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Just a little curious what others think. I've been addicted to strange shows about these topics lately. Possibly just too much time on my hands!

What do you believe in the possibility of... check all that apply.
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Time travel is possible and not too far fetched. If we could approach the speed of light in a space craft, it's possible to see deep into the future on the return trip back to earth. Even without waiting on traveling at the speed of light, it's all about relativity. Heck, isn't that one cosmonaut that spent the most time in space 3 seconds in the future? So in that respect, probably.

Heck, I'd like to start a whole threadsworth of discussion on what time even is. It's really a tough subject to define.


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Heck, I'd like to start a whole threads worth of discussion on what time even is. It's really a tough subject to define.




I know that when I read your posts, time seems to stand still, so, yeah, time travel might be possible.


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Heck, I'd like to start a whole threadsworth of discussion on what time even is. It's really a tough subject to define.




Did you see the Stephen Hawking TV show on time travel?

Crazy.



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Heck, I'd like to start a whole threadsworth of discussion on what time even is. It's really a tough subject to define.




Did you see the Stephen Hawking TV show on time travel?

Crazy.




Yes, it was quite good. The newest one was that "Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman" show. They did a whole hour on Time and if it even exists. Gravity is a tough concept, but I can kinda grasp it a bit. But Time? Goodness, it could drive the smartest of men insane.

And yes bsf79, my posts are so good they can stop time.


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Do you remember the name or channel it was on? I have a hard time believing in that, probably bc I don't understand the theories behind it very well.

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I believe in the possibility of anything. The likelihood of things is another matter.


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It was called "Stephen Hawking's Univerise" I believe.



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I don't know if I believe in any of this stuff. I probably believe in Aliens/UFO's the most only because it'd be pretty ignorant to think that in this giant universe, we're the only living beings.

Ghosts? I don't know. I love watching Ghost Hunters on syfy, but I always take all their evidence with a grain of salt, just as they pretty much ask you to do. It's not forced. It's pretty much the attitude of "hey we went into this building used our equipment, and here's what we found"

I've never seen a ghost, never thought I had seen a ghost. I've never seen an alien or spacecraft, but I do believe that they exist and sure maybe they've visited.

I have a hard time believing in time travel, only because of the way I see things. Like I just typed out this post. How could I possibly go back to that moment?

I won't say that I shoot any of those options down as not being real/possible, but I just don't know if I can truly put 100% belief into them.

I gotta say no on the magic spells though. I'm a Cleveland fan and I don't even believe in curses.

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Aliens
Little green men? I dunno, but like somebody said, we can't be the ONLY ones out here can me? Even if there's a planet full of dogs...

Ghosts
No.

ESP or psychic abilities
I can never take a psychic seriously...

Past lives and reincarnation
No.

Time travel
If it were possible, somebody would have come back in time already...

Robots taking over the world
I heard they're working on the Skynet Beta program...

Half man/ half beast creatures
Yes. Peyton Hillis.

Magic spells and curses
Only against teams I root for...


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I should have made an option for "none of the above". Sorry, didn't cross my mind until it was too late.

Personally, I believe 100% in the first four. The others are 50/50. Except for the robot thing... total crap imo.

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I tried to click submit without checking a box...

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Aliens... Probably. It's hard for me to believe that in the vastness of the universe that we are the only little rock with life on it.

Ghosts - No. (Angels yes.. go figure. )

ESP or psychic abilities - Given the small amount of our brain that we actually use, I think this might be possible if we could figure out how to turn the rest of it on.

Past lives and reincarnation - No.

Time travel - No.

Robots taking over the world - This is man made so it will get as bad as we let it get. And I try never to underestimate how badly man can screw things up.

Half man/ half beast creatures - With DNA and genetic research, we could probably make one, but does one exist in nature? No.

Magic spells and curses - No. (But I believe in the power of prayer, so again... go figure. )


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ESP or psychic abilities - Given the small amount of our brain that we actually use, I think this might be possible if we could figure out how to turn the rest of it on.





That's my thinking on this.

I believe in it, because think about all the things the "normal" brain is capable of.

They say we only use 10% of our brain.

I believe there's people out there who might be able to use 12-13, whatever percent of their brain.

I think that can make these things possible.



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I know it's possible that time advances when travelling at the speed of light. Would communication technology work to the point of being able to communicate from the future?


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How does it advance to something that hasn't happened yet?


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Aliens - Not that are visiting us.

Ghosts - No. Now when my ex-wife dies, maybe.

ESP or psychic abilities - I don't have it, therefore it doesn't exist.

Past lives and reincarnation - I used to be, well, nobody in particular, just like now.

Time travel - Certainly not in my lifetime, so this is a no.

Robots taking over the world - We can only hope.

Half man/ half beast creatures - I could throw in another ex-wife crack I suppose. Otherwise, no.

Magic spells and curses - No, otherwise the steelers would have pin pricks all over their bodies.


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Let's see .....

Aliens? Well, if the universe is half as vast as it is supposed to be ... and we are the only life in it, that would be quite an incredible waste of creative energy. The universe doesn't seem to waste energy like that. If there is life out there. it may not even be in a form we recognize, or can comprehend. I do believe tat there is life out there somewhere.

Ghosts? Yep. I don't believe that they hang around forever, but I do believe that a spirit takes a "farewell tour" to say goodbye to its former life.

ESP? I believe this one because I believe in energy.

Thought waves are energy. We are, at our most basic level, energy. Everything is, at its most basic level, energy. Eyes convery light energy into visual sense. Ears convert sound waves (energy) into auditory sense. We perceive heat and cool based on the speed of the atoms (energy) in the object in question. Since everything is energy, why is it so hard to believe that people could have a sense of what is going on around them without direct sensory contact via the generally accepted 5 senses?

