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Samuel doesn't really make any sense for us - he's 30 years old.
It's not about the 3rd round pick, it's about the $26 million he's still owed in the next three years.
I'd much rather have a third round pick + Carlos Rogers + Justin Blalock, which would be about the same investment of resources.
True, Joseph made sense. However, that ship has sailed. We need some bodies and we need to spend some money by Rule so I'm not opposed to the idea of a deal for Asante as long as it's not completely outrageous.
Doubt it happens however, he'll probably end up in Arizona. Or maybe he'll make the change to FS for them?
I really hate saying this,, But, would the Steelers go after Asante or any high dollar FA or someone in trade if they were in the same situation as us? No, they'd bite the bullet and take the time to build it right.
Just saying, jumping on a guy like Asante or really any big buck FA/trade doesn't make any sense to me.
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Yep he is a real ray of sunshine, waltzing though life smelling the roses, and enjoying the breeze on a warm summers afternoon.
That's funny. But I got the impression he was more of a frolicking through the daisy's type guy. Haha j/k
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Cleveland signs all of its draft picks except No. 1 Phil Taylor: Browns Insider
Published: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 3:34 AM Updated: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 5:03 AM
By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
AP The Browns were hoping to get Phil Taylor signed and in camp on time.
CLEVELAND, Ohio — The Browns were working hard late Friday night to get first-round pick Phil Taylor -- their lone remaining unsigned pick -- under contract in time for today's first training camp practice.
Peter Schaffer, Taylor's agent, and the Browns were unable to agree in time for the defensive tackle to report for the 7 p.m. team meeting. But the two sides were hopeful they could get Taylor, the No. 21 overall pick, signed in time for him to pass his conditioning test and be on the field with the rest of the team this morning at 10:30.
The prac tice is closed to the public. The first open practice is Sunday from 8:45 to 11:15 a.m. Taylor has extra incentive for signing because players are now fined $30,000 per day for holding out of camp under the new labor agreement.
The No. 20 overall pick, Adrian Clayborn of Iowa, has signed a four-year, $8.2 million deal with Tampa Bay. During the day, Taylor kidded in a Tweet: ". . . Lockout is over. Contract can't be that hard. Lol."
Taylor is in town and ready to go as soon as the deal is reached. He also attended Camp Colt IV in Austin, Texas, earlier this month and became acquainted with his new teammates and the 4-3 defense. He abstained from practicing because he wasn't under contract, but he attended meetings and team functions.
The rest are signed: The rest of the Browns' draft picks were signed and in camp. They are defensive end Jabaal Sheard, receiver Greg Little, tight end Jordan Cameron, fullback Owen Marecic, cornerback Buster Skrine, offensive tackle Jason Pinkston, and safety Eric Hagg. All are expected on the field today.
Mitchell signs: The Browns also signed free-agent defensive end Jayme Mitchell to a two-year contract and penciled him in at left defense end.
Mitchell (6-6, 285 pounds) was acquired by the Browns in October in a trade with the Vikings for a late-round 2012 draft pick, but never saw the field.
This season, Mitchell is expecting to see action in coordinator Dick Jauron's 4-3 defense -- the same scheme he played in at Minnesota. Mitchell told Pro Football Weekly that the "direction of the [Browns'] program" and their interest in him were factors in him re-signing here.
Young, Jackson report: The Browns didn't officially announce any signings Friday, but free safety Usama Young and running back Brandon Jackson both signed their deals and reported to camp. Sources said Young's contract was three years, about $6 million. Jackson's was two years, $4.5 million.
No Ray: The Browns never were interested in Vikings pass-rushing end Ray Edwards, who signed a five-year, $30 million deal with the Falcons on Friday.
"Cleveland never reached out to us on Ray or never returned our calls," said Doug Hendrickson, his agent.
Rumors had surfaced Friday that the Browns were involved in talks for the defensive end.
Stuckey gone: The Cardinals signed free-agent receiver Chansi Stuckey.
To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
I was unaware of the fines for holding out!
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/07/cleveland_browns_sign_all_of_t.html
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I know this is against board etiquette but I posted this in another thread and I think it goes here as well:
There are no "five year plans" anymore. That just doesn't cut it in today's NFL. At most, a fan base or an owner will give a FO 3 years to start hitting the playoffs. Unless you're Mike Brown and the Bengals....then you just care about money.
