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Right, but wouldn't you want your third stringer to at least have the potential to be at least average on the field?
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With the new rules in place in the kicking game. There less of a need for ST aces I think, because the majority will end up as touch backs.
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Yeah, but if memory serves me correctly, he only played because we were banged up at LB. Not sure what anyone expects from a guy that's made his bones being a ST Ace.
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I was just responding the people asking why Ventrone was on the 90 man roster and saying that there is something wrong if he makes the team. With Blake Costanzo and Nick Sorensen (the other 2 special teams aces from last year) now gone I would say that for sure Ventrone will make the team for special teams. I dont think any team wants their 3rd stringers playing regularly if they dont have to but they need those 3rd stringers to be able to contribute on special teams and Ventrone is one of the best in the league there.
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Will Burge from WKNR is at training camp and is on air now reporting that Reggie Hodges was carted off the field with an apparent leg injury.
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Well there goes our secret weapon...
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Yes, Ventrone plays very well on special teams, but I expect any player we put on the field to be able to compete. If they can't compete, they shouldn't be on the field. If they can't fill the role they're needed in, they shouldn't be on the roster. Ventrone certainly played well o. Special teams and I will give him his due there, but injuries are a part of football. You, as a coach, cannot put your team in a situation where you're matching up a 5'8" special teamer at the goal line with a 6'5" Pro Bowl TE. If that means someone else needs that roster spot, then so be it. You can't give away touchdowns for added special teams coverage and blocking. It's ridiculous.
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If they can't fill the role they're needed in, they shouldn't be on the roster.
His role, ST ace... he fits it quite perfectly...
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let's not get upset until we find out if it's a real injury. he might have just wanted to get a massage instead of standing outside in the heat 
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Clearly his role was also backup safety. He was not even competitive. If you're on the field, you have a role on the field. He was asked to play backup safety because he was who the coach selected to be on the roster. Yes we had some secondary injuries going into the game, but you have to be able to fill the role you're asked to do.
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special teams and Ventrone is one of the best in the league there.
On that we can agree, but if there is a player whom is a better position player.
Then I could see us keeping him over Ventrone.
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Clearly his role was also backup safety. He was not even competitive. If you're on the field, you have a role on the field. He was asked to play backup safety because he was who the coach selected to be on the roster. Yes we had some secondary injuries going into the game, but you have to be able to fill the role you're asked to do.
I think you are overstating how bad he is as a thrid string safety and understating how important special teams is. A team that doesnt have a great offense or great defense really needs to rely on field possition. Giving an average offense a shorter field or not giving an average defense a short field to defend could be the difference in a game. And your assumption that any old thrid stringer could step in there and be a great special teams player is not true at all.
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I'm not assuming any third string player could be a great special teams player. If you read my post above the one you quoted I said he is a very good special teams contributor, but if he is expected to cover tight ends in red zone situations again then we are in trouble.
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Yes, Ventrone plays very well on special teams, but I expect any player we put on the field to be able to compete. If they can't compete, they shouldn't be on the field. If they can't fill the role they're needed in, they shouldn't be on the roster. Ventrone certainly played well o. Special teams and I will give him his due there, but injuries are a part of football. You, as a coach, cannot put your team in a situation where you're matching up a 5'8" special teamer at the goal line with a 6'5" Pro Bowl TE. If that means someone else needs that roster spot, then so be it. You can't give away touchdowns for added special teams coverage and blocking. It's ridiculous.
it's done all the time by all teams,, every team has someone on it that isn't up to par to be a full time starter, but has a place on the team because of certain skills..
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I'm not talking about a full-time starter, I'm talking about someone who's such a liability the other team can look and say "Oh,we're definitely throwing at that guy if we get inside the 20."
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it's done all the time by all teams,, every team has someone on it that isn't up to par to be a full time starter, but has a place on the team because of certain skills..
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Aug. 02, 2011 12:18 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty on sidelines again as a precaution
RB Montario Hardesty, who missed last season with a knee injury, was held out from practice for the second-straight day for what coach Pat Shurmur called precautionary reasons. Browns RapidReports
It sounds like we are going to ease Hardesty back real slowly.
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Aug. 02, 2011 12:18 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty on sidelines again as a precaution
RB Montario Hardesty, who missed last season with a knee injury, was held out from practice for the second-straight day for what coach Pat Shurmur called precautionary reasons. Browns RapidReports
It sounds like we are going to ease Hardesty back real slowly.
