a few years ago when we let Terrelle Smith walk, alot of folks had a similar concern.
I guess Browns fans love their fullbacks.
BINGO!!!!!!
Terelle Smith was called the best FB in the NFL by our fans. Vickers was called the best FB in the NFL by our fans. Vonta Leach was the best FB in the NFL, and he and Vickers and even Smith are all clones.
Neither Vickers or Smith were good ball carriers. Neither was that impressive at catching the ball. Their love comes from a lack of talent on this team.
I seen many try to say that they were the reason Hillis and Harrison had big games. While I'll agree they threw key blocks, alot of Hrrison's yards were helped by downfield blocking by WRs also. I laugh when people poo poo Harrison and try to say that it was all Vickers. It was a combination of FB,WR, Oline, and yes talent at RB that produced big numbers.
I liked Vickers just as everyone else does, but he is so overrated as a player that it cracks me up. I've seen many good RBs, some very small in stature throw just as many lead blocks as Vickers,Smith , or Leach.
I am willing to bet that before the year ends, there will be highlights of Hillis, Marecic, and probably Jackson blowing someone up with a lead block. Vickers will be an afterthought in six months.
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Neither Vickers or Smith were good ball carriers. Neither was that impressive at catching the ball.
Exactly.
And using a FB in the WCO requires one who can catch the ball and can run somewhat effectively. Vickers never proved he could catch the ball in his time as a Brown (it didn't help that he had DA and BQ throwing screen passes into the dirt, or over his head, or behind him but still... he never showed flashes of good hands/running ability).
Good luck to him and thanks for the effort he gave us, but he was a poor fit in Holmgren's offence (ooops, I meant Shurmur's). 
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it's been reported the past few days that the floor doesn't take effect until 2013 (i think Mourg posted it here).
This makes sense. Therefore, we're probably trying to put ourselves in the right structure before it starts in 2013.
Now I have an answer and everything is sitting much better in my stomach
Well I still see some serious weaknesses. Corner (Sheldon Brown is not good enough to be the starter alongside Eric Wright. This really has me nervous. Sheldon Brown's game has been getting worse every season. Last season, he was a valuable contributor, but I don't want to go into the season relying on him as a starting corner. This new guy Buster Skrine and this new Eagle probably aren't good enough either. Not re-signing Eric Wright sucks.
We also need help at D-Tackle (how about Shaun Ellis short contract?). And we could also use some sort of right tackle
I guess I'm just frustrated, I'm looking at our team for this season and we don't look particularly good. It's a good thing I'm gonna be working on a ship for most of the fall
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Assuming that Skrine and the guy from Philly are bad is just that...asssumptions. Brown was injured, and played decent before the injury.
IMO, there are going to be many surprises from players on the roster already. I truly believe that Mangini and staff had no idea how to develop talent, and wasted precious development time that some of these young guys needed. They continuously played over the hill washed up veterans instaed of giving the rookies and young players needed experience.
I'm not saying they didn't play rookies, so all those ready to list the rookies who did play, save it. I'm talking about guys on the roster for a couple years now and some new last year that still have not seen playing time.
I might get burnt, but I have a feeling many of us are going to be surprised at what a competent coaching staff can achieve with young talent.
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Vickers got $3 million. Hardly a king's ransom.
Seems like a lot for a blocker....the guy had limited skills IMO. Use a rookie guard.
I think a lot of you Vickers guys bought Vicker's jersey's and don't want to buy another.
Fullbacks are a dime a dozen.
Being a pro bowl full back doesn't make you valuable.
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I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but IMO he is a good example. I think Mitchell should have been given some time at wide out last year. He has the speed to stretch the field, and it would have been nice to see if he could actually play.
Jayme Mitchell is another. I trust Heckert as a talent evaluator, and I just feel Mangini was so stubborn that he did things to prove he was in command. He stocked the roster with over the hill veterans, and let young players rot in oblivion.
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