This team is sorely lacking in talent. Two years at 5-11 should be a solid hint that we pretty much suck as a football team.
Teams that suck need talent. We have very little. I'm all for building with the Draft. But that cannot and should not be the only way to get talent. Not if you want your team to be at least "good" before they leap to great.
I'm not saying grab every big name FA out there. But one or two high quality guys are not out of our reach financially. The fact that we don't appear to be even trying to haul in top notch talent is starting to worry me.
I have faith in H&H's abilities as football men. But that faith isn't blind. And it isn't everlasting. I don't expect a winner this year. But I do expect improvement over last year. If I don't see it I won't be bashful about voicing my displeasure.
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Some that r left...
DE- Cliff Avril, Derrick Harvey...
LB- Stephen Tulloch, Barrett Ruud...
CB- Antonio Cromartie, Brent Grimes, Chris Carr, Carlos Rogers...
S- Michael Huff, Donte Whitner...
WR- James Jones, Malcolm Floyd, Danny Amendola, Early Doucet, Steve Smith...
OL- Jamaal Brown, Ryan Harris, Justin Blalock, Barry Richardson, Ryan O'Callaghan, Womack and Yates...
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come on dawg you know you need a link
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Why do you continue to make assumptions about players you probably have never seen play after what happened last year with Hillis?
If the GM signs someone you've never heard of, you automatically think they suck. That statement basically covers all your posts.
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I'm glad they resigned Yates. The line play on the right side was noticeably better when he was in last year, imo. Hope they keep Womack too.
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ha,, I don't think anyone cares if you post the same thing in several threads as long as it applies.. Quote:
There are no "five year plans" anymore.
I don't believe that. I think it's a myth, I think Owners are the ones that decide that and if an owner wants to set up the team to win for years and years, then the 5 year plans are the way to go when the team is in the position the Browns are in., that is, as you say, lacking talent.
Two different schools of thought,
1. Get homerun hitters and pay through the nose and hope the Home Run Hitters don't fall flat on thier face (haynesworth)
2. Build through the draft, Pay less, grow your own talent and then hang on to the guys you grew.. the thought is, win for 10 years.. (ala NE and Pitts)
Neither is totally wrong, just different. I just think that winning one and done isn't going to make it. I prefer long term winners built right from the getgo.
I like that better,, But that's just me.
Bottom line for me is that I'm not at all disappointed with the way the Browns are handleing things this year.
not even a little.
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Benard part time was a better pass rusher than Ray Edwards. I really believe this kid can be a double digit sack artist as he gains more experience. He isn't as good against the run as Edwards but he wasn't bad in that area.
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I think there is a legitimate 3rd way; to build through the draft and to use a judicious approach to FA. If there is a rare talent available at one of the key positions (QB, CB, DE, LT), and its an obvious upgrade for your team that you can afford cap-wise - you dive in. Asomugha might be a good example. How good would our secondary look with him and Haden out there? Its not just about taking the last step to the SB, its about getting better. In our case, it might have meant moving from "mediocre" up to "good". Next step would be "contender", and you'd be that much closer.
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You know what the funny thing is.... some people flip because we aren't going after people, and the FO is happy with where were are in that process. And others defend it, saying we shouldn't overspend or focus on the big names out there.
The truth is, we continually suck. Every year, with the exception of 2. Now I don't want to completely blow our wad, so to speak, on everyone out there. But you have to add talent to get better. Period. I know our goal is to build via the draft. But until those picks actually do something, besides the few we have had here or there, we severely lack talent on this team. So if they want to start bringing a few bigger name guys, I ain't gonna be too upset about it.
With that said, we need to really focus on a corner. And I don't mean some guy who didn't start elsewhere who'll get thrown in here. Carlos Rodgers...someone... please.
I couldn't agree more DawgPound017, well said 
Adding my $0.02...
It just amazes me that we haven't done anything. We were 5-11! This FA period is unprecedented in that we effectively have two years of FA available. So far we have added two 3rd string players.
I was pretty confident that we could pick up 2-4 good young starters to fill some of the holes on this team and make up for poor drafting of previous regimes. But, alas, that doesn't seem to be happening.
It seems like we are hell bent on filling the roster with completely unproven UDFA and rookies in an effort to get younger. Fine, we need a youth movement for sure. But, we also need one or two more big time play makers!