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BEREA -- Observations from Day 4 at Browns training camp ... * Hate to see any player go down without being touched because it usually means a serious injury. Punter Reggie Hodges accepted a snap, planted his left leg and fell to the ground, crumpled in pain. Hope it's not a season-ender. Hodges punted for five teams in four seasons before having an outstanding year for the Browns in 2011 and earning his first-ever multi-year contract. Best of wishes as his injury is evaluated. * Don't look for local product and former Browns punter Dave Zastudil to be an immediate replacement. Zastudil recently re-injured an oblique muscle injury trying out for the Houston Texans. * By the way, Hodges' injury will require a new holder on place-kicks. He was very good at it. Backup quarterbacks are usually next in line after punters on holding detail. * Was a little disconcerting to see running back Montario Hardesty held out of full pad practice for the second day in a row. Coach Pat Shurmur insists it's just precaution. Hardesty missed the first goal-line and short-yardage drills of the camp, which are usually the hardest-hitting drills. At least Hardesty is not behind closed doors of the trainer's room doing super-secret rehab, like last summer. He's out there watching. * Rookie cornerback Buster Skrine had a short pick-six of Colt McCoy. Shurmur later said there was miscommunication. * There were a few dropped passes as receivers looked a little tired in the second day of full pad practices. Rookie Greg Little had one on a short throw. Unfortunately for him, it occurred very close to the fans and the resultant "ugh" from the crowd filled the air. * Besides Skrine, DeAngelo Smith and D'Qwell Jackson had interceptions. * Rookie defensive end Jabaal Sheard left practice early with a hamstring injury. * The holdup with rookie No. 1 pick Phil Taylor is over guaranteeing the full four years of his contract. All the done deals in the top 20 have been fully guaranteed. Taylor, at No. 21, wants the same and the Browns are resisting right now. link
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This is strange. I can see giving him a day off here and there - or even every other day for precaution's sake. But 2 days in a row for a guy who is supposedly healthy and easing in? I dunno.
I've said this before, I think if you are counting on this guy to be a workhorse, you're nuts. I would be happily shocked if this guy makes it through preseason.
I really hope I'm wrong.
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Hardesty missed the first goal-line and short-yardage drills of the camp, which are usually the hardest-hitting drills.
This I think explains why he was out today.
If he is still out tomorrow, then I could be concerned.
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Aug. 02, 2011 12:18 p.m. - by Marty Gitlin - RB Hardesty on sidelines again as a precaution
RB Montario Hardesty, who missed last season with a knee injury, was held out from practice for the second-straight day for what coach Pat Shurmur called precautionary reasons. Browns RapidReports
It sounds like we are going to ease Hardesty back real slowly.
that is exactly what Shurmur said in yesterdays presser..
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Sheard is out with a hamstring, ( those are always hard to determine when they are healed) ,
and Hodges is probably done for the season .
2 , in 1/2 day of practice, I know this is injury season but just one year would it not have to be that the Browns start out with 16-25 injured players?
Seriously ? does any other team in the NFL have this track record?
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There's been no report as to the severity of Sheard though correct? I wouldn;t worry too much about that. Pulled muscle isn't a huge deal.
Losing Hodges does suck but really, he's the punter. Other teams will lose people that are far harder to replace by the end of training camp.
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Please. No one name a player that would be worse to lose right now.
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Uh.. Joe Thomas comes to mind...
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There's been no report as to the severity of Sheard though correct? I wouldn;t worry too much about that. Pulled muscle isn't a huge deal.
Losing Hodges does suck but really, he's the punter. Other teams will lose people that are far harder to replace by the end of training camp.
Pulled muscles are no problem except they are easy to tweek and take a long time to heal.
As for Hodges, he kept us in games more than any other player last year. This is big.
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Agreed.
He was about as good as you get last year.
Really bummed about this.
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As for Hodges, he kept us in games more than any other player last year. This is big.
I concur. A punter who can pin a team deep and give them the 'long field' is as good as a LB who can stuff a short yardage play on 3rd down.
Some what unappreciated I think by most fans.
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I don;t think I'm as clear as I should I have been. I'm certainly not saying that punters aren't important. They absolutely are. However, what I'm saying is that its alot easier to find a good punter via waiver wire/free agency.
After all, that's where we picked Hodges up from and who had really heard of him before that?
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It's easier to find a punter on the waiver wire, yes, but tougher to find a good one.
I'm seeing conflicting information, but Pittsburgh is either carrying two punters, or Daniel Sepulveda is available. He's injury prone but he's probably the best option if available.
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