Past lives/ Reincarnation? Nope. I believe that once we leave this life we become something entirely different ...... a non corporeal being, without less and less concern for the physical world once we pass over.

Time travel? I dunno. I am not sure that such a thing could occur without the structure of time itself falling apart. Even the most careful of time travelers would cause some disruption somewhere. If we accept the butterfly effect, then a human time traveler would have a far greater impact even if he never directly interacted with anyone.

Half man/ Half beast creature? Besides GM? No I don;t believe in such things.

Magic spells/curses? Words have power. Specific phraseology and or rhythms could affect energy, and energy can impact what we perceive as the physical world. Do I think that they can destroy the world, or change one thing into another? Not really ..... but I do think that it is, at least, conceivable that the energy of a chant or "spell" could have some impact on the physical world.


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I don't believe in aliens.

I didn't want to believe in ghosts/spirits - but 3 incidents have convinced me I should - and do.

ESP - maybe.

The rest of the choices? No, I don't believe in them.

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ESP/psychic abilities.
That is all I believe in on that list.


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How does it advance to something that hasn't happened yet?




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Kinda interesting how widely some beliefs are held. I favor the first 4; interesting if this is based on any experiences. Have been fascinated my whole life with the UFO and related phenomena.


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I know it's possible that time advances when travelling at the speed of light. Would communication technology work to the point of being able to communicate from the future?




Well, it's not really just about light speed, it's about all speeds and if you're near an area of spacetime that is warped by a planet or star. The closer you are to the center of earth, the slower time goes for you. While in outer space, far from a huge mass, time is faster. And then when you add speeds to the mix, it makes it a bit more complex.

I know everyone has heard this one already.....but if I got on a spaceship and traveled at light speed for 6 months in one direction and 6 months back...it wouldn't be 8/3/2011 when I returned to earth. It would be 8/3/2021. I was gone 1 year but 10 years passed for everyone here.

To me, that's time traveling.


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Can someone physical withstand lightspeed?


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but if I got on a spaceship and traveled at light speed for 6 months in one direction and 6 months back...it wouldn't be 8/3/2011 when I returned to earth.



Right, it would be 8/3/2012 if you went 6 months in one direction and 6 months back.

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It would be 8/3/2021. I was gone 1 year but 10 years passed for everyone here.



How has this been proven?


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To me, that's time traveling.




Because that is time traveling. People have already done it, people living on the international space station have jumped a fraction of a second into the future.


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Because that is time traveling. People have already done it, people living on the international space station have jumped a fraction of a second into the future.



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Time moves slower among objects moving at faster speeds, relative to a statiionary/slower moving object.


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Is that relative to people staying in space for a long periond of time and not aging at the same rate they would on earth...? I don't qualify that as "time travel" per say...I dunno...


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It would be 8/3/2021. I was gone 1 year but 10 years passed for everyone here.



How has this been proven?




Yes. General Theory of Relativity.

Proven many, many places but here are two examples:

1. Two atomic clocks are set next to each other that are in perfect sync. One is raised one foot higher than the other. The higher one starts going faster because its further away from the earth's core. This can be checked because atomic clocks are accurate out to the 16th or 20th decimal place.

2. GPS satellites. Your GPS unit can calculate your position on the earth within a few feet based on the time differences between you and three GPS satellites. This is done by using the time sent out by each satellite. Well, the only way this works is if the time on each GPS is corrected to how far it's from the earth's core. The length of a second up in orbit on one of those satellites is different than the second of you standing on the 50-yard line of CBS. As strange as that sounds, it's 100% right.

Here's the deal, gravity isn't a force. The mass of the earth actually bends "spacetime" (they really are one thing - not two separate things). Space and time are malleable. And we ride on the curves and bends of space...which we perceive as the pulling effect of gravity. But in reality, spacetime is pushing us down towards the earth. And the earth is riding the spacetime wave off the sun.

Here's the biggest whammy....space, time, cars, apples and people are the only things affected by this curvature of space...so it light. Light can be bent while traveling through a warping of space (that was the first proof Einsteins theory wasn't sci-fi...but sci-fact).

That's the theory of General Relativity. That's why time travel is possible.


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i thought that was the flux capacitor.

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Just wow. Makes me brain throb. Props to the presenter. So what did they up or down in Star Trek, and did it make use of or ignore or function in spite of spacetime considerations you mention. Thanks. And just wow again.


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That's the theory of General Relativity. That's why time travel is possible.




That's not really time travel though ... that's time-stretching. Time travel would be the ability to completely skip through time without aging at all in the process, or better yet, being able to jump backwards in time. When people talk about relativity and time-travel, it's about slowing down their own relative time, so that everything else ages quicker.

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Yes, it's not true time travel as we see in movies or read in books. We won't be able to go back in time to prove Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter using GR.

Though, there are a few people way smater than me that believe it's possible. If you can agree that space doesn't disappear, that it's always here, and we know space & time are the same thing....then we can assume that all of history is still here too. That it's stored somewhere.

Maybe it's stored on a beam of light....if we could only travel far enough out to pass the light that captured what happened the day JFK got shot, maybe it's possible to use capture it and decode it. Of course, we can't travel at the speed of light or even faster than light...so it's only a thought experiment.

I'm no expert at this and I would argue I don't even know it well enough to explain it to a 6-year old (one of Albert's famous quotes)....but I try reading as much as my mind can understand on the subject. And it's not much.


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