By being so docile in FA so far, are Heckert and Holmgren saying that they don't think any of the FA available are better than some of the players on this roster? Are you kidding me? We were 5-11! I know, they just don't want to over pay.
At the start of FA I believe we were one of the teams that had to spend the most to get to the Cap floor. I thought we had $52 million we had to spend. Couldn't we have afforded to splurge a little? Why would Joe Thomas want to stay with this team? Right now, on paper, we don't look much better than last year. Sure, we drafted some needs but will they pan out? Time will tell.
I certainly hope that in the next few days, since the dust has now settled on the big time FA's, that we will acquire some players that can compete for (hopefully take) a starting spot in our weak LB core, or our weak right side of the Oline. We certainly could use another starting corner, Nate Clements anyone? 
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Browns sign 21 rookie free agents Posted 9 minutes ago The Browns have signed 21 undrafted rookie free agents, the team announced Saturday morning. The Cleveland Browns today announced the signing of 21 undrafted free agents. The group includes five linebackers, three offensive linemen, three wide receivers, three defensive backs, three defensive linemen, one running back, one tight end, one quarterback and one kicker. DERRICK ADDAI – Switched from safety to linebacker before his senior season at Western Kentucky (2007-10)… Started 10 of 11 games as senior, recording a team-high 95 tackles with five sacks… Younger brother of Indianapolis Colts running back Joseph Addai… Attended Sharpstown (Houston, Texas) High School. DOMINIC ALFORD – Appeared in 42 games with 21 starts at Minnesota (2007-10)… Saw action at both right and left guard… Attended Shaker Heights High School in Cleveland. KYLE ANDERSON – Played his first two years at Western Kentucky (2007-08) before transferring to The Citadel (2009) and finishing his collegiate career at Georgetown (Ky.) (2010)… Helped lead the Tigers to the Mid-South Conference East Division title in 2010, anchoring a defense that was second in the league in scoring defense… Totaled 32 tackles, two sacks and one interception in eight games as a senior en route to first team All-NAIA honors… Attended Bloomington Jefferson (Minneapolis, Minn.) High School. ANDRE CAROLL – Started 28 of 32 career games at Delaware State (2007-10)… Led the team in tackles as both a junior (56) and senior (88)… Started all 10 contests as a senior and notched 88 tackles and four sacks… Attended Neptune (N.J.) High School. L.J. CASTILE – Played one season at Delta State (2010) after transferring from Houston (2007-09)… Tallied 60 receptions for 854 yards with 16 touchdowns while at Houston… Posted 67 receptions for 900 yards with 13 touchdowns during senior season at Delta State… Attended LaMarque (Texas) High School. JAMES DOCKERY – Tallied 106 career tackles and six interceptions while at Oregon State (2007, 2009-10)… Recorded a team-leading four interceptions as a senior en route to earning Pac-10 Conference honorable mention… Attended Palm Desert (Calif.) High School. JABARI FLETCHER – Started 41 of 51 career games at Appalachian State (2007-10)… Notched 21.5 career sacks… Totaled 60 tackles, nine sacks and one interception in 13 games as a senior… Attended Grady (Atlanta, Ga,) High School. CALTON FORD – Four year starter at Norfolk State (2007-10)… Started 43 of 45 career games… Saw action at right tackle in 37 games and eight at left guard… Attended Indian River High School in Chesapeake, Va. EVAN FROSCH – An All-Mountain West conference performer at TCU (2007-10) as a junior and senior… Hauled in 20 career receptions for 177 yards with two touchdowns… Attended Robert E. Lee High (Midland, Texas) School. CARL GETTIS – Appeared in 54 games with 50 starts at Missouri (2007-10)… Totaled 236 career tackles and four interceptions… As a senior, registered 48 tackles, two interceptions and two fumble recoveries, while starting all 13 games… Attended Fort Zumwalt West (O’Fallon, Mo.) High School. DARIAN HAGAN – Played in 38 games with 26 starts in his four seasons at California (2007-10)… Collected 124 career tackles, two sacks, four interceptions, a forced fumble and two fumble recoveries including one that he returned 82 yards for a touchdown against Colorado in 2010… Earned honorable mention All-Pac-10 honors as a senior… Attended Crenshaw (Los Angeles, Calif.) High School. BENJAMIN JACOBS – Totaled 387 career tackles with four sacks and one interceptions at Fresno State (2007-10)… Tied an NCAA record with three forced fumbles in one game in 2009… A first team All-WAC honoree… Attended Silverado (Las Vegas, Nev.) High School. CHRIS MATTHEWS – Spent two years at Kentucky (2009-10) after transferring from Los Angeles Harbor Junior College (2007-08)… Totaled 93 receptions for 1,279 while at Kentucky… Hauled in a team-best nine receiving touchdowns in 2010… Attended Dorsey (Los Angeles, Calif.) High School. JUAN NUNEZ – Started 25 of 37 career games at Western Michigan (2007-10)… Totaled 190 career receptions for 2,337 yards with 24 touchdowns… Earned first team All-MAC honors after recording 91 receptions for 1,032 yards with 10 touchdowns as a senior… Attended Miami Carol City (Fla.) High School. JARROD SHAW – Started 16 of 23 career games at Tennessee (2007-10)… Opened games at both guard spots and left tackle… Started all 13 games as a senior with eight at right guard and five at left guard… Attended Northside High School in Lafayette La. ARMOND SMITH – Attended both Hutchinson Community College and Shorter College before transferring to Union (Ky.) College (2009-10)… Named the 2010 the Mid-South Conference West Offensive Player of the Year after averaging 125.1 yards per game… Set numerous school records, including rushing yards in a game (312), rushing yards in a season (1,376), rushing touchdowns in a game (five) and rushing touchdowns in a season (16)… Attended Redan (Stone Mountain, Ga.) High School. BRIAN SMITH – Started 29 of 47 career games at Notre Dame (2007-10)… Totaled 199 career tackles, five sacks, four interceptions and three forced fumbles... Appeared in all 13 games as a senior and tallied 49 tackles, one sack, one forced fumble and one interception… Attended St. Thomas Aquinas (Overland Park, Kan.) High School. SIDNEY TARVER – Started 30 of 40 games at Tennessee State (2007-10)… Registered 144 career tackles, 4.5 sacks and two interceptions including one he returned for an 89-yard touchdown in 2009… As a senior, started all 13 games and totaled 62 tackles and 3.5 sacks… Attended Baylor (Chattanooga, Tenn.) High School. 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ALEX WUJCIAK – Three-time All-ACC selection at Maryland (2007-10)… Finished 10th on the school’s all-time career list with 381 tackles… Started all 38 career games and collected 2.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, one fumble recovery and four interceptions… Attended Seton Hall Prep (West Orange, N.J.) High School. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...f8-08fc9db37eb6
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Posted by: Barry McBride on Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 8:28:00 AM Browns issue press release on rookie signings The Browns this morning issued a press release telling us what we already knew: All the rookies other than Phillip Taylor have been signed: The Cleveland Browns today signed seven of their eight 2011 draft choices, a list which consists of defensive lineman Jabaal Sheard, wide receiver Greg Little, tight end Jordan Cameron, fullback Owen Marecic, defensive back Buster Skrine, offensive lineman Jason Pinkston and defensive back Eric Hagg. Selected in the second round with the 37th overall pick, Sheard opened 38 of his 47 career games at the University of Pittsburgh (2007-10). He recorded 142 career tackles, 19.5 sacks, five forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries. He was named consensus first-team All-America, All-Big East Conference first team and selected the Big East Conference Defensive Player of the Year in 2010. He recorded 52 tackles, nine sacks, four forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries in 12 games while serving as a team captain as a senior. Drafted in the second round (59th overall) with a choice acquired from Atlanta, Little started 28 of his 37 career games at the University of North Carolina (2007-09). He recorded 86 receptions for 969 yards with six touchdowns and rushed for 805 yards and six touchdowns on 166 carries. He started all 13 games at receiver in 2009 and led the team with 62 receptions for 724 yards with five touchdowns. Tabbed in the fourth round (102nd overall), Cameron appeared in 23 games at the University of Southern California (2008-10) after transferring from Ventura Junior College (2007) and Brigham Young University (2006). He saw action in 12 contests as a senior, recording 16 receptions for 126 yards and one touchdown. Marecic was drafted in the fourth round (124th overall) with a choice acquired from Atlanta. He started 45 of his 49 career games at Stanford University (2007-10). He opened 10 games (nine in 2010 and one in 2009) as a starter on both offense and defense with an additional 31 starts at fullback and four at linebacker. He totaled 67 rushing yards on 36 carries with nine touchdowns and 25 receptions for 258 yards and one touchdown in his career. He added 55 tackles, two sacks, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery and two interceptions on defense. Selected in the fifth round (137th overall), Skrine appeared in 42 games at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga (2007-10), including 30 starts. He totaled 155 career tackles and five interceptions, including a 46-yard return for a touchdown, which was the 11th longest return in school annals. Pinkston was drafted in the fifth round (150th overall) with a choice acquired from Minnesota. He opened 41 games at the University of Pittsburgh (2006, 2008-10), including 26 consecutive starts at left tackle to close his career. He blocked for a 1,000-yard back in each of his final three seasons. Selected in the seventh-round (248th overall), Hagg opened 34 of his 49 career games at the University of Nebraska (2007-10). He recorded 130 career tackles with four sacks, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and six interceptions. Hagg started all 14 games as a senior and was a unanimous All-Big 12 Conference first-team choice. OBR
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I think there is a legitimate 3rd way; to build through the draft and to use a judicious approach to FA. If there is a rare talent available at one of the key positions (QB, CB, DE, LT), and its an obvious upgrade for your team that you can afford cap-wise - you dive in. Asomugha might be a good example. How good would our secondary look with him and Haden out there? Its not just about taking the last step to the SB, its about getting better. In our case, it might have meant moving from "mediocre" up to "good". Next step would be "contender", and you'd be that much closer.
Agree 100% ... we have a few days left, hopefully now is when H&H pick up a few starters from the remaining FA pool.
Namdi and Haden would have been a formidable tandom for years. Nate Clements and Haden would be nothing to sneeze at either!
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Placed on Active/Non-Injury List...
Don't know,, perhaps it's a personal issue.. I guess we'll find out
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I think there is a legitimate 3rd way; to build through the draft and to use a judicious approach to FA. If there is a rare talent available at one of the key positions (QB, CB, DE, LT), and its an obvious upgrade for your team that you can afford cap-wise - you dive in. Asomugha might be a good example. How good would our secondary look with him and Haden out there?
I agree. IMO players like Asomugha who are legitimate top 5 at their position (and not a product of surrounding talent or system) are the only worthy FA candidates at any stage of your team's progress (including rebuilding). But unfortunately since we will can not secure any "hometown", "winning-team", "playoff-bound", or "big market team" discounts from anyone, overpaying for these type of players is our only option. You really have to consider the 2.5 mil or whatever it takes per year extra as poison for your team:
1) It adds up over time and could be enough to extend the contract of another key component or sign a mid first round pick.
2) Just like at any job, if someone on the team steps up and performs equally or greater than said player in your system, they'll want to be rewarded with an inflated contract as well.
3) If the player under performs while in brown and orange (e.g. Garcia, Bentley, Baxter, etc), you've screwed.
Bottom line: its safer, more cost-effective, and less risky to develop home grown talent in your system than to buy it in FA.
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I used to get real excited over UDFA's hoping we'd catch lightning in a bottle like we did with Cribbs.. But anymore,, I take a wait and see attitude.. No sense in investing too much in them.. Yet
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Looking at 2011 salary-cap figures
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Feb 73:00PM ETEmailPrintComments21By Pat YasinskasI just reached into the NFC South mailbag to start reading the post-Super Bowl notes. I’ll come back with some hot spots later this afternoon, but one note caught my attention because it’s worthy of an individual post.
Jonathan in Pleasant Grove, Utah, referred back to my Jan. 13 post in which I listed what each team has committed to the 2011 salary cap. He asked if I could provide numbers for the entire league. I’ll do that in a minute, but let me just clarify a couple of things. First off, some of the NFC South numbers are a bit different than they were Jan. 13 because teams have signed players to futures contracts.
As you all know, there’s a lot of uncertainty about the labor situation for 2011. These numbers don’t include what restricted free agents, exclusive-rights free agents or franchise players would count toward the cap because we don’t know that -- and won’t until there is a labor agreement in place. And, although we know there will be a 2011 draft no matter what, these numbers don’t include rookie salaries. The numbers below are only for players currently under contract for the 2011 season.
Also, we won’t know what the 2011 salary cap for all teams will be until there’s a deal in place. For reference, the salary cap in 2009, the last capped year was right about $130 million.
•Arizona $83 million
•Atlanta $102.1 million
•Baltimore $101.3 million
•Buffalo $96.4 million
•Carolina $73 million
•Chicago $104.9 million
•Cincinnati $90.7 million
•Cleveland $99.2 million
•Dallas $136.6 million
•Denver $125 million
•Detroit $113.8 million
•Green Bay $129.8 million
•Houston $118.4 million
•Indianapolis $115.5 million
•Jacksonville $78.1 million
•Kansas City $74.7 million
•Miami $103.1 million
•Minnesota $108.4 million
•New England $102.3 million
•New Orleans $105.2 million
•New York Giants $126.3 million
•New York Jets $128.5 million
•Oakland $85.8 million
•Philadelphia $80.8 million
•Pittsburgh $116 million
•San Diego $85.8 million
•San Francisco $100.9 million
•Seattle $81.1 million
•St. Louis $102.4 million
•Tampa Bay $59.7 million
•Tennessee $107.4 million
•Washington $115.2 million
Not sure how up to date this is, it looks like we don't have as much room as some reported earlier.... 
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Well, it's dated Feb 7th, 2011 so it can't be too up to date. We still had guys like Rogers and Delhomme under contract for instance.. That's a chunk of change with just them.
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Nate Clements and Haden would be nothing to sneeze at either!
Clements is terrible. No longer a good player and a huge disappointment in SF.
This is the problem with fans expectations of FA. There is nothing to be disappointed about not signing some of these guys. I think the only big name that made sense for us was Sydney Rice. Don't know if we made a play or not.
I really wouldn't get all worked up over FA. We'll be good if Colt is good. Pretty much bottom line for this season.
On a side note, here's what will surely be an unpopular opinion. I wouldn't mind bringing Edwards back.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think that Cromartie, Amendola (would look great in the slot for us), Whitner and Avril would look very good for us.
That could go a long way towards getting very good
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Cleveland Browns No. 1 pick Phil Taylor not yet in the fold as training camp opens
Published: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 9:58 AM Updated: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 10:02 AM
By Tony Grossi, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
BEREA -- The new NFL labor agreement was supposed to discourage rookie holdouts. Well, guess what? Browns No. 1 pick Phil Taylor officially is a holdout.
Taylor was the most prominent player missing when the Browns prepared to take the field this morning for their first practice of training camp.
Per terms of the new collective bargaining agreement, the first practice is not much more than a walkthrough in shorts and T-shirts. It is closed to the public. The first practice open to fans is Sunday at 8:45 a.m. Players won't be in full pads until Monday morning.
Taylor, a defensive tackle from Baylor, is the only Browns draft choice who did not agree to contract terms in time to avoid holdout status. The club announced all seven other picks were signed.
It also confirmed the signings of kicker Phil Dawson to his one-year franchise tender and tight end Evan Moore to his one-year tender.
The Browns also disclosed they signed free agent offensive lineman Billy Yates, and linebacker Marcus Benard and defensive lineman Brian Schaefering, who were exclusive rights free agents .
Yates, a guard and center, is the only unrestricted free agent of the Browns the team has re-signed. Defensive end Jayme Mitchell has agreed to terms of a two-year deal, but the Browns have not confirmed he technically has signed.
The Browns did confirm the signing of free agents Usama Young, a free safety formerly of New Orleans, and Brandon Jackson, a running back late of Green Bay.
The club also announced the signing of 21 undrafted free agents.
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here's what will surely be an unpopular opinion. I wouldn't mind bringing Edwards back.
I don't disagree, Edwards' stock went up a lot in my opinion when he followed through on his pledge to fund $1 million in college scholarships to local high school kids. He also played pretty well for the Jets. With Edwards the drops just go with the package. He still forces defenses to gameplan him, unlike any of our current WRs.
It'll never happen, though.
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Forget Edwards, give me Jones. Or Floyd.
you had a good run Hank.
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Oh yeah, I forgot the impact of all those contracts we released after I posted it. Not sure how much it all cleared in cap space.
Do you have an accurate accounting anywhere?
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On a side note, here's what will surely be an unpopular opinion. I wouldn't mind bringing Edwards back.
I was thinking the same thing.
Of course, it will never happen. But it does cause me to chuckle a little......
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On a side note, here's what will surely be an unpopular opinion. I wouldn't mind bringing Edwards back.
I was thinking the same thing.
Of course, it will never happen. But it does cause me to chuckle a little......
Not that I'm paddling in that boat with you but he did live up to promise for the 100 scholarships in Ohio. If this were to happen, it should ease his way back into the hearts of the locals.
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Clements is terrible. No longer a good player and a huge disappointment in SF.
Really?
I don't really follow SF, but remember Nate was highly regarded a few years back and don't recall any criticism of his game by the talking heads.
If he sucks that bad than I retrack my comment about him being a good acquisition.
Thanks for the update.
I do generally take FA with a grain of salt as you can surmise from my limited posting thus far. Though I would like to see us bring in highly regarded talent, as we need it, I just don't have the time/knowledge to follow the careers of those on the market to know whether or not they are still any good, thus I sit back and watch. I can only hope H&H have a few viable candidates on the radar as we have plenty of holes to fill.
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Oh yeah, I forgot the impact of all those contracts we released after I posted it. Not sure how much it all cleared in cap space.
Do you have an accurate accounting anywhere?
To tell the truth Sun,, I don't, I think I saw one that was accurate last Monday, but things have changed since then.. So, no, I don't have one. sorry
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www.KFFL.comBrowns | Mohamed Massaquoi in boot Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:56:55 -0700 Cleveland Browns WR Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) has a cast on his left foot/leg during the team's start of training camp.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Cleveland Browns WR Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) has a cast on his left foot/leg during the team's start of training camp.
well, that just sucks..
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Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:56:55 -0700
Cleveland Browns WR Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) has a cast on his left foot/leg during the team's start of training camp.
well, that just sucks..
Say it an't so, say it an't so man  The dreaded walking boot rears it's ugly head again.
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After looking over the FA's still left and our needs here are some of the players I'm interested in:
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Davin Joseph TB Would offer him a big deal
Justin Blalock AtL Wanted him in the draft
Carl Nicks NO (Restricted)
Mike Brisiel Hou (Restricted)
John Greco StL (Restricted)
Deuce Lutui Ari
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Ryan Harris Den
Sean Locklear SEA With Sea signing Gallery, could be had
Jammal Brown Wash
Charles Johnson Indy Would love to throw him at RT for the next 5 years
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Malcom Floyd SD Only WR I would offer a big deal to
Mark Clayton StL KNows Shurmurs system???
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Aubrayo Franklin SF
Alan Branch Ari
Daniel Muir Indy
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Cullen Jenkins GB
Cliff Avril Det (Restricted) Would offer a decent size contract to get him
Wallace Gilberry KC (Restricted)
Stylez G White TB
Marcus Thomas DEN
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Stephen Tulloch TEN Would almost offer him the starting job at MLB
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Brent Grimes AtL (Restricted) Would make top priority
Brandon Carr KC (Restricted)
Antonio Cromartie NyJ
Richard Marshall Car
Carlos Rogers Wash
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Dashon Goldson SF Sleeper S starter
I know H & H have said they wont be players in FA but we do have to fill some of these roster spots with NFL players, and spend real money to get to the cap floor. Why not spend a little on real players while some are still available, because when all of the good players are left and left with crap and have to spend your money, you get carp with crappy contracts.
The restricted players not sure what it would take to get some of them, but I think some deals can be made with some of the teams.
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Let's not forget in our rage against H&H that the can't MAKE a player sign here.
Does anyone KNOW that we didn't try to get people here?
We aren't going to be a big-name FA magnet for 2-3 more years. FAs don't want to go to places where they aren't going to win.
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I know H & H have said they wont be players in FA but we do have to fill some of these roster spots with NFL players,
We will sign some guys. They just don't want to overpay for guys that are nothing more than above-average NFL starters.
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because when all of the good players are left and left with crap and have to spend your money, you get carp with crappy contracts.
Or you get players who you like for reasonable contracts.
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Cleveland Browns WR Mohamed Massaquoi (foot) has a cast on his left foot/leg during the team's start of training camp.
I haven't been able to find any info on what he hurt or when... I know he was at Camp Colt IV and was fine... that wasn't that long ago... I'm hoping it's a lower ankle sprain...
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